They changed the Klingons again

[Insidious Von]

Jason Isaac being Jason Isaac, he's always been a master of the unexpected. That's why I was so pumped for this show.

Update: The Death of Stalin is officially banned in Russia, the film was screened at Sundance. Did Hollywood cave to Putin by not releasing it for awards consideration? Or, were they not sure if Isaac could sell, they have no excuse for not releasing it soon.

...I forgot, Jeffrey Tambor has been disgraced.

 

[Promo]

I'm enjoying the new series.

Looks like Jonathan Franks gave away the story (see post 77), turns out all predictions were true.

Lorca can still be alive in the standard universe, be interesting to see how this plays out. So the spores can also be used for time travel .........

I've read a few potential spoilers on Trek boards - even Jonathan Franks has had a few new comments. I won't say anything, but looks like we are instore for some great Trek.

 

[Insidious Von]

Are the Klingons from Uranus?

LMAO, so what are you saying? Redd Foxx created the Klingons.

Jason Isaacs was asked if he knew the plotline. His answer ( in typical Isaacs fashion): No...yes. I had to keep quite or else they would have pulled my kidneys from my nostrils.

There are two more episodes to go, I hope Federation Lorca does exist. Isaacs brings so much to this series.

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/28/lorca-you-still-got-my-love-why-star-trek-disoverys-mirrorverse-terran-captain-is-still-my-hero-7265554/

 

[Promo]

LMAO, so what are you saying? Redd Foxx created the Klingons.

Jason Isaacs was asked if he knew the plotline. His answer ( in typical Isaacs fashion): No...yes. I had to keep quite or else they would have pulled my kidneys from my nostrils.

There are two more episodes to go, I hope Federation Lorca does exist. Isaacs brings so much to this series.

Hint - how long of a contract does he have? The she-devil emperor is now in our universe, this could get real interesting!

 

[Insidious Von]

I don't know, I'm assuming that E14 will not air during Super Bowl Sunday. Given her romantic history with Federation Lorca, if Admiral Cornwell returns to the series then he might return as well.

Isaacs has made a career out of giving first season shows a good push. I haven't seen the OA yet, but I bet he was outstanding in that as well. Also, Isaacs did make the Final Cut to replace Pierce Brosnan as 007.

 

[Terminator2000]

I'm enjoying the new series.

Looks like Jonathan Franks gave away the story (see post 77), turns out all predictions were true.

Lorca can still be alive in the standard universe, be interesting to see how this plays out. So the spores can also be used for time travel .........

I've read a few potential spoilers on Trek boards - even Jonathan Franks has had a few new comments. I won't say anything, but looks like we are instore for some great Trek.

so theyre going to use the spores for time travel now? is that the spoiler? they did time travel before in star trek. spock did it once in one of the recent movies and kirk and spock did it again in order to save a whale..in a movie. so thats twice now

 

[Promo]

so theyre going to use the spores for time travel now? is that the spoiler? they did time travel before in star trek. spock did it once in one of the recent movies and kirk and spock did it again in order to save a whale..in a movie. so thats twice now

I don't want to say too much .... did you watch the most recent episode? It answers your question. Whether the spores can be used for regular and reliable time travel ..... I can only repeat what I read on the Trek boards and there are lots of theories. A poster (who most of us think is a studio insider) is hinting that the possibility will make for some excellent story arcs. Jonathan Franks has said the mirror universe will continue to play a part in Discovery.

Indeed Spock created a fairly simple repeatable methodology for time travel. The Guardian of Forever is an alternative.

I personally don't like time travel stories. They are generally weak and gives the writers an out instead of creating good sci fi.

 

[Terminator2000]

I don't want to say too much .... did you watch the most recent episode? It answers your question. Whether the spores can be used for regular and reliable time travel ..... I can only repeat what I read on the Trek boards and there are lots of theories. A poster (who most of us think is a studio insider) is hinting that the possibility will make for some excellent story arcs. Jonathan Franks has said the mirror universe will continue to play a part in Discovery.

Indeed Spock created a fairly simple repeatable methodology for time travel. The Guardian of Forever is an alternative.

I personally don't like time travel stories. They are generally weak and gives the writers an out instead of creating good sci fi.

the only time travel method i know that kirk and spock used was they went towards the sun at warp speed 9.5 and higher. ha ha. which was pretty lame. in the movie where they saved the whales.

i think spock did that again in the most recent movie with chris pine

 

[Promo]

the only time travel method i know that kirk and spock used was they went towards the sun at warp speed 9.5 and higher. ha ha. which was pretty lame. in the movie where they saved the whales.

i think spock did that again in the most recent movie with chris pine

The first technique is called the slingshot effect, the second was a black hole. Here's a list of all the time travel episode and the 20+ technologies used: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Time_travel_episodes

 

[Goodoer]

I forgot Jason Isaacs was in the OA. Great show!

The new Trek is good so far and trying to find its own identity. Hard to do considering how many Trek series and movies have been done. I'm not a fan of Saru though...

My only other comment is that I'd like to see a gay actor not be the stereotypical 'gay'... I like my world where I don't know who's homosexual just be talking to them.

 

[Insidious Von]

I disagree, Doug Jones is very strong as Saru. Imho the Stamets character is weak, in the coma sequence I got impatient to get back to Lorca's machinations. Is it that gay actors can't portray gay on screen or do I resent an average actor taking down a great one. Although Kevin Spacey appears not to want to contest Rapp's allegations.

It's like hetero actors are better at playing gay than actual gays.

 

[k57]

Just streamed last night's episode (Feb 4) and trailer at end for season finale looks pretty awesome! Been a Trek fan my whole life (sigh I'm old enough to admit that I was around as a kid to see the original series with Shatner and the gang when they FIRST AIRED!) Personally, I found this series fumbled around a bit but it's all pulling together, best Trek TV series ever in my humble opinion. (So they changed the look of the Klingons, BIG DEAL, GET OVER IT)

 

[james t kirk]

The story line arc is great.

The only weak spot in the entire cast is Michelle Yeoh as Captain / Emperor Philippa Georgiou.

Gawd awful to watch. Completely miscast IMHO.

And still not liking the new Klingons. The 2'nd generation Klingons were great.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I didn't see the trailer but I am looking forward to it.

The new look for the Klingons is growing on me and I can't say if I am happy that Phillipa is back. She is actually a very good actor but I agree that some of her acting in the last couple of episodes have been off. I just don't know if she is trying too hard to play a bad ass.

I think her acting would project further if she was more subtle in her bad-assery.

 

[Insidious Von]

They aired E14 on Super Bowl night?

It looks like we won't be seeing Federation Lorca any time soon. Jason Isaacs has committed to S2 of The OA. Can't blame him really, who wouldn't want to work with Brit Marling.

 

[managee]

Finished the season last night.

It’s probably the first Star Trek I’ve watched on air before it was in syndication. So that said, I’ve never been all that into the franchise. I did really enjoy this season and look forward to 2019 for season 2.

The finale in-particular was particularly great.

Goods:
-Serial seasonal arc over traditional for franchise (mostly) episodic seasons.
-Pace and use of visual storytelling. Especially episodes 1, 2 and 3, 14 and 15.
-Most of the casting and performances. Especially liked Michael Burnham, Paul Stamets, Catrina Cornwell and Philippa Georgiou as characters. Gabriel Lorca will be very much missed.
-Early episodes SFX.
-Unique protagonist for franchise as she’s a Commander, not Captain.
-New costumes and set / model designs were fantastic. I liked the range of character designs the new Klingon makeup offers.

Bads:
-A multiverse in the first season AND time travel? Hat on a hat...
-Space Tardigrades AND a space whale? Hmm.
-All the tropey shit that I enjoy least about Star Trek. Especially everything about Saru, sexy but silly Tilly and also everything about L’Rell.
-A missed opportunity to make Vulcans and Klingons (especially) into true three-dimensional characters/species.
-Gay character storyline was shoehorned front and centre and had no right to be there since we only met both characters like 8 episodes ago. Where’s the subtlety? The trans-species stuff seems a bit dumb, and a lame way to cover that base.
-TV-portion of the franchise still almost totally relies on exposition for storytelling. Deus ex phaser-machina.

I don’t see it ever being a prestige-level television show, but it’s got the bones to keep me tuning in. I wish they’d taken more of a risk in moving away from the traditional franchise universe, but then it wouldn’t really be Star Trek.

B-

 

[Goodoer]

I found the season finale to be quite the let down. The two others I was with did as well. I won’t go into spoilers, but the kick-ass momentum has been stopped in its tracks due to poor writing and story summation. Lorca is/was the best character bar none. Michael was made lame or else she would be at the same level.

Netflix needs to get a hold of this property next and do something with it... Black Mirror, the OA, Altered Carbon, etc. are all solid gold.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I found the season finale to be quite the let down. The two others I was with did as well. I won’t go into spoilers, but the kick-ass momentum has been stopped in its tracks due to poor writing and story summation. Lorca is/was the best character bar none. Michael was made lame or else she would be at the same level.

Netflix needs to get a hold of this property next and do something with it... Black Mirror, the OA, Altered Carbon, etc. are all solid gold.

I agree. This is a Star Trek for new fans and some of the old.

Kind of like how the last few movies were a fast and furious type of Star Trek. I will likely give it one more season.

 

[managee]

I agree. This is a Star Trek for new fans and some of the old.

Kind of like how the last few movies were a fast and furious type of Star Trek. I will likely give it one more season.

Yea, I’m wondering who the audience for this is.

I’m not a Trek guy and I liked it, definitely didn’t love it. Still, I’m more into this than any Trek before.

If it didn’t appeal all that much to me, and didn’t appear to appeal all that much to you as Trek fans, who was it made for? Full-disclosure, I’m not a millennial, so maybe it appeals more to them and I just can’t see it.

 

[Goodoer]

FWIW, I am Sci-Fi fan and definitely into Trek. The series finale left me morose - similar to when 'Enterprise' was cancelled and resolved within 4 episodes... [A shark is getting ready to jump].

Movies are for 'adventures' that resolve themselves within 2 hours. Show series' like Trek must be more in-depth and riveting to cut it now. Great writing and story arcs are key. Netflix's series do this in spades and that is why we pay them money.

Viewership is more discerning and sophisticated. Star Trek has to adapt to survive. The live-action Star Wars series will make sure they succeed.