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jcpro said:
I hate to say this, but this vote should be shit canned and the whole thing redone. This is no longer about who wins, but about the integrity of the process. When a candidate like James in Michigan is cruising in the polls and votes for a sure win and gets swamped by the mail in ballots at 3AM, something is very wrong. One citizen, one vote and the voting ID cannot be substituted with this clusterfuck we're witnessing. And to all of you tainted by one of the other candidate- presidents come and go, but the integrity of the process is all that matters. Try to think about following elections and what this will do to the citizens' faith in the system if half of the electorate considers the process as illegitimate and fraudulent.
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Yeah, Biden got a bigger vote differential than Reagan during his landslide and this one is too close to call?
Fucked up system.
 
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jcpro said:
I hate to say this, but this vote should be shit canned and the whole thing redone. This is no longer about who wins, but about the integrity of the process. When a candidate like James in Michigan is cruising in the polls and votes for a sure win and gets swamped by the mail in ballots at 3AM, something is very wrong. One citizen, one vote and the voting ID cannot be substituted with this clusterfuck we're witnessing. And to all of you tainted by one of the other candidate- presidents come and go, but the integrity of the process is all that matters. Try to think about following elections and what this will do to the citizens' faith in the system if half of the electorate considers the process as illegitimate and fraudulent.
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Yea I am sure you would be advocating for a redo if the soon to be former epidemiologist in chief had won. Vote counting could not start until election day by law so why would it surprise you that results were released early in the morning. Everyone expected mail in ballots to be way up because of Covid and they probably tended to be Dem as they actually took the virus and risks seriously.
 
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toguy5252 said:
Yea I am sure you would be advocating for a redo if the soon to be former epidemiologist in chief had won. Vote counting could not start until election day by law so why would it surprise you that results were released early in the morning. Everyone expected mail in ballots to be way up because of Covid and they probably tended to be Dem as they actually took the virus and risks seriously.
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Actually I would even if Trump wins because even if he manages to pull this off, his term will be tainted. Same goes for Joe, btw. And you can shove the Covid you know where. If you can go to the grocery store, you can cast your vote in person.
 
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explorerzip said:
There's never going to be the slightest bit of uniformity because there's no will to do it. The smallest suggestions are going to meant with cries of socialism. Far better (and lucrative) to sue each other into submission and keep the status quo.
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That's not the issue. People naturally argue about everything. (Except apparently Canadians unless they are anonymous on social media.) We can't even get people to agree that proper identification should be presented at the polling site. Some states have already made it legal to walk around collecting ballots.
 
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wigglee said:
Many Repuglican state legislatures refused to let the early votes be tabulated until AFTER the election day votes were counted.
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Could you cite a source? In the states that waited to count mail-in votes, I believe that was always the convention. Perhaps they should have anticipated a time crunch, but I'm not sure they voted down changes or refused to do something.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Yeah, Biden got a bigger vote differential than Reagan during his landslide and this one is too close to call?
Fucked up system.
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Why are you posting nonsense? If we're all on the internet, it takes five seconds to know you're posting bullshit.
 
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People should hold mass demonstrations in the East European style to motivate the politicians to do the right thing.
 
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wigglee said:
Trump fucked the Post Office to impede the mail in voting. Many Repuglican state legislatures refused to let the early votes be tabulated until AFTER the election day votes were counted. Many Democrats voted early because of covid and the fear of 7 hour lineups. So...... nothing is fishy here. The votes need to be counted... ALL OF THEM. This is why Trumps early leads are disappearing.
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It's as if you didn't read my post at all. I'm not sure whose post you are responding to, but it wasn't mine.
 
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A bad smell is not conclusive evidence. However, anyone would be foolish to ignore it and not try to resolve whether there is a problem that accounts for it. I am struck by a few features that have become pervasive in American elections and/or were features of this particular election:

1. Democratic strongholds persistently report later than the remainder of their state. This makes no sense to me, particularly in Democratic run states like Pennsylvania where the state is free to allocate election resources wherever they feel they are are needed. There is no reason why large urban voting centers need to be underresourced (on a per ballot basis). Even in Republican run states, election staff in the Democratic strongholds tend to be Democrats simply for pragmatic reasons (location). If I was trying to think of ways to cheat in an election, certainly having my vote come in only after the opponent's vote was fully counted would be in my toolbox.

2. Races that the Democrats won, but were unexpectedly close, got no airtime or comment. Trump is on track to get 44-45% of the vote in New York, one of the most reliably blue states! How did this not merit any mention? Is it just co-incidence that it doesn't fit the narrative that voters in this part of the country don't like Trump? Michigan and Pennsylvania are not far away, and are largely industrialized states.

3. I primarily watched CNN's coverage. Wolf Blitzer was clearly troubled by the disappearance of early Democrat leads in Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, Ohio, etc. Why? Biden didn't need those wins. Wasn't he super confident, based on the polls, that Biden would get what he needed in the northern states and/or Arizona anyway? There's something wrong when a network touts polls so consistently, and then doesn't appear to have any faith in them at all on election night. That behaviour made them look like frauds in my eyes.

4. While I understand election rules that would prevent announcing any election results before the polls close, I'm at a loss as to why votes can't be counted as they are received (subject to litigation challenging the propriety of those particular votes, in which case they should be segregated), and then promptly announced following the close of the polls. See point 1.

5. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "normal" everything is during this election. It is NOT normal for mail in ballots to be so substantial that anyone could think that they could upend a 700,000 vote lead. The normal insignificance of mail in balloting is why they've never received much scrutiny in the past, and why they don't impede calling state victories on election night, not because there was never anything to question. There is nothing normal about this election. Further, I did not and do not buy the move to expanded mail in balloting based on public health grounds. The perception of fair and reliable election results is more socially important than the miniscule public health risks of people voting in person voting with masks on.

6. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "unprecedented" and "undemocratic" it was of Trump to say, in essence, that he believes he won and that his opponents are concocting schemes to deny him his victory. This criticism is hogwash. Anyone who ever challenged an election result by demanding a recount or challenging the process in court was implicitly claiming victory and skullduggery on the part of his opponents. It has happened innumerable times, and was the essence of the Bush v. Gore challenge. Complaining that a state is attempting to manipulate election results by changing voting rules is a democratic, rather than undemocratic argument, Elections need clear rules, or they are subject to manipulation. See point 1, again.

7. CNN wouldn't declare Florida for Trump until he had a 3.5 point lead with less than 5% of the vote to count. WTF was up with that! At 90% of the vote, did they think Biden was going to blow Trump out on the remaining vote? Smelled bad. Smelled bad for hours on end. On the other end of the scale, their reluctance to call Arizona is also fishy. Bigger lead (for the Democrats). What is holding them back? Similarly, what's wrong in Nevada that prevented them from making that call?

Did any of this bother you?
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How about the 27.377 they "found" in Pennsylvania and not a single vote in the bunch for Trump. What are the odds on that?
 
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WyattEarp said:
That's not the issue. People naturally argue about everything. (Except apparently Canadians unless they are anonymous on social media.) We can't even get people to agree that proper identification should be presented at the polling site. Some states have already made it legal to walk around collecting ballots.
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Each state has their own way of doing things and don't count votes in the same way. If the US wants faster or more accurate results then they need to standardize the process including when they can start and finish vote counting. As I said before, there's no will to do it because each state is entrenched in their own way of doing things. Attempting to change it will just be met with cries of big government interfering with states rights. Since Americans want a fragmented system then they can't complain that the results are coming in that way.
 
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Fox reporting that Pennsylvania Democrats don't want Trump campaign observers to get close enough (6ft) to actually see whether votes received and tabulated are actually lawful. Want observers back 30ft or more. Trump lawyers obtained court ruling in their favour today. Appeal by Penn Democrats. Appeal court immediately suspended lower court ruling and vote count. Some counties in Penn have stopped vote count without explaining why.
 
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In Nevada, ballots were sent out without request. Voting requires minimum residency. Nevada has huge turnover in its residency. Significant opportunity to harvest unclaimed ballots left at apartment buildings, etc. Apparently, at least one dead man has voted.
 
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Only suspended until 10.00 AM tomorrow in Pennsylvania:

thehill.com

Key Pa. county suspends vote counting until 10 a.m. Wednesday

Election officials in a key Pennsylvania county said early Wednesday morning that they would pause vote counting for about eight hours until they reconvened later in the day, an announcement t…
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Now Trump's leads in Georgia and Pennsylvania are significantly down. No wonder Trump and his campaign team are extremely nervous and throwing in their lawsuits in the respective Courts!!
 
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