In high risk medical procedures the medical profession wants the best results possible. Especially justifiable when there is a huge shortage of supply [ doners and organs]
Toronto hospital network to require organ transplant patients to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19
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Pretty sure not being vaxxed for Hep was a reason to deny getting a liver although that may have changed.
In general, it is hard to develop new antibodies on immunosuppressants. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of protocol for short-term stoppage of the immunosuppression to allow for vaccination, though.
If so, not being vaxxed for COVID-19 wouldn't be a justifiable reason at all, I would think. (Unless of course if COVID-19 if a transplant recipient is vastly more dangerous.)
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So before you weren’t a donor, and now that they’ve decided to discriminate, you’re onboard?
I’ve been an organ donor for 20+ years, and I opted out to protest this discrimination, and when it’s corrected, I’ll opt back in.
And you’re the good people
That is fantastic!
Let's go over your Covid accomplishments
1) haven't contracted COVD yet......YAY
2) are not welcomed in most restaurants in Ontario.....YAY
3) are not welcomed at live indoor sporting events....YAY
4)are not welcomed at the airport.....YAY
5)are not welcomed in all countries.....YAY
6) in the event tragedy strikes and you are in need of a transplant, guess what, you kind of lose and I won't cheer because I'm a nice guy
7) if the tragic event results in your demise and you meet God at the pearly gates you can ask him
"God, why haven't you helped us with this pandemic"
GOD- I did dumbass, I gave you a vaccine!
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Well then you will be happy as one of the 15% who will be standing right? LMFAO, I'll refrain from calling you a dumbass because it doesn't quite illustrate the severity of your illness.
If anyone ever wanted the definitive evidence that shows whether CM and his cadre of fools are primarily driven by pro-social or anti-social inclinations, look no further.
Do smokers not sign donor cards because of their ineligibility as a recipient?
What about alcoholics or the obese?
Do well-adjusted, cognitively normal people go out of their way to remove themselves from a donor list when they find out they no-longer fit the extensive criteria thar might make one a hypothetically potential recipient?
The answer is, not unless they’re also selfish, unethical, anti-social to the point of sociopathy, idiot, losers.
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If everybody thought like you, we would all be worse off, even without contracting Covid-19.
Most people are not taking the vaccine because they are at high risk of a bad outcome.
Even with this highly successful mass vaccination, the loss of lives and livelihoods is devastating and the costs staggering.
If interest rates ever return to anywhere remotely normal, we are fucked.
Take the shot orI refuse to support and participate in a discriminatory enterprise. “Take the shot or else” is what all you “good people” are saying.
Listen to yourselves
no indoor dining,
no live sporting events, cinemas or concerts,
no-flying within Canada by Oct 30th if not vaxxed
no working in certain jobs
and slowly but the surly medical procedures will start to become a problem for nonvaxxed
these mandates are not brought to you by fellow Terb members so no need to listen to ourselves, it is you that needs to listen to common sense but as we know, that not happening.
The federal government's requirement for proof of vaccination to travel domestically starts Oct. 30. This week, the federal government announced that as of Oct. 30, all travelers boarding a plane, train or marine vessel in Canada will need proof of full vaccination against COVID-19
I feel like the analogy of ‘putting new tires on a car without working brakes’ works here.
The vaccines reduce the likelihood of severe outcomes of COVID that would require ICU treatment by over 90%.
Recent transplant patients are extremely unlikely to survive the medical interventions necessary to treat severe reactions to the virus, which is considered a virtual medical inevitability for those without a functional autoimmune system.
This is why relatively recent organ and tissue transplant recipients were considered among the highest priority for vaccination during the roll out.
None of this is news.
“Survivability” is THE most foundational factor in decisions around receiving life-sustaining tissues or an organ, and always has been.
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I’m spending the afternoon and evening with an adult family member and his children that received a heart when he was a child.I refuse to support and participate in a discriminatory enterprise. “Take the shot or else” is what all you “good people” are saying.
Listen to yourselves
I’m spending the afternoon and evening with an otherwise healthy family member in her 40’s that is waiting for a kidney that will likely never come because of her rare blood condition. She is on dialysis and this is likely the final Thanksgiving her 3 kids and our extended family will get to spend with her.
Listen to yourself.
You are choosing, and seemingly promoting your decision to not ‘give the gift of life’ as a political statement against another perceived persecution against a choice you’ve decided to make.
Antivaxxers aren’t getting tissues and organs because they are VERY unlikely to survive the interventions needed to treat them if they were to have received the transplant and then contract COVID.
Not only do you not have a functional natural immune system after that kind of procedure and would therefore be among the most likely in society to require ICU interventions if one were to contract COVID, but your chances of encountering COVID skyrocket during the prolonged before during and after surgery hospital care a recipient typically requires.
This is well-known amongst the community of patients awaiting a transplant, or those who have received transplants which is why they were the highest priority for vaccination.
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This isn’t persecution. It’s how medicine works when supply is below demand.
It says something to me that even in death you’re unwilling to help people.
Shame on you.
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ALL people SHOULD have a FREEDOM OF CHOICE when it comes to injecting foreign objects into one's body or donating THEIR organs.
Seems like some people have a hard time understanding that.
They do have choice.
BUT poor choices have consequences.
Or do you feel someone that has chosen to continue to be an alcoholic should be a priority recipient for a new liver? What about the priority that an active smoker should have vs. non-smokers for lungs? And the morbidly obese. Should they be at the front or back of the line for a new heart?
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And while it may be the first of its kind in Canada, the requirement has already stirred up a life or death debate in the U.S.
Colorado woman Leilani Lutali, a born-again Christian with stage 5 kidney disease, was denied a life-saving kidney transplant because she says she cannot agree to be vaccinated on religious grounds.
Lutali, who had lined up her own donor, says both she and the donor were removed from the transplant list.
“It feels a little bit like my transplant is being held hostage and there's only one decision that I'm being left with,” she told CTV National News.
So what is the Born again edict on organ transplants? What line was just crossed in her mind?
Everyone has the right to decide whether to donate organs or not, however having once decided to donate and then withdrawing consent because of the vaccine mandate, completely defies logic. Punish potential recipients because you disagree with the vaccine requirement? Protest some other way.
