Today is the day and it has started! Ontario vaccine Passports
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I think there is a difference between a true vaccine and a shot. A true vaccine to me is one that totally prevents the illness. A shot alleviates symptoms.
I get it is all a vaccine but I think there is a clear difference so calling them separate things like vaccine and shot is not a bad thing.
and I understand that parts of this vaccine have been worked on for years. I’m not denying that but it is still not this specific vaccine for this specific virus. It was parts of it. Not the whole.
That is just something you made up, though.
Scientifically, there is no difference.
That you want to distinguish them with different words is fine, but there is no reason for anyone else to use your idiosyncratic naming.
Fine, just remember that "is was made too fast" is being used in bad faith so when you use that argument people are going to push back against it since the point of the narrative is to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
But abortion and contraception are not bad for society, not getting vaxxed IS bad for society. That's the problem w your analogy.
And not just "loonie lefties" want vaxx passports. All responsible govts are now seeking them.
I read an article about 5 months ago on SARS and its relationship to SARS COV-2.
They started research during the SARS outbreak in 2002 and kept working on it because they knew there would eventually be another coronavirus outbreak someday.
I couldn't find the exact article I read but I did find this one where researchers traced the money for funding back to 2002.
https://www.theguardian.com/science...covid-vaccine-research-was-97-publicly-funded
" Using two different methods of inquiry, researchers were able to identify the source of hundreds of millions of pounds of research grants from the year 2002 onwards for published work on what would eventually become the novel technology that underpins the jab, as well as funding for the final product."
" To cast the widest possible net, the researchers first identified every relevant piece of published research since 2002 into the adenovirus vector technology employed by the vaccine, extracting the names of the sources mentioned in their funding declarations."
Sorry for the rushed response but I am heading to my hunting camp tonight.
You really should read your reference material.
It is not 100% effective. There were still breakthrough infections, same as covid vaccines.
- In post-licensure studies, 2 doses of vaccine were—
- 88% to 98% effective at preventing all varicella
Then there can't be any vaccines by your definition since there are no vaccines that totally prevent illness.
https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/efficiency-effectiveness
" No vaccine is 100% effective, a small percentage of people are not protected after vaccination and for others the protection may wane over time."
I know you are fully vaccinated and support getting the vaccine but I disagree completely with your thinking in this thread.
In reality, it has become the most ever tested vaccine in history considering how many have been vaxxed.
One more note, they miscalculated the myocarditis and pericarditis. In reality, it is safer than originally thought for the youngins!
Study claiming 1 in 1,000 risk of heart inflammation after COVID vaccine got calculation wrong
The study authors have requested the paper be retracted because the incorrect data 'vastly inflates the incidence of post-vaccine myocarditis'
nationalpost.com
I'd say it's an excuse to justify their preconceptions. mRNA vaccines have been tested for years and one of the beauties of the technology is that the specific makeup of the spike protein are essentially irrelevant to the safety as the stabilizing and activating ingredients would still be the same for whatever specific virus they are targeting.
But understanding that would require people to actually examine the details and accept that scientists are not involved in some kind of world conspiracy.
Because it is a vaccine, just like the flu vaccine. A vaccine is specifically something used to stimulate the immune system to fight a specific virus.
People may call the flu vaccine a shot and call the covid vaccine the jab but a rose by any other name....
p.s. D has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. No vaccine provides 100% protection.
To go further, forcing women to carry unwanted children to term is also bad for society.
The "bad for society" does not matter as long as it is not imminent danger (i.e., a bomb). You can argue that abortions and contraceptives are bad for society because we have a demographic crisis. Surely, it is not as bad as large number of people who refuse to get vaccinated. But when is the line between the level of "bad for society" where it is OK to limit a person;s ability to be in full control of his or her body? This is a slippery slope. You may be OK for vaccination and not OK for abortion and contraception. But maybe later the majority will think that our nation ages very fast and we need to boost the birth rate, so. abortions and contraception become sufficiently "bad for society". Will you agree to prohibit them? You cannot move the pole every time it is convenient for you, and a person;s ability to do what he wants with is body is that pole that should not be moved too easily.
Can you explain how it is bad for society and not only for that women. Is it because this women behaviour ill be negatively affected by forcing her to have a child she does not want to so that she will not take of proper care of him and/or will do something that will negatively affect others? Forcing a person to take a vaccine that he does not want to may also have a negative effect on his behaviour that may negatively affect others.
As I said, I got fully vaccinate at the first chance I had (and I had to wait a long tome before the government got enough vaccine). I also want to get a booster shot ASAP (I may have to travel to U.S. to get it as I do not believe Canada will offer them soon enough). And I want to encourage everyone to get vaccinated. But I am against forced vaccination!!!
First off, we have more than enough supply and have had more than enough supply for a very long time. Secondly, I'm sure when it's proven to be safe for everyone Canada will allow the booster and there is enough to go around.
Thirdly I still say BULLSHIT that you are vaccinated as you protest way too much and always have when it's been related to COVID.
Unvaxxed deserve to lose any and all privileges and if we are in another lockdown because of the dumbasses, I know who to thank on here.
Are you really wondering the impact of children being raised in a home where they aren't wanted or the impact when unwanted children end up as wards of the state?
You mean, he'll go and kill someone because he was made to do something he didn't like. The way a nine year old kicks the cat when he's made to tidy his room?
