Thomas Jefferson

WoodPeckr said:
That is the type of nefarious equivocating Team 'w' engaged in the last 8 years with DICK being their chief spokesman from the 'darkside'!
Now Gagmire carries on DICK's mindset!
Think of Gagmire as sort of a 'mini-me' DICK!....:rolleyes:
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Wow...double straw man argument. Old Jones invents a position for me and then Peckerwood runs with it. Why is it that liberals can only attack straw men? Intellectual pussies much?
 
Jefferson was an absolutist when it came to the separation of church and state. See Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter.

Oddly, righties tend to forget that.

Same goes with Ayn Rand. Plenty of righties kneel at the altar of Objectivism, conveniently ignoring the fact that Rand was an avowed atheist.

So if you're going to quote Jefferson, you have to take him at 100%. Unless, in typical rightie fashion, you conveniently "forget" or "ignore" bits that don't align with current right-wing dogma.
 
capncrunch said:
Jefferson was an absolutist when it came to the separation of church and state. See Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter.

Oddly, righties tend to forget that.

Same goes with Ayn Rand. Plenty of righties kneel at the altar of Objectivism, conveniently ignoring the fact that Rand was an avowed atheist.

So if you're going to quote Jefferson, you have to take him at 100%. Unless, in typical rightie fashion, you conveniently "forget" or "ignore" bits that don't align with current right-wing dogma.
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That's just stupid.

OTB
 
GlennQuagmire said:
Wow...double straw man argument. Old Jones invents a position for me and then Peckerwood runs with it. Why is it that liberals can only attack straw men? Intellectual pussies much?
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LMFAO!
JAJA could not have said that better!....:p
 
GlennQuagmire said:
"A wise & frugal government, which shall leave men free 2 regulate their own pursuits of industry & improvement, & shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." Thomas Jefferson

Comments?
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I apoligize in advance for this off topic post but I just have to comment.

When quoting someone, please don't use the NUMBER 2 to represent the WORD Too. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure Jefferson didn't "tweet"
 
Sorry Captain, without bothering to get into the details Jefferson was both an idiot and a hypocrite.

And I do not believe that Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum (Ayn Rand) had any great insight into the truth.
 
Jefferson was a founding father who fought for freedom from Blighty while being a slaveholder.....oh and since he was partial to boning his slave girls, he had a bit of that 'jungle fever'....:p
 
Still no danmand, chicken little fark

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Mervyn said:
I apoligize in advance for this off topic post but I just have to comment.

When quoting someone, please don't use the NUMBER 2 to represent the WORD Too. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure Jefferson didn't "tweet"
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Yes, I copied and pasted.
 
capncrunch said:
Jefferson was an absolutist when it came to the separation of church and state. See Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter.

Oddly, righties tend to forget that.

Same goes with Ayn Rand. Plenty of righties kneel at the altar of Objectivism, conveniently ignoring the fact that Rand was an avowed atheist.

So if you're going to quote Jefferson, you have to take him at 100%. Unless, in typical rightie fashion, you conveniently "forget" or "ignore" bits that don't align with current right-wing dogma.
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More interesting non-sequiturs. In the future, why not start a new thread?
 
GlennQuagmire said:
More interesting non-sequiturs. In the future, why not start a new thread?
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LMAO!
Funny how them 'non-sequiturs' make you look quite silly!.....:p
 
The US Constitution funny you bring that up Gagmire!
Bet you even parrot your hero Dubya and think it just a god damned piece of paper!....:rolleyes:
 
WoodPeckr said:
The US Constitution funny you bring that up Gagmire!
Bet you even parrot your hero Dubya and think it just a god damned piece of paper!....:rolleyes:
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Why would I hold the liberal Bush as a hero? He understood a few basic conservative principles, but for the most part he continued the liberal practice of wasting trillions of dollars. I thought I would never again see such a disgusting display of big government expansion in my lifetime. And then came Odumbo.

One more thing - Bush for all his failings never blamed prior administrations for his shortcomings. Odumbo can't stop blaming Bush.
 
GlennQuagmire said:
Oh I get it now....you didn't realize that at the time, slaves were legal property of the slave owner. Being property, slaves were not "free to regulate their own pursuits...." To answer your question - Tom's quote applies to slaves as property. Slavery was not prohibited by the Constitution at the time, so Jefferson would expect a "good government" to stay away from his slaves. Jefferson's quote became relevant to slaves only after the 13th Amendment changed their status from property to citizen.
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I was gonna say to Woodpeckr that his criticism didn't apply since Jefferson's quote was before emancipation, however, as you pointed out, it is a timeless concept for more freedom and individual wealth through less government and lower taxes.
 
GPIDEAL said:
I was gonna say to Woodpeckr that his criticism didn't apply since Jefferson's quote was before emancipation, however, as you pointed out, it is a timeless concept for more freedom and individual wealth through less government and lower taxes.
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Indeed. Too bad it is beyond the conceptual grasp of a liberal.
 
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