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Ironhead

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What a night for Kessel. Scores three with an assist. He was hot tonight, something to watch when he is going. His best play may have been the pass.
Kadri with a beauty assist and an empty netter. The pass while off balance from behind the net to Lupul and into the net. That goal coming a minute and a half after Kessel's first really got the Leafs going.
You just knew at that moment that it would turn out good for Blue. That 90 seconds put the Sens on their heels, they really looked like they lost confidence.

Ga-damn every time I see Gleason I appreciate him more.




Go Leafs !
 

Ironhead

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Congratulations to the Leafs they were the better team tonight.

I wonder if Karlsson isn't healthy because he was a non factor in the game. That's something we Sens fans rarely see.

Kessel is just on fire right now. He and Bozak have some awesome chemistry.
Agree about Karlsson being a non factor. Was wondering the exact same thing ... what is wrong with the kid ?
 

The Oracle

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Agree about Karlsson being a non factor. Was wondering the exact same thing ... what is wrong with the kid ?
It's hard to say exactly, He didn't play badly. But he wasn't free wheeling like he usually does.

The Sens did take a lot of penalties early which kept him off the ice. Maybe he just couldn't find his rhythm tonight.

Or maybe we should giving the Leafs credit for nullifying his game.
 

Ironhead

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It's hard to say exactly, He didn't play badly. But he wasn't free wheeling like he usually does.

The Sens did take a lot of penalties early which kept him off the ice. Maybe he just couldn't find his rhythm tonight.

Or maybe we should giving the Leafs credit for nullifying his game.
To me he just did not look right. I missed the first period, did he get hit or throw an hit, maybe something awkward happened.
Something about his skating/legs ... maybe something happened in a recent game ?


PS I guess it could be as simple as an off night.
 

blackrock13

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I'd love to hear the Kessel bashers explain their opinions now; second in goal scoring in the NHL, top 6 in total scoring, and the 5th 30 goals season in 6 seasons. I'd say the trade has worked out just fine.
 

saxon

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I'd love to hear the Kessel bashers explain their opinions now; second in goal scoring in the NHL, top 6 in total scoring, and the 5th 30 goals season in 6 seasons. I'd say the trade has worked out just fine.
we will see at the end of the season. The ultimate goal is to win the cup. Only one team can win and for the other 29 teams the year will have been a total loss. I don't think the leafs are quite good enough to go all the way. Doesn't matter if Kessel scored 100 goals this year, if they don't win the cup then all those goals don't mean shit.
 

Ironhead

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The Kadri hit.
I heard Carlyle say he thought it was more from the side. If you stop the video at 40 second mark, you may understand why he says that.
I thought at the time he would/should get a penalty. Referees missed it, so I thought a suspension is coming upon further review by the NHL.
Now as I look at the video I hesitate ... it may have been from the side. In the end I think he may get two or three games because it was a dangerous hit(at least the way Ceci goes into the boards), but he is a repeat offender.

 

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The objective in acquiring Kessel was to get the Leafs into playoff contention sooner rather than later. For the Bruins, success is winning the Cup. For the Leafs, success is making the playoffs.
 

shack

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we will see at the end of the season. The ultimate goal is to win the cup. Only one team can win and for the other 29 teams the year will have been a total loss. I don't think the leafs are quite good enough to go all the way. Doesn't matter if Kessel scored 100 goals this year, if they don't win the cup then all those goals don't mean shit.
Placing so much emphasis on winning a Cup is stupid.

That sword cuts both ways. If Colton Orr wins a cup and John Tavares never does, then Orr will have had a better career.
 

saxon

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Placing so much emphasis on winning a Cup is stupid.

That sword cuts both ways. If Colton Orr wins a cup and John Tavares never does, then Orr will have had a better career.
Ask Kessel if he would trade all those goals for a ring. How can you say placing a lot of emphasis on a cup is stupid? It's what every team strives for and it's what every player is in the game for.
 

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I agree with you. When the hit first happened, I saw red because one, I thought the goal seconds later would be disallowed and two, I initially expected a match penalty/suspension. Kadri is a brialliant player when he wants to and vital to the team/keeping balanced lines.

Now I've read that Ceci later joked with he team about purposely turning into the hit to draw a penalty. I'm unsure if such a thing could be true, but can't begin to fathom how insane/dangerous that would be if true.
That's like jumping in front of a bus, to get the attention of a girl. Seems more guys are turning their backs last minute instead of turning towards an oncoming player. I'd think you might want to see the hit coming.

But after seeing it again, it was more from the side, and see why the refs wouldn't have called it. When a player is coming into check around the board, how can you stop mid flight if a guy turns last min? Ceci was not battling for the puck, there was no reason to show Kadri the numbers last second, and again, its a dangerous trend to draw a penalty.

I certainly hope no action is taken on Kadri. With Bolland close, and now Holland out for however long, things are currently clicking well. Kadri needs to continue to play hard in games, but will be seen as a repeat offended so has to be careful of stuff like last night.
I also have to wonder on that play, how Smith avoided a 2min roughing for throwing about 2-3 good punched to Kadri? Refs can't say they 'owed' the Sens, and you have to police the game at some level or things will really blow wide open.

I think the Panthers and Sens wins will come back to be a huge positive at the end of the season for Toronto. The team has sometimes let points slip away which hurts. But to twice bounce back from 0-2 in a game to get wins really is something special.
But lets not keep spotting other teams 2 goals pls..lol
totally disagree on the 'brilliant player', quote. every big hit he hands out, its either from behind, or very close, and he never, ever, stands up for himself. I said it before with him, you keep dishing out that crap.... you will pay the price... sooner or later. he,s a 'show up every once in a while player', nothing more.
 

blackrock13

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we will see at the end of the season. The ultimate goal is to win the cup. Only one team can win and for the other 29 teams the year will have been a total loss. I don't think the leafs are quite good enough to go all the way. Doesn't matter if Kessel scored 100 goals this year, if they don't win the cup then all those goals don't mean shit.
The ultimate 'realistic' goal is to improve over last years record. They are a better team.in chemistry and depth. Right now the Leafs are the best of the middle of the pack in the east, but not by much. Remember the Kings, one year they were eighth seed in the west playoff ladder, and what did they do? It doesn't happen often, but it can be done.
 

saxon

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The ultimate 'realistic' goal is to improve over last years record. They are a better team.in chemistry and depth. Right now the Leafs are the best of the middle of the pack in the east, but not by much. Remember the Kings, one year they were eighth seed in the west playoff ladder, and what did they do? It doesn't happen often, but it can be done.
True. The problem I see with the leafs is they rely too much on the 1st line for much of their offence. If Kessels line gets shut down for awhile the leafs will struggle. You can't win a playoff series relying on 1 line for all your offence.
 

blackrock13

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True. The problem I see with the leafs is they rely too much on the 1st line for much of their offence. If Kessels line gets shut down for awhile the leafs will struggle. You can't win a playoff series relying on 1 line for all your offence.
Their first line arguably ranks in the top five or six in the league right now, so of course it's going to dominate the team stats, but their second one is no slouch. Very few team have three top lines, Boston may be one of them and look where they are in the conference.
 

shack

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Ask Kessel if he would trade all those goals for a ring. How can you say placing a lot of emphasis on a cup is stupid? It's what every team strives for and it's what every player is in the game for.
But it is not the only parameter.

Making MVP.
Making HOF.
Scoring titles.
All-Star games/nominations...

...and other factors all go towards defining a career. Even if one is more important than any other, no one is more important than all the others combined.
 

saxon

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But it is not the only parameter.

Making MVP.
Making HOF.
Scoring titles.
All-Star games/nominations...

...and other factors all go towards defining a career. Even if one is more important than any other, no one is more important than all the others combined.
I would have to disagree on that. Almost every player in pro sports would gladly trade a personal milestone for a championship. Pro's at this level are in it because they love the game and they want to win. Why do you think all the elite players want to go to the Olympics instead of just taking the two weeks off and resting for the playoff run, not to mention the risk of injury. They go because they want to win, it's the reason why they are Pro's.
 

shack

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I would have to disagree on that. Almost every player in pro sports would gladly trade a personal milestone for a championship. Pro's at this level are in it because they love the game and they want to win. Why do you think all the elite players want to go to the Olympics instead of just taking the two weeks off and resting for the playoff run, not to mention the risk of injury. They go because they want to win, it's the reason why they are Pro's.
I guess Trent Dilfer had a better career than Dan Marino.
 

shack

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I wouldn't say that,
So sometimes a super bowl trumps a career and sometimes it doesn't.

And what is the formula that one can apply so that it is clear cut and there is no confusion because frankly, at this point, it seems rather arbitrary.

Terry Bradshaw has 4 rings, Elway only 2.
Forget Dilfer and his 1 SB. Roethlisberger, Jim Plunkett, Eli Manning all have 2 to Marino's 0. Do you place them ahead of Marino for all time greats?
 
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