The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98

WyattEarp

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C'mon, Earp. The "both sides"-ing is inane.

Does Harris lie and obfuscate to win the election?..... Yuh. All politicians do that. It's the game.

But she's competent and not senile or obviously corrupt. And he's an old freak who rambles inanely about Haitians eating pets and tried to launch a coup in 2021.

You vote quality of the human being as much as policy. She seems smart, organized, experienced and pretty solid.

And he's a silly, senile old shitbag in clown makeup. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤪
Good post.
 
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jalimon

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The Haitians are legal immigrants. He can't kick them out.

If he targets the Haitians, they will launch a slam dunk "denial of civil rights" mega-lawsuit that will make Jean Carroll and his other assinine legal capers look mild in comparison.

He can't touch the Haitians. He's fucked.

It's not like we're back in Nazi Germany and it's Hitler targeting the Jews. There's a little thing called the US Constitution.
10 years ago i am in Orlando. Need to get to convention center. i ask the dude beside me outside the hotel where he was going. Same place. We shared the cab. I paid telling him my company will reimburse. He spotted my french accent. Start to talk to me in french. He said he was from Haiti and add many family in Quebec. Turned out his uncle was the guy that helped me extra time to pass that fucking algebra math 203 course i was about to fail.

Life is amazing.

Any time i hear someone calling immigrant aliens i get upset.

Does not mean we should accept them all. We have no more capacity for it. But calling them aliens is disrespectful and creepy.
 

mandrill

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Probably so for many, but it presumes that every Haitian came here properly. Most Americans believe there are too many immigrants coming here improperly.
If he wants to deploy a disproportionate % of the resources of the state in a search-and-deport crusade against illegals, it becomes a political issue as to whether he underfunds other necessary programs and whether he gets pushback from border states who covertly employ those illegals in low wage jobs.

The Haitians in Springfield appear to be legal and hard working.
 

squeezer

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The Haitians are legal immigrants. He can't kick them out.

If he targets the Haitians, they will launch a slam dunk "denial of civil rights" mega-lawsuit that will make Jean Carroll and his other assinine legal capers look mild in comparison.

He can't touch the Haitians. He's fucked.

It's not like we're back in Nazi Germany and it's Hitler targeting the Jews. There's a little thing called the US Constitution.
Shhhhhh, Eddie is sleeping it off today. He will be fine on Monday.
 

SchlongConery

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You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but you're not entitled to bring your vitriol.

Do you think you are the first guy on social media that felt so strongly about their beliefs that they felt it important to lash out at other members? They unfortunately force the moderators to put them down. I'm sure they often repackage themselves and return.

Let's simplify this. Of the policies Harris has made clear, I do not care for most of them. Her Senate voting record was too extreme and now she is trying to reshape her past. As I said before with Trump, WYSIWYG. With Harris, some of it is opaque.

We can go days having exchanges about the U.S. economy. Members here can tell us how great it is based on what they read and hear in Canada. That doesn't change how Americans feel about the economy. I can't change the fact that a majority of Americans trust Trump in regards to the economy over Harris. The economy as we all know is a powerful force in shaping U.S. elections.
So you don't talk policy.
 

dirtydaveiii

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Do you know the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? Also, why would one send a legal immigrant from Haiti to Venezuela? Is this a new Trumpy policy??

As much as I would love to call you a few good names I don't because I don't want to get banned. I shouldn't be telling you this, never mind, you just be you.
It's pretty black and white to shithead racists like Ed the cock
 

Big Rig

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Since the debate it seems Duck Donald is spiraling further down the rabbit hole;

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Trump since the debate has spouted off conspiracy theories and rewrites history to aggrandize himself and denigrate others at a fierce level

He insists he never loses. He never lost the 2020 election and won big in the debate


On Friday night, during a rally in Las Vegas that was replete with baseless claims about a variety of topics, he spun up the tale that Harris was receiving the questions during the debate, elevating a conspiracy theory that popped up on social media, he falsely claimed she had hearing devices in her earrings, that she was being coached on what to say in real time. He did it in classic Trump style, citing unspecified hearsay as proof


He is going to have a massive sweep of those who stole the election and of migrants

And, oh yeah, he thinks it is important to tell everyone he hates taylor swift

His meglomania is getting worse and the debate did it
 
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bver_hunter

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The only one spreading Hate Messages is Trump himself:

Trump says he hates Taylor Swift after she endorses Kamala Harris
Before announcing his feelings, ex-president had posted AI images suggesting Swift had endorsed him for president

 
The Haitians are legal immigrants. He can't kick them out.
It's not like we're back in Nazi Germany and it's Hitler targeting the Jews. There's a little thing called the US Constitution.
As are most "undocumented immigrants, Trump etc, call "illegal." However, they are legal as refugees under PL170 and Immigration law. They apply and get papers for a Court date to review their refugee claim. The problem with a shortage of immigration judges is that their Court date may be 2-5 years. Now, with Biden, most have to apply via the app while outside of the country (Mexico) to get pre-reviewed before being allowed into the US. Otherwise, I will be turned away if I slip in. We do not have open borders, and it's just a political lie to use to deceive folks.

Trump admires Hitler and is preparing the US very much like how Hitler got his Nazi followers with lies, misinformation, and conspiracy silliness. His niece confirms Trump has Hitler's books in his bedroom.
 
HAPPENING NOW: The Kamala Campaign is in big trouble now. The whistleblower affidavit has been released showing that ABC colluded with the Kamala campaign, proving illegal collusion. This is textbook fascism and should result in Kamala Harris immediately being removed from the ballot. This should be resolved before the election so we know the exact extent before voting. At this point, how can anyone call themselves anti fascist and vote for Harris/Walz?
Looks like possibly the $10m for Russian false information is being poured out here. Regarding the Affidavit:

REAL or FAKE? The ABC News whistleblower's affidavit has been released and there is an ongoing debate about its authenticity

The document doesn't contain many obvious grammatical or spelling errors, but some of the phrasing is awkward or overly informal for a legal affidavit. Affidavits are typically very formal documents, and any sloppiness can signal potential problems:

Example 2: "where issues that were important to everyday Americans would be discussed": The phrase "everyday Americans" is a colloquialism more often found in political rhetoric or news commentary than in legal documents. While this isn’t inherently incorrect, it is not typical for legal affidavits to use such informal language.

Example 3: "Chief Executive Officers of my employer": While this isn’t grammatically wrong, a lawyer drafting such a document would more likely use "executives" or name specific roles rather than this awkward phrasing.

"significant concerns about potential retribution" feels like jargon that a layperson might use when trying to sound "legal" without understanding the proper terminology. It’s worth asking whether a lawyer would use such language.

Inconsistent Formality
In legal documents, tone consistency is key. This document flips between formal legal language and informal colloquial expressions, which raises concerns.

Example: "For the record, I do not endorse Donald Trump..." A lawyer would likely phrase this in a more formal manner, like "It is noted that the affiant does not endorse Donald Trump..." The current phrasing feels like it is designed for media consumption or the court of public opinion, rather than an official affidavit.

Inclusion of specifics: Normally, legal affidavits provide facts, not opinions or generalized observations like "many employees of ABC who were looking for a fair and honest debate." Such language doesn’t belong in an affidavit and sounds more like an op-ed or public commentary.

Unprofessional Content and Tone
Allegations without evidence: The document makes several serious allegations, such as claims about bias and specific restrictions imposed by the Harris campaign. However, these are presented as factual but without the kind of backing or documentation you'd expect in an affidavit. If this were meant for legal purposes, there would likely be more effort to cite specific communications, dates, names, etc.

Unusual Evidence Documentation: The statement about sending a certified letter to oneself and keeping it unopened, as well as mailing an unopened Federal Express package to themselves, feels strange. While it's a method used in some cases to establish a paper trail, it’s an antiquated practice when modern communication methods (e.g., timestamped emails) are widely available and reliable. The focus on "remaining unopened for any future investigations" feels almost like a theatrical gesture rather than a necessary legal step.

Affirmation Process and Scope of Documentation
Certified letter to Speaker Mike Johnson: This might raise suspicion. If this were a legitimate whistleblower case involving potential media bias, why is the letter being sent to the Speaker of the House? It could be perceived as a political move rather than a formal, legal whistleblower process.

Timing: The affidavit is sworn just one day before the scheduled debate, and all the documentation is tied to a very tight timeline. This raises questions about why this was only documented at the last minute. If the whistleblower had these concerns for a while, why not come forward earlier to ensure the issues are addressed?

General legal structure: The document lacks certain key components of a well-drafted affidavit. For example, affidavits normally focus heavily on factual information, with clear and numbered paragraphs laying out the affiant’s statements. This document reads more like a narrative. It also does not clearly distinguish between observed facts and hearsay/opinion, which is essential in affidavits.

Verification: The final section, where the affiant states they are making the affidavit under penalty of perjury, is standard, but there’s no indication in this version that it was witnessed by a notary public. (This could just be redacted, but it’s worth noting.) Additionally, the affidavit lacks legal specificity in asserting the consequences of false statements—affidavits often emphasize the legal weight of "perjury" more directly.

While there are no glaring spelling errors or wildly incorrect grammar, the overall tone and structure suggest the document was not written by a professional lawyer accustomed to drafting legal affidavits. The mix of informal language, opinion-based statements, vague claims without strong backing, and the emphasis on political theater rather than legal procedure raises several red flags. It is possible this document was designed to serve more as a political statement or public relations tool than a formal legal whistleblower affidavit, which would require much more precision and rigor.

This document contains elements that may indeed point to it being a hoax or, at the very least, a politically motivated piece rather than a legitimate legal submission.

Black Insurrectionist--I FOLLOW BACK TRUE PATRIOTS
@DocNetyoutube
 

mandrill

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HAPPENING NOW: The Kamala Campaign is in big trouble now. The whistleblower affidavit has been released showing that ABC colluded with the Kamala campaign, proving illegal collusion. This is textbook fascism and should result in Kamala Harris immediately being removed from the ballot. This should be resolved before the election so we know the exact extent before voting. At this point, how can anyone call themselves anti fascist and vote for Harris/Walz?
Why tf would ABC do that, Mitch?

They dgaf who wins the election. They just want ratings for running debates.
 

mandrill

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HAPPENING NOW: The Kamala Campaign is in big trouble now. The whistleblower affidavit has been released showing that ABC colluded with the Kamala campaign, proving illegal collusion. This is textbook fascism and should result in Kamala Harris immediately being removed from the ballot. This should be resolved before the election so we know the exact extent before voting. At this point, how can anyone call themselves anti fascist and vote for Harris/Walz?
So Mitch, wtf is the point of this hoaky affidavit being released if the name of the deponent and the notary are blacked out?

Does anything shit its pants more blatantly as horseshit than a "leak" that is anonymized???

Surely if the deponent was serious, he would come out in public and quit his job.
 
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mandrill

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Looks like possibly the $10m for Russian false information is being poured out here. Regarding the Affidavit:

REAL or FAKE? The ABC News whistleblower's affidavit has been released and there is an ongoing debate about its authenticity

The document doesn't contain many obvious grammatical or spelling errors, but some of the phrasing is awkward or overly informal for a legal affidavit. Affidavits are typically very formal documents, and any sloppiness can signal potential problems:

Example 2: "where issues that were important to everyday Americans would be discussed": The phrase "everyday Americans" is a colloquialism more often found in political rhetoric or news commentary than in legal documents. While this isn’t inherently incorrect, it is not typical for legal affidavits to use such informal language.

Example 3: "Chief Executive Officers of my employer": While this isn’t grammatically wrong, a lawyer drafting such a document would more likely use "executives" or name specific roles rather than this awkward phrasing.

"significant concerns about potential retribution" feels like jargon that a layperson might use when trying to sound "legal" without understanding the proper terminology. It’s worth asking whether a lawyer would use such language.

Inconsistent Formality
In legal documents, tone consistency is key. This document flips between formal legal language and informal colloquial expressions, which raises concerns.

Example: "For the record, I do not endorse Donald Trump..." A lawyer would likely phrase this in a more formal manner, like "It is noted that the affiant does not endorse Donald Trump..." The current phrasing feels like it is designed for media consumption or the court of public opinion, rather than an official affidavit.

Inclusion of specifics: Normally, legal affidavits provide facts, not opinions or generalized observations like "many employees of ABC who were looking for a fair and honest debate." Such language doesn’t belong in an affidavit and sounds more like an op-ed or public commentary.

Unprofessional Content and Tone
Allegations without evidence: The document makes several serious allegations, such as claims about bias and specific restrictions imposed by the Harris campaign. However, these are presented as factual but without the kind of backing or documentation you'd expect in an affidavit. If this were meant for legal purposes, there would likely be more effort to cite specific communications, dates, names, etc.

Unusual Evidence Documentation: The statement about sending a certified letter to oneself and keeping it unopened, as well as mailing an unopened Federal Express package to themselves, feels strange. While it's a method used in some cases to establish a paper trail, it’s an antiquated practice when modern communication methods (e.g., timestamped emails) are widely available and reliable. The focus on "remaining unopened for any future investigations" feels almost like a theatrical gesture rather than a necessary legal step.

Affirmation Process and Scope of Documentation
Certified letter to Speaker Mike Johnson: This might raise suspicion. If this were a legitimate whistleblower case involving potential media bias, why is the letter being sent to the Speaker of the House? It could be perceived as a political move rather than a formal, legal whistleblower process.

Timing: The affidavit is sworn just one day before the scheduled debate, and all the documentation is tied to a very tight timeline. This raises questions about why this was only documented at the last minute. If the whistleblower had these concerns for a while, why not come forward earlier to ensure the issues are addressed?

General legal structure: The document lacks certain key components of a well-drafted affidavit. For example, affidavits normally focus heavily on factual information, with clear and numbered paragraphs laying out the affiant’s statements. This document reads more like a narrative. It also does not clearly distinguish between observed facts and hearsay/opinion, which is essential in affidavits.

Verification: The final section, where the affiant states they are making the affidavit under penalty of perjury, is standard, but there’s no indication in this version that it was witnessed by a notary public. (This could just be redacted, but it’s worth noting.) Additionally, the affidavit lacks legal specificity in asserting the consequences of false statements—affidavits often emphasize the legal weight of "perjury" more directly.

While there are no glaring spelling errors or wildly incorrect grammar, the overall tone and structure suggest the document was not written by a professional lawyer accustomed to drafting legal affidavits. The mix of informal language, opinion-based statements, vague claims without strong backing, and the emphasis on political theater rather than legal procedure raises several red flags. It is possible this document was designed to serve more as a political statement or public relations tool than a formal legal whistleblower affidavit, which would require much more precision and rigor.

This document contains elements that may indeed point to it being a hoax or, at the very least, a politically motivated piece rather than a legitimate legal submission.

Black Insurrectionist--I FOLLOW BACK TRUE PATRIOTS
@DocNetyoutube
See my comments above.
 
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