The status quo is the present one state, apartheid state.
There is no state of Palestine at present.
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The One State Solution Resource
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The status quo is the present one state, apartheid state.
There is no state of Palestine at present.
Lately they seem to be getting worse. This past year saw the first Hamas claimed terror attacks in a few years.
2 attacks in the last few years.
By your numbers they are getting much better then they used to be.
Thanks for confirming that.
2 attacks in the last few years.
I think he meant 2 successful attacks. Probably many more failed attacks. What about those Palestinians attacking Israelis with knives, backhoes, garbage trucks, etc.?
Israel thwarts Hamas suicide bombing plot on bus in Jerusalem
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Tue, 11 Oct 2016, 00:15 AM
Security arrested a Hamas operative who planned a number of terrorist attacks in the Jerusalem area, including a suicide bombing on a bus in the capital’s Pisgat Ze’ev neighborhood, authorities announced on Tuesday morning.
The investigation of Muhammad Fuaz Ibrahim Julani revealed that he had discussed a number of attacks with his handlers, including a shooting at the Hizme checkpoint, a bombing at a store in Jerusalem he had formerly worked at, and bombing attacks at high-profile sites in Jerusalem that would cause mass casualties, such as the central bus station and the Malha Mall.
Such high profile targets were ruled out because of their heavy security presence and the Hamas terrorist settled on the Pisgat Ze’ev bus bombing, the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) said.
Julani was instructed to gather the materials necessary to construct the bomb for the attack, many of which he turned over to investigators after his arrest.
He began to construct the device, carrying out explosive experiments until he was eventually caught by his parents.
However, even after this point, he continued in his efforts to build a bomb, traveling to Hebron to purchase additional materials, the Shin Bet said.
Julani and his handlers decided that the attack would be carried out after the Eid al-Adha in mid-September, in order not to disrupt Muslim worshipers from going to Temple Mount.
Julani was given some NIS 7,000 for the cost of the Hebron operation and he filmed a “last will and testament” to be distributed after the attack.
He was arrested before he could carry out the attack, after which he turned in two of his family members who had helped him hide weapons from authorities during his arrest.
It was not the first time that Julani had planned to carry out a terrorist attack. He reportedly told his interrogators that he had planned a stabbing attack in Pisgat Ze’ev a year earlier, but had relented at the last minute for fear authorities would destroy his parents’ home.
The Shin Bet said that the plot bears witness to Hamas’s unceasing efforts to initiate terrorist attacks in Israel and the West Bank by enlisting operatives who are residents of Israel like Julani.
http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Con...8NEU3NjI1RTEzNzhDNUQ0REJGQTY1NjkxM0EzNUNEODU=
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Tue, 11 Oct 2016, 00:15 AM
Security arrested a Hamas operative who planned a number of terrorist attacks in the Jerusalem area, including a suicide bombing on a bus in the capital’s Pisgat Ze’ev neighborhood, authorities announced on Tuesday morning.
The investigation of Muhammad Fuaz Ibrahim Julani revealed that he had discussed a number of attacks with his handlers, including a shooting at the Hizme checkpoint, a bombing at a store in Jerusalem he had formerly worked at, and bombing attacks at high-profile sites in Jerusalem that would cause mass casualties, such as the central bus station and the Malha Mall.
Such high profile targets were ruled out because of their heavy security presence and the Hamas terrorist settled on the Pisgat Ze’ev bus bombing, the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) said.
Julani was instructed to gather the materials necessary to construct the bomb for the attack, many of which he turned over to investigators after his arrest.
He began to construct the device, carrying out explosive experiments until he was eventually caught by his parents.
However, even after this point, he continued in his efforts to build a bomb, traveling to Hebron to purchase additional materials, the Shin Bet said.
Julani and his handlers decided that the attack would be carried out after the Eid al-Adha in mid-September, in order not to disrupt Muslim worshipers from going to Temple Mount.
Julani was given some NIS 7,000 for the cost of the Hebron operation and he filmed a “last will and testament” to be distributed after the attack.
He was arrested before he could carry out the attack, after which he turned in two of his family members who had helped him hide weapons from authorities during his arrest.
It was not the first time that Julani had planned to carry out a terrorist attack. He reportedly told his interrogators that he had planned a stabbing attack in Pisgat Ze’ev a year earlier, but had relented at the last minute for fear authorities would destroy his parents’ home.
The Shin Bet said that the plot bears witness to Hamas’s unceasing efforts to initiate terrorist attacks in Israel and the West Bank by enlisting operatives who are residents of Israel like Julani.
http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Con...8NEU3NjI1RTEzNzhDNUQ0REJGQTY1NjkxM0EzNUNEODU=
2 attacks in the last few years.....
Two terror attacks in the last 9 months. Two disgusting acts of terror on purely civilian targets that you continually try to justify. Hamas proudly took credit for the attacks and celebrated the civilian death toll yet you continue to pretend that Hamas needs a trial.
There is no state of Palestine at present.
I'm well aware of that fact.
Until the Palestinian leadership is prepared to accept the long-term existence of a Jewish state, that's not going to change.
In the real world, there is no "one-state solution."
It's two states or the status quo.
The status quo is the current apartheid one state. It's unsustainable. The overwhelming drive for human freedom and equality will always prevail. It's stronger than any ideology.
In the real world, there is no "one-state solution."
It's two states or the status quo.
There is another possibility: Gaza could go back to Egypt and the rump of the West Bank could go back to Jordan.
While no country wants the Palestinians terrorists, Israel wants the terrorists even less than the Arab countries do. I can see it being a deal where their security costs are compensated by Israel for a period of time.
There's another option - the 3 state solution. Since Hamas and Fatah cannot cooperate and have very different outlooks:
The Gaza Strip becomes West Palestine.
The old Palestinian settlements in Judea/Samaria area become East Palestine.
Et viola, it's done. And if those two factions can ever figure out how to work together they can then unify into one Palestinian entity. Or they can go to war with each other.
But the reality is that the next few years are going to be bad for everyone involved. Trump tweets dismissing the UN and against Muslims, Tillerson as SoS and Friedman as ambassador to Israel...all I can see is ratcheting up of tensions and violence in the region.
Two terror attacks in the last 9 months. Two disgusting acts of terror on purely civilian targets that you continually try to justify. Hamas proudly took credit for the attacks and celebrated the civilian death toll yet you continue to pretend that Hamas needs a trial.
As you said:
This past year saw the first Hamas claimed terror attacks in a few years.
Clearly you've shown that Hamas is willing to stop terror attacks and should no longer be called 'cockroaches' by you, instead you should start negotiating and hearing their side of the story.
I'm well aware of that fact.
Until the Palestinian leadership is prepared to accept the long-term existence of a Jewish state, that's not going to change.
They did that decades ago.
As if the sole reason that Israel would end the violent and oppressive occupation is the attitude of the people they have occupied for half a century.
Has to be the lamest excuse ever.
The status quo is the present one state, apartheid state.
There is no state of Palestine at present.
Non stop lying. Israel is not apartheid and you spamming that lie won't make it so. It just makes you a prolific liar
They did that decades ago.
As if the sole reason that Israel would end the violent and oppressive occupation is the attitude of the people they have occupied for half a century.
Has to be the lamest excuse ever.
Hamas has not recognized Israel's right to exist, and you want Hamas to remain armed. You therefore reject peace.
They did that decades ago.....
Another of your fantasies. The PA said they would accept living beside Israel but outright refused to accept Israel as a Jewish state. Your boys in Hamas on the other hand outright refuse the concept.
Another of your fantasies. The PA said they would accept living beside Israel but outright refused to accept Israel as a Jewish state. Your boys in Hamas on the other hand outright refuse the concept.
Wait, I thought you said Israel was supposed to be a democratic state.
Now you're claiming its a Jewish state instead?
Which is it?
Democratic or Jewish?
It can't be both.
Wait, I thought you said Israel was supposed to be a democratic state.
Now you're claiming its a Jewish state instead?
Which is it?
Democratic or Jewish?
It can't be both.
It's both. Whether or not you like it.
It's both. Whether or not you like it.
Contradiction in terms. Whether you like it or not.
Contradiction in terms. Whether you like it or not.
Nope. A majority of Israeli citizens want a Jewish state.
Nope. A majority of Israeli citizens want a Jewish state.
Funny how you didn't first say that they wanted a democratic state. Hence the contradiction in terms. That's why they militarily occupy and control millions of Palestinians without affording them democratic equality. They would have to share equally. That's what democracy demands. Zionism precludes that.
Which is it?
Democratic or Jewish?
It can't be both.
It can. It is.
And the Palestinians have not agreed to its long-term continuation as a Jewish state.
It can. It is.
And the Palestinians have not agreed to its long-term continuation as a Jewish state.
If its a Jewish state its not a state in which all people have equal rights, by definition.
If its a democratic state, then all 'Arabs' should have the same rights as 'Jews' and others.
They are mutually exclusive.
As Netanyahu explained:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...h-state-vs-democracy-2014112417443270616.htmlIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the bill is necessary because people were challenging the notion of Israel as a Jewish homeland.
Addressing the cabinet, Netanyahu said: "The state of Israel is the nation state of the Jewish People. It has equal individual rights for every citizen and we insist on this.
"But only the Jewish People have national rights: A flag, anthem, the right of every Jew to immigrate to the country, and other national symbols. These are granted only to our people, in its one and only state."
So which is it?
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