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The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98
Yeah, I hate this about her. First question of the debate was about the current economy and she just tee'd off it onto her canned plan for the future etc. She last points in terms of authenticity for me.
The explanation of why Harris had nothing to do with high inflation which was global and could go on for a long time the reasons. No President caused it and no President can bring down the huge increase of the past in prices in a free enterprise economy based on supply vs demand. Many food prices are determined by global pricing of commodities on the board of trade etc. The FED slowed the out of control hot COVID economy to tame inflation which is now close to the 2% target both in the US and most Western countries.

Further, the role of the VP is to support the role of the President, not make her own

Of course, she supports the great Biden boom economy with some of the lowest unemployment in history. This economy beats all other major economies in GDP growth except China (which has other major issues and is not used to only 8% growth) and Russia, which is fueled by war spending but is expected to drop in 2025. Most of Europe is in or near recession vs the US avoiding it seems even a soft landing with our strong economy even with high interest rates to slow our roaring Biden economy. It is not all due to him but certainly nothing to do with Trump whose policies would stimulate more inflation (including tax cuts for the wealthy and broad tariffs, which are like sales taxes to consumers)

The major Biden spending has been in investments for clean energy, tech manufacturing in the US vs China and so many other good investments for the future and during the COVID payments to avoid poverty and needy folks who could not work. Vs. Trump mess of just tossing out checks to anyone and delayed one big one since he insisted on having his name on it.

YOu can not provide a comprehensive factual answer in a 1-minute limit in the debate stating facts, not the constant string of lies from Trump and his madness, childish name calling for anyone against him and his goal of creating chaos so he can be the strongman dictators he wants to duplicate such as Putin and his love of N Korea, Oberon etc. And, of course, he is following the path of Hitner closely in his con-man misinformation for the sake of power regardless of facts.
 
Why on earth do folks post anything as if it is a fact from social media? This is where the Russians go to plant stories vs honest reporters that fact-check instead of promoting wild conspiracy theories that benefit the lies of the Heil MAGA folks, just like the misinformation of Hitler.

Founded in 2013 by Canadian entrepreneur Chris Pavlovski, Rumble was originally dedicated to hosting viral videos of dogs and cats. The site now claims to push back “against cancel culture and creeping censorship,” hosting shows by Donald Trump Jr. and right-wing personality Steven Crowder. Rumble is also the official streaming partner of the Republican National Committee’s 2024 presidential primary debate.

Rumble’s investors have included JD Vance, a US senator from Ohio, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Peter Thiel, who has contributed heavily to Republican candidates. Elon Musk confidant and tech venture capitalist David Sacks sits on Rumble’s board of directors.

Musk is now joining the cult and passing on baseless information as if it was facts like the Haitis stealing and eating cats and dogs totally discredited but spread all over the corrupt MAGA cult misinformation to create chaos supporting the strongman dictator Trump vs a democracy we have enjoyed. Trump said of the false cat and dog story was because he saw it on social media. Anything crazy gets repeated as if it is real-world facts; it is disgusting to anyone supporting democracy based on facts and truth.
 

dirtydaveiii

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Sure, there would be a one-time raise in prices. If it's business as usual with China, then it should be avoided. It's not business as usual.

As far as the level of price increases, it depends how much of the tax the Chinese eat to stay competitive with other Asian countries, Mexico, etc. If the Chinese eat some of the tax rather than try to raise prices to entirely offset the taxes, that's a net benefit for the U.S. treasury.

I don't know why the Democrats decided to argue about tariffs. I think it's a losing argument for them.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...usinesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
 

NotADcotor

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Mitch, you are making the forum an obsession. Please post less. You don't have to post many redundant tweets with the same point.
And he laughs even at this reasonable suggestion.

It's amazeballs what is allowed and what isn't here.
 
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NotADcotor

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Why?? I'm not wasting my time typing responses, when I realize that over 98% of the participants in the terb politics forum, are left-wingers. I'm a total right-winger, and I'm proud of it!!

I'm a total Trump and a Pierre fan!! I think that both Harris and Justin, are both total losers.....LMAO
So you are only here to proselytize, you are not here to engage in sincere discussion at all. That are you are here to troll as indicated with how you laugh even when other right wingers say you should dial it back and when it is pointed out your sources are lying to you.
 
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I don't know why the Democrats decided to argue about tariffs. I think it's a losing argument for them.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...usinesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
The difference between the Biden Tariffs that modified the Tariff first done by Trump is they are very targeted and limited to certain products vs the current Trump Tariff promise for a worldwide foreign 10 percent tariff and a 60 percent tariff on Chinese goods

Biden's far more limited tariffs are to reshore specific industries, especially those related to national security, such as chips, some technology, and clean energy. They are also associated with sectors believed to be unfair trade and labor policies in some countries (and there are provisions to apply for exemptions).

These costs would be largely passed on to the user they will not be paid by foreign countries as he falsely keeps saying. The idea is to make certain US manufactured goods cheaper than foreign (especially China) imports. So buy US goods and support US manufacturers.

The problem is the balance between US owned supply of stuff vs cheaper prices due to much less costly labor in most other countries. So if we buy US goods at least our labor component of price will be much higher than cheap foreign labor. On the other hand, if you buy foreign the consumer will pay a higher price since includes the Tariff, but will be paid to the US like a sales tax.

Related to the additional wider "Trump II Tariffs this is highlights from The Peterson Institute for International Economics - an independent nonprofit, nonpartisan research organization. It questions whether it would be legal unless Republicans control both houses of Congress.

Trump II Tariffs: Who said he could do that?

Many people appear to assume that, if reelected, former president Donald Trump on day one of his second term would carry out his campaign promise to impose 10 to 20 percent tariffs on all imports. This, combined with his threatened 60 percent tariff on Chinese imports, would cost the typical American household more than $2,600 a year.

Trump doesn’t have the authority to do this. Saying he would be a dictator for a day if reelected doesn’t make him one. Why not? Because the US Constitution says very plainly that Congress, not the president, has the authority to impose tariffs. It is there in black and white. Article 1, Section 8: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, …To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations.” Congress has not delegated the authority to set the level of tariffs and, what’s more, it is unlikely that it could, under our Constitution, do so. It can delegate selectively, not abdicate its role completely.

Trump and the public became accustomed to him doing what he wanted to do with tariffs during his time in office. [long history of Trump Tariffs deleted.]. All of Trump’s tariffs, however, as well as those imposed later by President Biden, were put into place under what was claimed to be a delegation of tariff authority to the president from the Congress. Presidents do not have the power to set those tariffs independently.

[Long discussion of details deleted of how justified prior Tariffs under both Trump and Biden but argues none of these applies to Trump II Tariffs.].

Could a re-elected Trump act first and sort out the legalities later? Wouldn’t a hand-picked Supreme Court rule that somehow additional across-the-board tariffs on all imports from all countries was justified? After all, the Supreme Court in recent years has ruled that voting rights can be curbed, that political contributions can be unlimited in amount, that 50 years of reproductive rights will not be maintained, that deference to administrative agencies is no more, and that the president himself is immune to accountability for his official acts. In other words, a very pliant Supreme Court delivered everything Trump and those who back him would want.

The answer is “no.” Even the justices who favored deference to the executive branch required that there was ambiguity as to whether an agency had authority delegated by Congress before they would defer to the agency’s interpretation of the law.

Here there is no ambiguity. The Constitution is clear. For the constitutional originalists and for the justices who give deference to executive branch agencies alike, there is no scope for determining that Trump can impose blanket tariffs ( the equivalent of taxes on the American people). The wholesale transfer of authority from the Congress to the president would be going too far. Even King George III needed the British Parliament to pass the Stamp Act in 1765. The Supreme Court can act quickly when it has to. Even in a time of war, the Court acted in less than two months to rule that President Harry S. Truman lacked authority to seize the nation’s steel mills during a strike.

Would the courts uphold Trump’s planned 60 percent China tariffs? That is a separate question. The president has, under the Constitution, the power to conduct foreign affairs and the delegated power to act against unfair acts by other countries. Two US presidents have labeled China an unfair trader, and the courts could defer to that finding. Would they defer to a finding that all countries acted unfairly against the United States? That is a harder case to make, depending more on general paranoia than facts. Nixon, who was not paranoid when it came to foreign affairs, was clear there was a national emergency in 1971. Had the retaliatory authority existed then, he could have found that with a dollar pegged at an artificially high level, all trade was unfair. That is not the condition today.

Should America’s trading partners who do not feel vulnerable for other reasons be preparing gifts to buy off a second Trump administration to avoid a blanket 10 to 20 percent tariff? That is questionable. Such a tariff would not stand unless the pro-Trump Republicans gain control of both houses of Congress, in which case, all bets are off.
 

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Why on earth do folks post anything as if it is a fact from social media? This is where the Russians go to plant stories vs honest reporters that fact-check instead of promoting wild conspiracy theories that benefit the lies of the Heil MAGA folks, just like the misinformation of Hitler.

Founded in 2013 by Canadian entrepreneur Chris Pavlovski, Rumble was originally dedicated to hosting viral videos of dogs and cats. The site now claims to push back “against cancel culture and creeping censorship,” hosting shows by Donald Trump Jr. and right-wing personality Steven Crowder. Rumble is also the official streaming partner of the Republican National Committee’s 2024 presidential primary debate.

Rumble’s investors have included JD Vance, a US senator from Ohio, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Peter Thiel, who has contributed heavily to Republican candidates. Elon Musk confidant and tech venture capitalist David Sacks sits on Rumble’s board of directors.

Musk is now joining the cult and passing on baseless information as if it was facts like the Haitis stealing and eating cats and dogs totally discredited but spread all over the corrupt MAGA cult misinformation to create chaos supporting the strongman dictator Trump vs a democracy
we have enjoyed. Trump said of the false cat and dog story was because he saw it on social media. Anything crazy gets repeated as if it is real-world facts; it is disgusting to anyone supporting democracy based on facts and truth.
This is what the "do their own research" crowd thrives on. They consume nonsense and bullshit then make fools of themselves by posting it as if it's actual news.
 

Insidious Von

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How appropriate.

John Leguizamo, the most under-rated comic/actor, guest hosting The Daily Show. JD must be moshing his couch with angry vigour.

 

squeezer

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Why Trump is going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole. Loomer the Groomer is grooming the big orange dumbass.

Analysts discuss how right-wing activist Laura Loomer gained influence over Trump


Imagine MTG is attacking Loomer for going to far. LMAO
 

richaceg

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Trump doesn't really understand tariffs. Anything that's more complicated than getting down on his knees and unzipping Putin's pants is too intellectually challenging at this point in his mental decline.
um...getting down on knees and unzipping pants....are we still talking about Trump or Kamala at this point? 😂 😂
 

squeezer

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You don't know shit once again...as soon as Biden took office...Putin had the courage to attack Ukraine....something they can't do with Trump in the whitehouse...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....my god Ritchie. I'm going to leave this article here. Please read it, and absorb it, it will possibly change your perspective or maybe not, you maybe to far and deep into the spin of the black hole.


 

Mr Deeds

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Here
Caught this on YouTube this morning. Thought it was cleaver
 

jalimon

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You don't know shit once again...as soon as Biden took office...Putin had the courage to attack Ukraine....something they can't do with Trump in the whitehouse...
putin was waiting for winter olympics to be over before his invasion. had to do shit with Trump or Biden.
 
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