This poor lady

[Darts]

Strange but it's only the deranged rightist/fascist Princewekua who is saying it is wrong to mention the race of the alleged perpetrators and second, it is her fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. More real fake news from the right.

He was being sarcastic and mocking the lefties.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I dont know either, because if you read my response again, it was to another poster complaining that there was no outrage, the way it would be if a black man was killed (by police). Which of course isn't comparable to this.

Kind of going down a rabbit hole here with you which isn't surprising. You grabbed the comparison and ran with it. Saying that it was a stray bullet that killed a lady by accident is, how can I put this?...Not taking ownership. Playing down any responsibility or whitewashing, (so to speak) the fact that two thugs decided to go all Compton on each other and kill an innocent passerby.

 

[princekwekua]

So you mean that police brutality, systemic racism and discrimination against unarmed black men is exactly the same as a stray bullet killing an unfortunate lady by accident and should have a BLM type of response ?

This was an innocent bystander. But a black man targeted a cop and killed him, blacks target and kill students in schools, blacks shoot up in playgrounds, etc. Where are the demonstrations and uproar against this type of violence? Or you are saying black lives are the only lives that matter???

 

[black booty lover]

Another shooting this morning at Yonge and Bloor with multiple victims, hopefully no innocent bystanders on this one. News is still breaking...

 

[y2kmark]

First, it is wrong to mention the race of the alleged perpetrators. Second, it is her fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is what the asinine, brain dead lefties will say.

Heartbreaking. May her soul rest in peace.

Huh? These are guys they are actively looking for. Issue an APB that leaves out a very obvious characteristic? Once they are in custody you can protect their identity if it makes you feel better...

 

[richaceg]

So that proves what I am saying. 57% of mass shooters are white. What share of population they make is immaterial.

you need to work on them math skills,

 

[richaceg]

I dont think you understand what you are talking about. So do explain. It was based on what was posted.

before i do....let me ask, do you k now how to read graphs and charts?

 

[Valcazar]

Reductive and manipulative statistics do not count as reason. John_Jacob reminds me of Jordan Peterson who uses data the exact same way - come to an emotional and biased conclusion, then seek out and spin the data to support your conclusions and call it "Science!!".

Data is not very helpful in assessing issues with cultural and sociological issues. Lived experiences are more important in these cases.

I think data is very helpful in assessing these sorts of issues.
Reductive data used in a naive way isn't though.

 

[richaceg]

Just make your point if you have one instead of being snarky. I interpreted what was posted. Do tell, where I was wrong.

I afford myself to be snarky to someone who argues like they know shit but can't understand a simple chart...

Race	% of mass shooters	% of population
Asian	6.6%	3.6%
Black	17.4%	12.3%
Hispanic	8.3%	12.5%
Native American	2.5%	1.0%
White Non-Hispanic	54.5%	62.6%
Other	4.1%	7.9%
Unspecified/Unclear	6.6%

 

[richaceg]

That is my point though, that you can use data to find a trend, and then dig deeper. But what these guys do is seek data that supports their predetermined conclusions. That is erroneous and biased that actual data scientists look out for and account for in their analysis.

You're the one discounting data even though it's clear cut. There are no predetermined conclusions...Your stance on this will not move. even if you're wrong...i get it...

 

[shack]

Literally proves nothing. A bunch of disparate statistics. Also statistics dont indicate reasons, they only provide numbers. Root causes like poverty, inequalities, proliferation of weapons etc., are the driving factors that need to be addressed.

Every gun murder/gun death has different causations. No two are exactly the same. Trying to address all the different reasons is an IMPOSSIBILITY. It's a red herring, thrown out there by the gun lobby to make sure that the simplest and most effective solution to reducing gun deaths is never implemented.

Make the acquisition of guns much, much, much more difficult. Get rid of 90% of the guns in the country and it will result in much fewer gun deaths irrespective of the reasons.

Once that is done, do as many fucking studies as you want to determine reasons.

 

[princekwekua]

Whites, Asians, Hispanics do all of those things too. That is crime. Deal with the criminals per the provisions in the law.

The protests and demonstrations however are against police brutality, disproportionately policing black people, responding differently to the threat when the suspect is black which often times ends up with unarmed black people getting shot, and against systemic racism not just in policing but in everything else as well.

The issues that you think the protests are about (based on what you mentioned in your post), are not what the protests are about. The issues groups like BLM highlight are mostly specific to black, and to a lesser extent hispanic communities, and by extension to other non-white presenting communities.

Also, you are a tad late to the Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter semantics debate. It's once again a right wing "bluster, denial, distract" tactic, to misrepresent phrase Black Lives Matter, to mean that other lives don't. Infact, I would argue it is petty and unintellectual to even argue that way.

I am in GTA and referencing crime in GTA. Here, heinous crimes are committed disproportionately by blacks. But you obviously are not concerned about that. Good luck with your lunatic rants

 

[princekwekua]

Yes crime is very rare even in the GTA. It is an extremely safe city and one of the safest in the world. So yes, I am less concerned about crime in Toronto and generally do not view blacks as dangerous.

As for the crime that does happen, yes I am more interested in fixing the root causes such as poverty and discrimination rather than be paranoic about a race or advocate for racial profiling or other types of legalized racism.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/person-injured-mississauga-shooting-1.6580255

A black man ambushed and murdered a cop who was on his lunch break. The same bastard killed an auto repair shop owner who was his employer putting money in his pockets. Explain how poverty and discrimination are the basis for these dastardly acts

 

[tml]

And a white man mass murdered several people in Nova Scotia. What is your point?

White people did not make excuses for his behaviour.

 

[Not getting younger]

Every gun murder/gun death has different causations. No two are exactly the same. Trying to address all the different reasons is an IMPOSSIBILITY. It's a red herring, thrown out there by the gun lobby to make sure that the simplest and most effective solution to reducing gun deaths is never implemented.

Make the acquisition of guns much, much, much more difficult. Get rid of 90% of the guns in the country and it will result in much fewer gun deaths irrespective of the reasons.

Once that is done, do as many fucking studies as you want to determine reasons.

um Pot meet kettle???

Your solution to a fairly complex albeit easy to identify actual problems…

is knee jerk, blanket ban all guns…
Lmao

 

[Not getting younger]

This thread is kind of comical.

Very few people will bet real money, the shooters here aren’t bangers, repeat offenders, out on bail…

solution.
Fix our stupid justice system…like my god….

And these events are not anomalies in the stats.it’s been the same for 20 years and is getting worse…

Are there other possible measures?
Like trying to address inequities, barriers, youth at risk??

why is this a black/white, either/ or thing.
???????????????????????????????????????

FFS you know it is entirely possible for both sides to be “right”????

 

[Not getting younger]

It ISNT. Thats my point. My point has been to fix inequities and other issues that lead to crime. Of course there are a multitude of other reasons as well. But a couple of guys here are advocating for racial profiling and making it about race, which only makes things worse and does not solve any issues.

Well it kind of is, in so much as you don’t seem to want to accept the data….

By the way. if I’m willing to bet the shooter are “D” all of the above. And I am. Am I not not racial profiling? If you agree with D. Are you not?

 

[tml]

If you accept data then you want to tackle root causes of crime. Yes black neighbourhoods suffer more homicides and crime but your action should not be to profile black people via carding, stop and frisk etc, but to do something about those neighbourhoods that will pull them out of those situations.

In other words, reward criminal behaviour.

 

[Not getting younger]

If you accept data then you want to tackle root causes of crime. Yes black neighbourhoods suffer more homicides and crime but your action should not be to profile black people via carding, stop and frisk etc, but to do something about those neighbourhoods that will pull them out of those situations.

And what is D all of the above?

A bangers
B repeat offenders
C out on bail

 

[tml]

Are you saying all black people are criminals? That would be racist.

Nice effort to put me on the defensive, but it didn't work.