The One State Solution Resource

[fuji]

Funny how you didn't first say that they wanted a democratic state. Hence the contradiction in terms. That's why they militarily occupy and control millions of Palestinians without affording them democratic equality. They would have to share equally. That's what democracy demands. Zionism precludes that.

It's already a democratic state, and a majority of Israelis want it to be a Jewish state. All the Palestinians in Israel are citizens with full voting rights.

In your fucked up mind Gaza and Area A of the West Bank are included in Israel, but that's just your error, and your erroneous view is contradicted by everyone including the UN.

 

[basketcase]

Wait, I thought you said Israel was supposed to be a democratic state.
Now you're claiming its a Jewish state instead?

Which is it?
Democratic or Jewish?
It can't be both.

Why can't it be both? Numerous countries have an official religion and democratic rights for all.


Of course that has absolutely nothing to do with my post. All you're doing is making another excuse for Hamas' refusal to accept the concept of peace with Israel.


(then there is that whole thing of the PA defining itself as a Muslim country with Sharia as the basis for their laws - but let's not worry about them)

 

[Frankfooter]

Why can't it be both? Numerous countries have an official religion and democratic rights for all.

Sure, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, right?

As Netanyahu said in the quote above:

Netanyahu said: "The state of Israel is the nation state of the Jewish People. It has equal individual rights for every citizen and we insist on this.

"But only the Jewish People have national rights:

That's not equal rights for all races/religions, is it?

 

[SkyRider]

Two states -- one Jewish and one Palestinian with a wall separating them. Muslims are unable to co-exist with any other people. In fact, Muslims often can't even co-exist with other Muslims.

When the Brits left India they wisely partitioned India into India and Muslim Pakistan.

 

[Frankfooter]

Two states -- one Jewish and one Palestinian with a wall separating them. Muslims are unable to co-exist with any other people. In fact, Muslims often can't even co-exist with other Muslims.

When the Brits left India they wisely partitioned India into India and Muslim Pakistan.

More of the racist and very old colonization thinking that divided Rwanda into Hutsi and Tutsu, the same thinking that brought us the Balfour declaration and imagined walls between people who had gotten along fine previously. Partition by the Brits is yet another example of this flawed thinking that brought disaster.

Building walls around people based on race has to be the stupidest idea going.

 

[basketcase]

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Clearly you've shown that Hamas is willing to stop terror attacks and should no longer be called 'cockroaches' by you, instead you should start negotiating and hearing their side of the story.

If they hadn't conducted two major terror attacks this summer and celebrated dozens upon dozens of others I'd agree with you. I hope that at some point we can describe Hamas as FORMER terrorists.

And they are the ones who refuse to negotiate and their "side of the story" is nothing less than the destruction of Israel and removal of the Jewish presence.

 

[basketcase]

More of the racist ....

What does it mean when the Palestinians are on board with him? The 'moderates' define Palestine as an Islamic State who's laws are guided by Sharia. Hamas defines Palestine as replacing Israel with a state free of the Jewish presence.

And as racist as sky is, 20% of Israel's population are Arabs with full rights and would be on Israel's side of the "wall". The Palestinains are the only ones demanding that one race is removed from their territory.

You should just admit that overt Palestinian racism doesn't bother you and your complaints about his post are mostly because you reject the concept of a Two State peace that is supported by the UN.

 

[SkyRider]

Actually, I also think that the Kurds and Sikhs deserve their own state, just like Singapore. Same with Quebec and Scotland if they decide to separate based on a democratic vote. Only a racist himself would think this is racist. John Kerry in his speech today said that the only sensible solution is two states.

Personally, I think the only sensible solution is 3 states. Israel, Gaza and West Bank. If you put Hamas and Fatah in the same state they will start killing each other even though they are both Muslims (e.g. Afghanistan).

 

[Frankfooter]

And they are the ones who refuse to negotiate and their "side of the story" is nothing less than the destruction of Israel and removal of the Jewish presence.

And yet:

20% of Israel's population are Arabs with full rights and would be on Israel's side of the "wall".

It appears Palestinians are happy to live in peace when they get full rights.
Israel should try that, instead of forcing Gaza to live in the world's largest open air prison.

 

[fuji]

And yet:


It appears Palestinians are happy to live in peace when they get full rights.
Israel should try that, instead of forcing Gaza to live in the world's largest open air prison.

Only because they are a minority. Every arab majority state has ethnically cleansed Jews. It works because the Jewish majority elects an egalitarian government.

 

[MattRoxx]

And yet:


It appears Palestinians are happy to live in peace when they get full rights.
Israel should try that, instead of forcing Gaza to live in the world's largest open air prison.

Yes, all you need to do now is convince Gazans to pledge allegiance to the state of Israel, proudly fly the Star of David flag and start singing Hatikva. Maybe voluntarily serve time in the IDF too.
Should be easy, right.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, all you need to do now is convince Gazans to pledge allegiance to the state of Israel, proudly fly the Star of David flag and start singing Hatikva. Maybe voluntarily serve time in the IDF too.
Should be easy, right.

It would be easier to get them to join the IDF if they weren't primarily attacking Palestinians and making their lives miserable.

 

[basketcase]

...
It appears Palestinians are happy to live in peace when they get full rights.....

You should have a word with the Palestinian leadership and the Palestinian people; both overwhelmingly reject becoming Israeli.

 

[Frankfooter]

You should have a word with the Palestinian leadership and the Palestinian people; both overwhelmingly reject becoming Israeli.

Under the present apartheid system, who blames them?

 

[fuji]

Under the present apartheid system, who blames them?

You lying that Israel is apartheid is disgusting anti-Semitic hate speech. It's not going to become true just because of your non stop lying.

Stop lying.

 

[basketcase]

Under the present apartheid system, who blames them?

You really have gone mental. You are now saying Palestinians don't want full rights in Israel because they don't have the same rights as Israeli Arabs? Or is it you are saying it's all Israel's fault that the Palestinians don't want an egalitarian state with Jews? Maybe you are once again justifying Palestinian violence against Israeli civilians.

But at least you are finally admitting that the Palestinian leadership and the Palestinian people reject your one state farce.

 

[gryfin]

The Palestinian population is on target to equal the number of Israeli Jews in 2017:

6.58 million each: Palestinians claim they’ll be as numerous as Jews in ‘historic Palestine’ in 2017

"The number of Palestinians living in Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is expected to rise to equal the number of Jews in the same area by the end of 2017, at 6.58 million, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics claimed in figures it released on Thursday.

Titled “Palestinians at the end of 2016” (Arabic and English) the report estimated that there are 6.41 million Palestinians living in “historical Palestine” — considered by the PCBS to be the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, a figure that apparently includes the 1.8 million Arab Israelis.

The PCBS has been responsible for providing Israel with demographic data for the West Bank since the 1993 Oslo Accords. The Israel Defense Forces also relies on the figures."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/6-58-m...us-as-jews-in-historical-palestine-next-year/

 

[Frankfooter]

You really have gone mental. You are now saying Palestinians don't want full rights in Israel because they don't have the same rights as Israeli Arabs? Or is it you are saying it's all Israel's fault that the Palestinians don't want an egalitarian state with Jews? Maybe you are once again justifying Palestinian violence against Israeli civilians.

But at least you are finally admitting that the Palestinian leadership and the Palestinian people reject your one state farce.

Let me try it again, a bit slower for you, I know the alzheimer's makes it hard for you.

Palestinians don't trust Israeli's because they live under apartheid rule at present.
They don't trust Israeli's to give them equal rights as the present government is so right wing and instead talks of annexing land and taking more rights.

But that doesn't mean that the UN and ICC couldn't force Israel, through sanctions and other pressure, to implement full rights.
Under a system of equal rights they could all learn to live together again, eventually, as even Rwanda has managed.

 

[basketcase]

Let me try it again,...

You can make up all the bullshit excuses you want.

Hamas and Fatah's armed wing are quite open that their issue is with Israel's existence.

And the Palestinians hate the One State concept. In your arrogance you think they should be forced into a state that both sides detest. It is also quite clear that your interest isn't in supporting the rights of Palestinians but rather the elimination of Israel. If you were really concerned about the welfare of the Palestinian people you would spend more time criticizing the people who are actively abusing and stealing from the Palestinians on a daily basis, their own leaders.

Resistance to Israel is and always has been more about personal profit and distracting the people from their own hardships. That is how it was when the Palestinians leadership were selling land to Jews at the same time they were inciting riots against them and it continues today.

 

[Frankfooter]

You can make up all the bullshit excuses you want.

Hamas and Fatah's armed wing are quite open that their issue is with Israel's existence.

And yet the Likud party charter also calls for taking over all the land and you think they are ok in negotiations.
Must just be your innate racism.