The One State Solution Resource

[basketcase]

And yet...

More excuses for Hamas.

It is interesting you want to compare the Likud Charter which calls for a greater Israel to the Hamas charter which calls for the removal of the Jewish presence from the region and demands non-Muslims are subservient. Once again, no matter how bad Netanyahu/Israel is, Hamas is far, far worse.

And the only thing stopping Hamas from being in negotiations is Hamas refusing to be part of negotiations. Sadly you are happy to make excuses for Hamas while doing anything you can to further your crusade against Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

More excuses for Hamas.

It is interesting you want to compare the Likud Charter which calls for a greater Israel to the Hamas charter which calls for the removal of the Jewish presence from the region and demands non-Muslims are subservient. Once again, no matter how bad Netanyahu/Israel is, Hamas is far, far worse.

Both declare they want it all, they are exactly the same.
The only real difference is that one of them is nuclear armed and pushing the other side into the sea.

If you want to discuss which is worse, do you want to start with the numbers of civilians killed by either side?
How about which one is likely to have committed more war crimes?

Israel has become worse then Hamas.

 

[basketcase]

If you want to discuss which is worse, do you want to start with the numbers of civilians killed by either side?....

Not surprised you want a metric like that which completely ignores that Hamas etc. are trying to kill as many civilians as possible and they openly celebrate civilian deaths.


The worst thing of your anti-Israel crusade is that you ignore the massive rights violations that Hamas (and Fatah) commit against their own people. You should just admit that your views have nothing to do with human rights but merely a crusade against Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

Not surprised you want a metric like that which completely ignores that Hamas etc. are trying to kill

Not surprising that you only want to look at what you claim are Hamas' goals, instead of looking at what either side does.
Too bad you also said:

When their actions match their words....

So look at their actions, not their words.
By your own metric, Israel kills, way, way more civilians them Hamas.
By your own metric, Israel is worse.

Take both to the ICC.
Treat both sides equally under the law.

 

[fuji]

The Palestinian population is on target to equal the number of Israeli Jews in 2017:

6.58 million each: Palestinians claim they’ll be as numerous as Jews in ‘historic Palestine’ in 2017

"The number of Palestinians living in Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is expected to rise to equal the number of Jews in the same area by the end of 2017, at 6.58 million, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics claimed in figures it released on Thursday.

Titled “Palestinians at the end of 2016” (Arabic and English) the report estimated that there are 6.41 million Palestinians living in “historical Palestine” — considered by the PCBS to be the area from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, a figure that apparently includes the 1.8 million Arab Israelis.

The PCBS has been responsible for providing Israel with demographic data for the West Bank since the 1993 Oslo Accords. The Israel Defense Forces also relies on the figures."

http://www.timesofisrael.com/6-58-m...us-as-jews-in-historical-palestine-next-year/

Pretty irrelevant since they are not in the same country.

 

[fuji]

Both declare they want it all, they are exactly the same.
The only real difference is that one of them is nuclear armed and pushing the other side into the sea.

If you want to discuss which is worse, do you want to start with the numbers of civilians killed by either side?
How about which one is likely to have committed more war crimes?

Israel has become worse then Hamas.

Let's look at which side TARGETS CIVILIANS.

Hamas has committed by far the most war crimes of almost any group in the entire world: one count for every qassam ticket ever fired, one count for every mortar fired at civilians, one count for every child sent out as a soldier. Then add the numerous other attacks.

Israel on the other hand never targets civilians and when an Israeli soldier violates the law of war Israel prosecutes them. Hamas has NEVER prosecuted anyone for firing rockets at Jews.

Obviously you don't think attacks on Jews count.

 

[gryfin]

Pretty irrelevant since they are not in the same country.

No, the same country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

 

[fuji]

No, the same country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

You are wrong. The UN recognizes Palestine as a separate, occupied country. Palestine even has a seat at the UN. Also, the occupation is legal

Repeating your lies ad nauseum, spamming, etc, won't make you any less wrong.

 

[gryfin]

You are wrong. The UN recognizes Palestine as a separate, occupied country. Palestine even has a seat at the UN. Also, the occupation is legal

Repeating your lies ad nauseum, spamming, etc, won't make you any less wrong.

Exactly. The same country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

One apartheid state.

 

[fuji]

Exactly. The same country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

One apartheid state.

No, occupation by definition is not one state. The occupation is also entirely legal and targeting Hamas is both legal and necessary.

Stop trolling.

 

[gryfin]

No, occupation by definition is not one state. The occupation is also entirely legal and targeting Hamas is both legal and necessary.

Stop trolling.

One apartheid state. One country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

 

[fuji]

One apartheid state. One country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

No, you are lying. The UN recognizes Palestine as a separate country. You yourself have called it an occupation which by definition is a separate country

 

[MattRoxx]

Clearly you've shown that Hamas is willing to stop terror attacks and should no longer be called 'cockroaches' by you, instead you should start negotiating and hearing their side of the story.

In addition to being cockroaches your friends are sick fuckers.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ng-releases-mock-video-of-Israel-soldier.html

Hamas’s military wing on Saturday released videos of a mock birthday party for Israeli soldier Oron Shaul, who the army believes was killed in the 2014 Gaza war.

The Al-Qassam Brigades said in a New Year’s Eve statement that it had posted online “two video clips to mark the 23rd birthday of the Zionist soldier and prisoner Oron Shaul”.

The statement went on to say the Al-Qassam Brigades had previously announced that it had killed 14 Israeli soldiers and abducted Shaul in eastern Gaza on July 20, 2014. A 36-second video shows six people in military fatigues sitting on chairs and surrounding another person on a wheelchair who is wearing a shirt bearing the number 102.
Their faces cannot be seen. In the middle of them on a table is a cake with three candles bearing a message written in Hebrew that reads: “Three years in Hamas jail”. In the background a choir sings in Hebrew: “Happy Birthday Oron”.

In the second clip, which lasts 54 seconds, a person whose face appears to have been digitally altered to that of Shaul’s is seen sitting in a prison cell with their hands bound in ropes.

In the final scene, a man dressed as a clown and appearing to be Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu enters the cell. Messages written in both Arabic and Hebrew read: “A new year and the soldier Shaul is still away from his family” and “the decision is in the hands of the government”.

The Israeli army believes that another soldier, Hadar Goldin, was killed along with Shaul two years ago and that the Islamist Palestinian movement Hamas is thought to hold their bodies.

In September, a senior Israeli official said that Israel had been holding since the 2014 Gaza war 18 Palestinians from the enclave as well as the bodies of 19 others and “offered to swap them for the bodies of the two Israeli soldiers”.

But Lior Lotan, who is in charge of prisoners and missing persons, said that Hamas rejected the offer.

 

[MattRoxx]

One apartheid state. One country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

Hamas says you're full of shit. This is how Hamas sees and portrays Gaza:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeRlfcLAUII

 

[gryfin]

No, you are lying. The UN recognizes Palestine as a separate country. You yourself have called it an occupation which by definition is a separate country

Exactly. The same country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

One apartheid state.

 

[fuji]

Exactly. The same country rules both including millions through unrelenting violence in violation of international law.

One apartheid state.

You've already admitted it's two different states by calling it an occupation. The UN also recognizes the Palestinians state. Two states is not apartheid and you know it.

You are choosing to lie.

 

[Frankfooter]

In addition to being cockroaches your friends are sick fuckers.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ng-releases-mock-video-of-Israel-soldier.html

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By the bolded text I understand that you think they are sick for not agreeing to the prisoner swap.

Do you support Gaza being run like the world's largest open air prison?
Seems to me that once you stop holding the entire population of Gaza as civilian prisoners, complete with guards on the walls shooting farmers who get too close, you might start fixing up relations between the people. That is if you want to de-escalate the situation, instead of making it worse and creating more of what you are complaining about.

 

[MattRoxx]

There's another option - the 3 state solution. Since Hamas and Fatah cannot cooperate and have very different outlooks:
The Gaza Strip becomes West Palestine.
The old Palestinian settlements in Judea/Samaria area become East Palestine.
Et viola, it's done...

These days even satire and sarcasm are overshadowed by reality of the Republican party and Trump's selections. :frusty:

With regards to Israel/Palestine, (potential Deputy Secretary of State) Bolton thinks the two-state solution is a dead end. Instead, he recently told the Jewish Insider his solution is a “three-state solution” giving Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan with no regard at all for Palestinian political and civil rights. Bolton opposes any action at the United Nations to put pressure on Israel, and has even encouraged defunding the UN over support for Palestinian rights. He has also encouraged Israel to pursue preemptive strikes against Iran.

 

[MattRoxx]

By the bolded text I understand that you think they are sick for not agreeing to the prisoner swap.

Do you support Gaza being run like the world's largest open air prison?
Seems to me that once you stop holding the entire population of Gaza as civilian prisoners, complete with guards on the walls shooting farmers who get too close, you might start fixing up relations between the people. That is if you want to de-escalate the situation, instead of making it worse and creating more of what you are complaining about.

What's wrong with you? You are okay with any amount of violence, torture and degradation Hamas perpetrates.

As for being this "open air prison", Hamas says Gaza is peaceful, pristine and with lots of potential. Not at all the war zone you pretend. What the fuck are you complaining about. You just make shit up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeRlfcLAUII

 

[basketcase]

Not surprising that you only want to look at what you claim are Hamas' goals, instead of looking at what either side does.
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Sadly you seem to think it's okay for Hamas and other to try to kill civilians as long as they aren't too successful. Fuck you really have no morals.