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The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
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WyattEarp

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Trump has many loans for his business in Russian banks. That is a factor for which he will sell his country to save his ass.

Time, years!, will confirm that i am right on this.
I put this question to another member on another thread who hasn't answered.

What decision of President Trump's regarding Russia do you believe was inappropriate? These "Trump is in Putin's pocket" declarations must manifest themselves in some type of favor.

As far as confirmation, I fear you are just repeating political rhetoric that has you disoriented from overexposure.
 
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WyattEarp

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I really wanted Kamala to win just to tell you what a bad idea it's going to be... because If Justin is doing bad...wait what Kamala can do...
I think if Kamala Harris is elected, she will have to deal with a Republican Senate at a minimum. It's looking like the Democrats' hope of holding Montana is slipping away. Interestingly, Jon Tester the Democratic Senator from Montana has not endorsed Kamala Harris. A Democratic Senator not endorsing the party's Presidential candidate is just one of those things that makes our system different.

Anyway, the U.S. tends to still thrive when both parties have a share of power. You will hear a lot of teeth-gnashing and fear-mongering about this budget and that budget. Kamala wants to do this and that. It's the end of America if she can't.
 
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WyattEarp

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A fact check moderators missed


On Tuesday evening, Trump criticized Harris’s clean energy approaches like reducing fracking and fossil fuel emissions. He claimed those policies do not work and cited Germany as an example.

Germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants. We’re not ready for it. We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision,” Trump added.

But Germany refuted that claim, telling the former president, “Like it or not: Germany’s energy system is fully operational, with more than 50 % renewables. And we are shutting down – not building – coal & nuclear plants. Coal will be off the grid by 2038 at the latest.”

But they have faced setbacks over the last few years when they, controversially, chose to shut down their remaining three nuclear power plants last year and faced potential energy shortage issues at the start of the Ukraine–Russia war.

This meant Germany had to rely more on its coal-powered plants longer than anticipated to avoid a catastrophic shortage and starve-off price increases.

But the country has not built any new coal plants and continues to shut down some each year.
I think this is a heavily skewed and limited interpretation of what is happening with German energy.

The one thing I know of the Continental European governments is that they do not like criticism from the U.S. and will not be forthright about what is happening. Hey, they're politicians too. They're not holy men.
 

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What decision of President Trump's regarding Russia do you believe was inappropriate? These Trump is in Putin declarations must manifest themselves in some type of favor.
Publicly hesitating to provide Ukraine with weapons to defend themselves against further Russian invasions. And using this to try to extort Ukraine into launching an investigation into Biden's son. Never mind, not being righteous and strong enough to increase sanctions against Russia for their continued illegal occupation of Ukraine.

As for some sort of favour... Putin, through HIS banks and oligarchs, have been the leading financier and purchaser of money laundering Trump condo sales to Russians. Trump is financially betrothen to Putin.
 

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Well I can agree with that. Would Trump have negotiated some type of compromise prior to an invasion? We have no idea.

I will say that U.S. Presidents live with the state of foreign affairs they are dealt. As the "leader of the free world" there are tremendous expectations and burdens. I doubt anyone in next year's Canadian elections are going to discuss the Ukrainian conflict a great deal.
Agreed, the war in Ukraine will probably not be debated much in Canada, but there are some right-wingers who echo the US (and Russian financed) views that we should let Ukraine wither on the vine.

As for Trump....I doubt he'd do much to stop Putin. He'd probably put the screws to Ukraine and tell them to give into Russia. I mean, Trump did nothing to address the border battles that were going on since 2014. And, I think only true believers in the Donald would think Putin wouldn't have tried something with Trump as president....
 
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Agreed, the war in Ukraine will probably not be debated much in Canada, but there are some right-wingers who echo the US (and Russian financed) views that we should let Ukraine wither on the vine.

As for Trump....I doubt he'd do much to stop Putin. He'd probably put the screws to Ukraine and tell them to give into Russia. I mean, Trump did nothing to address the border battles that were going on since 2014. And, I think only true believers in the Donald would think Putin wouldn't have tried something with Trump as president....
The only entity truly fighting Russia is the Toronto Film Festival execs who have now banned the showing of one of the movies about Russian soldiers in the war with Ukraine for fear of violence.
Take that Russia! https://tiff.net/tiff-statement-regarding-the-canadian-documentary-russians-at-war

Ironically, part of the funding for the movie came from the Canadian government, ie our tax dollars.

btw I'm wondering when the feds here will introduce a new Russia/Ukraine War tax? Hmmmmm....
 
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btw I'm wondering when the feds here will introduce a new Russia/Ukraine War tax? Hmmmmm....
Income tax is a war measure. We already have it!
 
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WyattEarp

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As for Trump....I doubt he'd do much to stop Putin. He'd probably put the screws to Ukraine and tell them to give into Russia. I mean, Trump did nothing to address the border battles that were going on since 2014. And, I think only true believers in the Donald would think Putin wouldn't have tried something with Trump as president....
That's quite a bit of wishful, revisionist history.

Obama was President in 2014 when Russia took the Crimea and began the border battles in the East.
 

WyattEarp

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Publicly hesitating to provide Ukraine with weapons to defend themselves against further Russian invasions. And using this to try to extort Ukraine into launching an investigation into Biden's son. Never mind, not being righteous and strong enough to increase sanctions against Russia for their continued illegal occupation of Ukraine.
The problem is that delaying the delivery of weapons is not really a decision. As you say, it was merely a hesitation.

Lethal weapon systems were sent to the Ukraine under Trump, but denied under Obama. I would not make too much of that other than to say it disproves the notion that the Trump Administration did not support the Ukraine's military capabilities.
 

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WyattEarp

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This refers to the long-standing for decade Supreme Court decision in Roe. In the Senate hearings each of the new Trump Supreme court nominees said as I recall that a long-standing ruling should not easily be overturned. But they did and in polls about 80% of the US wants to return to the 24 week standard of Roe.
This started because I am telling you there is no codified standard for a 24 week abortion limitation. U.S. Courts do not codify laws.

That's part of the debate.

As far as what people say this current Justice said or didn't say about Roe, there's lots of videos of their hearings particularly discussions about Roe. No offense, but we don't need anyone to tell us what the Justices said in their confirmation hearings.

In general, all justices say something to the effect that they respect stare decisis ("to stand by things decided"). The practical reality is the Supreme Court throughout two plus centuries have overturned decisions. It's not unusual or a violation of some code. No Supreme Court nominee absolutely commits to stare decisis in every case.
 

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So you think rump's tariff plan is skoobid now too?
It's not about any plan...it's about hypocrisy.

You just can't wrap your brain around your own hypocrisy and distract to irrelevant details.
Give it up...your distraction proves your hypocrisy.
 
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