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The One State Solution Resource
- Thread starter gryfin
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I hear them,....
And look at you making more excuses (and lying ones at that).
Palestinians hate the One State concept.
And look at you making more excuses (and lying ones at that).
Palestinians hate the One State concept.
Palestinians hate apartheid, which is the present one state solution.
And with roving gangs of supremacists beating on Palestinians, they just aren't happy.
Unfortunately, as your poll noted, nobody thinks the two state solution can happen any more and only 50% of Palestinians even still support the idea of it.
They are stuck with the unpopular one state solution.
Time to make the best of it and give them equal rights.
More evidence that the one state solution has become the reality. Interestingly it's being brought about not only by the unstoppable force of the drive for human freedom and equality but also by the self destructive greed and racism of those looking for Eretz Israel.
"Only Four of 20 Israeli Ministers Openly Declare Support of Two-state Solution
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is currently on the record in support of the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, despite expressing reservations regarding such a two-state solution in the past. But a survey by an Israeli news outlet concluded, despite some evasive responses, that such a policy is only openly supported by a minority of Israel's cabinet ministers.
The informal poll conducted by Walla News showed that only four ministers were clearly on the record in support, nine are clearly against and the position of the seven others remains unknown."
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.727431
"Only Four of 20 Israeli Ministers Openly Declare Support of Two-state Solution
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is currently on the record in support of the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, despite expressing reservations regarding such a two-state solution in the past. But a survey by an Israeli news outlet concluded, despite some evasive responses, that such a policy is only openly supported by a minority of Israel's cabinet ministers.
The informal poll conducted by Walla News showed that only four ministers were clearly on the record in support, nine are clearly against and the position of the seven others remains unknown."
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.727431
I'm always pleased when I see Palestinians writing in favour of one state where all have equal right and voices. Here's a good article making a plea for a single state based on universal human rights from a Palestinian Law Professor at the University of California, George Bisharat:
"Isn’t it time to explore a way for Jews to co-inhabit Israel/Palestine without excluding, dominating and oppressing Palestinians? The past cannot be undone–but the future can be. We, Israelis and Palestinians together, should be seeking to form a society founded on tolerance and mutual respect for each other’s humanity, a country that would truly be the “light unto nations” that Israel always aspired to be. When title to our home is restored–and the rights of its current occupants have been fully respected–I hope one day to stand in front of it with my family and welcome neighbors and visitors of all faiths and backgrounds, as my grandparents did before 1948."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/02/01/two-state-solution-sells-palestine-short/
"Isn’t it time to explore a way for Jews to co-inhabit Israel/Palestine without excluding, dominating and oppressing Palestinians? The past cannot be undone–but the future can be. We, Israelis and Palestinians together, should be seeking to form a society founded on tolerance and mutual respect for each other’s humanity, a country that would truly be the “light unto nations” that Israel always aspired to be. When title to our home is restored–and the rights of its current occupants have been fully respected–I hope one day to stand in front of it with my family and welcome neighbors and visitors of all faiths and backgrounds, as my grandparents did before 1948."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/02/01/two-state-solution-sells-palestine-short/
The Palestinians have no interest in an egalitarian state. If they did they would have accepted the 1947 partition plan which created one.
What you want to do is disband IDF so you can resume the ethnic cleansing that even to this day we hear Palestinians want. Even so called moderates like Abbas say things like any Jews who can't prove they were in Israel before 1917 should be deported, and the more virulent Palestinians want them all dead.
What you want to do is disband IDF so you can resume the ethnic cleansing that even to this day we hear Palestinians want. Even so called moderates like Abbas say things like any Jews who can't prove they were in Israel before 1917 should be deported, and the more virulent Palestinians want them all dead.
And here is another article by Lebanese author Saree Makdisi, professor of English at UCLA:
Forget the two-state solution
"A Jewish state, says Israeli historian Benny Morris, "would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. ... There was no choice but to expel that population." For Morris, this was one of those "circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing."
To resolve the conflict with the Palestinians, Israeli Jews will have to relinquish their exclusive privileges and acknowledge the right of return of Palestinians expelled from their homes. What they would get in return is the ability to live securely and to prosper with -- rather than continuing to battle against -- the Palestinians.
They may not have a choice. As Olmert himself warned recently, more Palestinians are shifting their struggle from one for an independent state to a South African-style struggle that demands equal rights for all citizens, irrespective of religion, in a single state. "That is, of course," he noted, "a much cleaner struggle, a much more popular struggle -- and ultimately a much more powerful one."
I couldn't agree more."
Forget the two-state solution
"A Jewish state, says Israeli historian Benny Morris, "would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. ... There was no choice but to expel that population." For Morris, this was one of those "circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing."
To resolve the conflict with the Palestinians, Israeli Jews will have to relinquish their exclusive privileges and acknowledge the right of return of Palestinians expelled from their homes. What they would get in return is the ability to live securely and to prosper with -- rather than continuing to battle against -- the Palestinians.
They may not have a choice. As Olmert himself warned recently, more Palestinians are shifting their struggle from one for an independent state to a South African-style struggle that demands equal rights for all citizens, irrespective of religion, in a single state. "That is, of course," he noted, "a much cleaner struggle, a much more popular struggle -- and ultimately a much more powerful one."
I couldn't agree more."
Palestinians hate apartheid, which is the present one state solution.....
They hate fire breathing dragons too. Thankfully neither of them are real.
But sure, keep showing 'support' for Palestinians by wanting them forced into something they hate.
They hate fire breathing dragons too. Thankfully neither of them are real.
The charges of apartheid are now in consideration at the ICC.
Or you could ask an expert, like Bishop Tutu.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874
He says Israel is apartheid and worse then South Africa.
Israel is apartheid.
When the history is written about the origins of the one state solution, the self destructive impulses of the occupier will figure large in that investigation.
Israel votes to authorise illegal settler homes in Palestine
"Israel's parliament has voted to retroactively legalise thousands of illegitimate settler homes in outposts built on private Palestinian land, in a highly controversial move described by critics as a “land grab”. The measure, which passed in a stormy Knesset session late on Monday, has been met with international condemnation, and has already strained relations within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing rightwing coalition."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-authorise-illegal-settler-homes-in-palestine
Israel votes to authorise illegal settler homes in Palestine
"Israel's parliament has voted to retroactively legalise thousands of illegitimate settler homes in outposts built on private Palestinian land, in a highly controversial move described by critics as a “land grab”. The measure, which passed in a stormy Knesset session late on Monday, has been met with international condemnation, and has already strained relations within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing rightwing coalition."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-authorise-illegal-settler-homes-in-palestine
When the history is written about the origins of the one state solution, the self destructive impulses of the occupier will figure large in that investigation.
Israel votes to authorise illegal settler homes in Palestine
"Israel's parliament has voted to retroactively legalise thousands of illegitimate settler homes in outposts built on private Palestinian land, in a highly controversial move described by critics as a “land grab”. The measure, which passed in a stormy Knesset session late on Monday, has been met with international condemnation, and has already strained relations within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing rightwing coalition."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-authorise-illegal-settler-homes-in-palestine
Will basketcase or fuji (not that I read his posts since he's on ignore) back this bill, which is a war crime?
Or will basketcase stand by his words?
I am an opponent of the settlement movement.
And I agree that Israel should stop all settlement construction.
Yes, the occupation is the problem.
Will basketcase or fuji (not that I read his posts since he's on ignore) back this bill, which is a war crime?
Or will basketcase stand by his words?
No I don't.
Will you ever admit that your one state farce is driven by something other that the rights of Palestinians since they clearly hate the idea far more than they dislike the Two State concept supported by the UN, the Quartet, the EU, The Arab League, and even Israel?
No I don't.
Are you saying you don't back this bill, your post was unclear?
EU ADOPTING GUIDELINES FOR LABELING ISRAELI SETTLEMENT PRODUCTS
"The European Commission has adopted new guidelines for the labeling of products from Israeli settlements that are sold in the European Union, eliciting the ire of the Israeli government and prompting the Foreign Ministry to summon the EU's envoy to Israel.
The move, that was announced on Wednesday, centres on Israeli producers from the settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War. Israel's occupation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank is not recognized by the European Union and Israeli settlements are deemed illegal under international law.
The guidelines require Israeli producers to label farm and cosmetic goods as originating from a settlement if they are to be exported and sold within the EU. This development means a clear distinction between products made in Israel's internationally-recognized borders and the Israeli settlements will be offered to European consumers."
"The European Commission has adopted new guidelines for the labeling of products from Israeli settlements that are sold in the European Union, eliciting the ire of the Israeli government and prompting the Foreign Ministry to summon the EU's envoy to Israel.
The move, that was announced on Wednesday, centres on Israeli producers from the settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War. Israel's occupation of East Jerusalem and the West Bank is not recognized by the European Union and Israeli settlements are deemed illegal under international law.
The guidelines require Israeli producers to label farm and cosmetic goods as originating from a settlement if they are to be exported and sold within the EU. This development means a clear distinction between products made in Israel's internationally-recognized borders and the Israeli settlements will be offered to European consumers."
This is an important recognition that needs to be acknowledged:
US Backs Right to Boycott Israel - Confirms BDS is Non-Violent and Peaceful
"The US State Department this week joined the European Union, Sweden, Ireland and the Netherlands in recognizing the right to boycott Israel.
But whether this position will survive under the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump is an open question, given his history of erratic statements on the Middle East.
State Department spokesperson Mark Toner was asked on Monday if the US has a view on a bill introduced in the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, that would bar supporters of BDS – boycott, divestment and sanctions – from entering the country.
“Our strong opposition to boycotts and to sanctions of the state of Israel is unchanged and well known,” Toner said.
But then he added, “We value freedom of expression, even in cases where we do not agree with the political views espoused.”
This stance aligns with the formulations of the EU’s top foreign policy official and two of the bloc’s member governments – the Netherlands and Ireland.
By noting that “we don’t believe that individuals or groups that want only to express their political views should be prohibited from doing so,” Toner signaled the US government’s objection to the Israeli legislation.
When asked if he agreed that BDS “is actually a nonviolent, peaceful effort” in support of Palestinian rights, Toner was succinct in his response: “Yes.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/us-backs-right-boycott-israel
US Backs Right to Boycott Israel - Confirms BDS is Non-Violent and Peaceful
"The US State Department this week joined the European Union, Sweden, Ireland and the Netherlands in recognizing the right to boycott Israel.
But whether this position will survive under the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump is an open question, given his history of erratic statements on the Middle East.
State Department spokesperson Mark Toner was asked on Monday if the US has a view on a bill introduced in the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, that would bar supporters of BDS – boycott, divestment and sanctions – from entering the country.
“Our strong opposition to boycotts and to sanctions of the state of Israel is unchanged and well known,” Toner said.
But then he added, “We value freedom of expression, even in cases where we do not agree with the political views espoused.”
This stance aligns with the formulations of the EU’s top foreign policy official and two of the bloc’s member governments – the Netherlands and Ireland.
By noting that “we don’t believe that individuals or groups that want only to express their political views should be prohibited from doing so,” Toner signaled the US government’s objection to the Israeli legislation.
When asked if he agreed that BDS “is actually a nonviolent, peaceful effort” in support of Palestinian rights, Toner was succinct in his response: “Yes.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/us-backs-right-boycott-israel
There will NEVER be a ons state solution expect in the masturbatory dreams of the clowns. Israelis have no interest and the only ones in the Arab world and their supporters who do are those who recognize that what the Palestinians have not been able to achieve militarily, financially or through terrorism they may be able to achieve demographically. You will be having this debate in 100 years unless both the Israelis and Palestinians are prepared to make hard choices and compromises. In the meantime the Palestinian people will be denied their rightful aspirations to a sovereign homeland by leaders who are not prepared to do so. Sad.
There will NEVER be a ons state solution expect in the masturbatory dreams of the clowns. Israelis have no interest and the only ones in the Arab world and their supporters who do are those who recognize that what the Palestinians have not been able to achieve militarily, financially or through terrorism they may be able to achieve demographically. You will be having this debate in 100 years unless both the Israelis and Palestinians are prepared to make hard choices and compromises. In the meantime the Palestinian people will be denied their rightful aspirations to a sovereign homeland by leaders who are not prepared to do so. Sad.
You need to be reminded of your true agenda regarding Palestinians:
Actually, it's Israel's Jews that are being the fed the dream of pushing Palestinians into the sea. The fantasy of a Jewish only Israel is the wet dream of Zionism. And they've been trying to do it for more than 50 years.
LOL. Trying? You mean succeeding. You are a funny clown. Always pathetic and increasingly desperate and silly. Keep up the good work.
After reading that is it any surprise to anyone that you poked your head out of your hole and sputtered about your dislike of one state where everyone is equal?
You need to be reminded of your true agenda regarding Palestinians:
After reading that is it any surprise to anyone that you poked your head out of your hole and sputtered about your dislike of one state where everyone is equal?
You need to be reminded of YOUR true agenda with regard to Jews: you want them dead and you think every Israeli is a legitimate target.
You and your ilk are the reason why there will never be a one state solution and maybe never a two state solution: your seething hatred doesn't admit any possibility of peace with Jews under any solution. Under any solution you think they should be dead or ethnically cleansed.
As posted in the other thread gryf started...
Palestinian opinion from this September:
Q31`) Given the growing belief that the two-state solution is no longer viable,
the idea of one state for two people solution by which Palestinians and Jews
will be citizens of the same state and enjoy equal rights is gaining some
popularity. Do you support or oppose such a one-state solution?
Support: 30.6%
Oppose: 67.3%
http://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll-61-English Full Text desgine.pdf
But why would the anti-Israel crowd care about what Palestinians want?
Well since when you care what they want? You are only sympathetic to their wants if it perpetuates the current conflict. I am pretty sure they don't want to be bombed as well, yet you seem to be quite happy to support that. How do you think a "do you enjoy being bombed by the IDF" survey would read?
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