The Great Debate

[WyattEarp]

I don't think I'm irritated, I'm just stating facts. Think of it at the time, back in 2014. Europe did not want to intervene, so the US was limited in its response to the annexation of Crimea. I only raise it as a point of contention that will certainly be on the docket during any eventual peace negotiations. Ukraine says Crimea is theres, and will not accept losing it. The same for their border territories that Russia has been meddling in for about a decade now.

I'm not disagreeing with facts. I'm disagreeing with the narrative that you shaped around the facts. Effective narratives are always built on some facts. That's what makes cable news commentators dangerous.

If people believe President Obama was tougher on Russia than Trump, that's fine but it is an opinion.

 

[bver_hunter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835363627328520215

Fake news. Tony West is Kamala Harris's Brother-in-Law!!

Tony West negotiated that $13 billion JPMorgan settlement. Here’s what he has to say about it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/11/21/tony-west-negotiated-that-13-billion-jpmorgan-settlement-heres-what-he-has-to-say-about-it/

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835778062257922417

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835717973069197484

The Rhetoric, Lies, as exemplified by the false statements made by Comrade Kamala Harris during the rigged and highly partisan ABC Debate, and all of the ridiculous lawsuits specifically designed to inflict damage on Joe’s, then Kamala’s, Political Opponent, ME, has taken politics in our Country to a whole new level of Hatred, Abuse, and Distrust. Because of this Communist Left Rhetoric, the bullets are flying, and it will only get worse! Allowing millions of people, from places unknown, to INVADE and take over our Country, is an unpardonable sin. OUR BORDERS MUST BE CLOSED, AND THE TERRORISTS, CRIMINALS, AND MENTALLY INSANE, IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM AMERICAN CITIES AND TOWNS, DEPORTED BACK TO THEIR COUNTIES OF ORIGIN. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, BUT THEY MUST LOVE OUR NATION, AND COME IN LEGALLY AND THROUGH A SYSTEM OF MERIT. THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT US AS FOOLS, THEY ARE STEALING OUR JOBS AND OUR WEALTH. WE CANNOT LET THEM LAUGH ANY LONGER. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

 

[WyattEarp]

he was at some point and has backed off that position.
She is still in favor of better health insurance/coverage and more people having access.

Kamala is for more affordable housing too. That's greatt!

Yes.
But Trump has also proposed no plan, and instead promised one for 9 years.
He tried to get the ACA repealed without a replacement plan in place.
What he has discussed more than in general waving terms is a return to a private system that everyone loathed.

The ACA is a lot of things. It's partly a welfare program. That doesn't make it bad. It's also an insurance mandate which on some level was necessary.

The ACA wasn't popular in 2016. It's gotten more popular. This is probably because a lot of people have just come to accept it and many of them aren't impacted by it directly. I know some self-employed people who don't like the program. They always had insurance, but now Obamacare dictates many aspects of their insurance.

I'm not saying the ACA is a bad program, but not everyone is/was happy with it.

As far as Trump not having a replacement plan in place, I think practically speaking it came down to there was no consensus in Congress on how to replace it. Unfortunately, our legislature is not designed to handle all the details of a large complex issue like healthcare.

 

[bver_hunter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835778062257922417

Bahahahahaha. Apologize to Trump? Really??

Since when has Trump really apologized for false allegations against Religious and Ethnic minorities, the Media, Those receiving threats at ballot counting offices, Women that he has assaulted, crimes that he committed etc?

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835373304879747183

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835660273635475901

 

[Skoob]

I will give you an article from Forbes that will bend over backwards to show the Right in a good light but even they can't sing the praise of Trump over Biden's record. Take your partisan-blinded goggles off and have a read but remember, Forbes skews towards your side.

Remember, INFLATION isn't any leader's fault coming out of the pandemic and wars outside of their control. Gas, groceries etc...would have all gone up had Trump the Stump won a second term.

How The Economy Really Fared Under Biden/Harris And Trump—From Jobs To Inflation (Final Update)

The final economic data is in ahead of the election—here's what the numbers say about the Trump and Biden/Harris economies.

www.forbes.com

You really don't have a leg to stand on in terms of credibility after trying to peddle misinformation about US soldier deaths being higher under Trump than Biden.
That aside, "would have, could have, should have"...doesn't sound like a good argument.

Fact is, if you remove wars, global economic factors, etc...then what are you really comparing or trying to say here?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Apparently we are all wrong and rump won the debate.
He said so himself.

I can't believe ABC gave Harris the questions, no reasonable presidential candidate could have expected questions on the economy or abortion.

"One person of extraordinary genius". lololol.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835385498392547452

 

[bver_hunter]

 

[Skoob]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835385498392547452

With the left controlling most major media outlets it's no surprise.

 

[bver_hunter]

 

[bver_hunter]

 

[Skoob]

Occupy Democrats???

They have a long history of either stretching the truth (or lie) or just lying completely...
Here's a sample...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=occupy-democrats

 

[bver_hunter]

Occupy Democrats???

They have a long history of either stretching the truth (or lie) or just lying completely...
Here's a sample...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=occupy-democrats

Listen, tell us what is fake when this is mentioned from Denver Riggleman a Republican's own mouth?

You guys hate the actual facts, and keep on loving all the fake posts from Mitchell's sources!!

 

[squeezer]

...then what are you really comparing or trying to say here?

That anyone who would pick a 78-year-old convicted felon/rapist over a 59-year-old accomplished attorney/senator/VP is insane and should be committed is exactly what I am saying.

 

[Skoob]

Listen, tell us what is fake when this is mentioned from Denver Riggleman a Republican's own mouth?

You guys hate the actual facts, and keep on loving all the fake posts from Mitchell's sources!!

Sounds like the usual whataboutism considering you posted something from that sham Occupy Democrats...unless you meant to share a post from that shady source?

Or is this the usual righteous left accusing others of what they themselves actually do?

Just curious.

 

[Skoob]

That anyone who would pick a 78-year-old convicted felon/rapist over a 59-year-old accomplished attorney/senator/VP is insane and should be committed is exactly what I am saying.

Someone who gets sucked in by a party that essentially conducted a coup and had their leader "step aside" after hiding his mental state for years should be committed.