The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 71 78.0%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Total voters
    91

Bucktee

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Trump messed up abortion issue as 80% of voters want their rights
He didn't mess it up. He stood on the principles of the constitution, whether it's popular or not. Mass deportations may also be unpopular but he's drawn a line in the sand.

That's the difference between him and anything-goes Kamala. She'll support whatever she thinks is popular at any given time.
 

ogibowt

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can i stipulate that Trump is truly a horrendous repugnant human being...................good.. i feel better now
but it matters not who won a debate
it matters not the concept of Democracy
it matters not abortion rights
it matters to voters all around the world their self interest,,,which means pocket book issues and the economy

i truly hope Harris wins....but unless she can convince voters about her economic vision and policies that it entails , she will lose
voters will turn and hold their nose and vote for a life long con artist and flim flam man.....God help America and the world if that happens
 

SchlongConery

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So you don't talk policy.

Oh fuck off with that nimrod, wannabe intellectual act.

He HAS no "policy" except to further his own sense of grandiosity.

Healthcare? His "great" plan? He's had NINE years to set out ANY policy and the ONLY thing he accomplished was to get Roe v. Wade overturned... ONLY to further his own interests by feeding his base. He couldn't even LEAD anything on COVID except division. Takes credit for a vaccine, yet fans the flames of the conspiricy theorists.

Immigration? He managed to get a few hundred (at most) miles of fence built. Nothing else. No vision or ideas on how to deal with existing illegal immigrants or future ones. NOTHING except word salad at Rallies (his own jerk-off sessions) designed to dog whistle the inner racist iin his followers who longed for the days of (white) Leave it to Beaver. Except none of these mutts remember that the Italians, Irish, Catholics, Polish and other white immigrants were the target of anti-immigration then.

Taxes? Gave the RICHEST people a huge tax cut and NOTHING for the average Joe or family. NOTHING.

CHYNA? Tarriffs? He doesn't understand that ALL that money is passed on and paid for by the American CONSUMER.

And NONE of that is meaningful "policy" to lead a government and country as complex as the United States. It is the largest, most complex and sophisticated government, economy and country in the world. Led by a con-artist TV celebrity pussy grabbing bald faced liar.

So, no, there is no "policy" to talk meaningfully about with Trump. Because his followers see and hear what they want to see and hear in his words.
 

bver_hunter

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The anti-abortion activist urging followers to abandon Trump
Among the more than 67 million people who tuned in to the first US presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris was Lila Rose.

The young and charismatic founder of the anti-abortion group Live Action had hoped for big things from the Republican candidate: a bold display of anti-abortion beliefs and a promise to turn those beliefs into law.

She was quickly disappointed. While Trump criticised Democrats’ “extreme” abortion policies, he refused to take a position on a national ban, saying instead that the issue should be left to the states.

And he called himself a “leader” on IVF, putting himself at odds with Ms Rose and many in her movement, who oppose the procedure because it often involves destroying embryos.

“It was painful to watch,” Ms Rose said of Trump’s performance.

Ms Rose, 36, had always had reservations about Trump’s anti-abortion bona fides, after years of shifting positions (including previously declaring himself pro-choice) and his openness to what she called “concerning compromises”. But she, like most in her movement, had been encouraged by his first term and the three Trump-appointed Supreme Court nominees who went on to overturn Roe v Wade and end the nationwide right to abortion.

Then Trump changed course, and her disillusionment with the former president swelled. Now on his third White House run, Trump seems to be working to appeal to all sides.

He hinted he would sign federal abortion legislation, before later walking it back. He called the state-wide restrictions that came into place after Roe v Wade fell “a beautiful thing”. But later, he said abortion bans early in pregnancy went too far, suggesting Republican candidates needed to be moderate enough on the issue to “win elections”.

This summer, during the Democratic National Convention, the former president posted a statement online saying his future administration would be “great for women and their reproductive rights” - language typically used by pro-choice activists.

By late August, Ms Rose had had enough, telling her more than one million followers that Trump was “making it impossible” to vote for him.

 

dirtydaveiii

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Odd how all these videos of dead cats are surfacing a week after the controversy started and not before and how no one ever called the cops and said their pet was missing. :confused:

Just putting it out there and asking questions....
If Haiti kicked out all the black people and was white only it would be a MAGA utopia. No government, lots of guns and a successful coup. What more could they ask for ?
 

squeezer

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BABIES are being killed after they are born!!

FACT CHECK: nonsense and bullshit but Megan Kelly can't accept the truth and makes a silly ass out of herself again. (she is hot though)


 
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ogibowt

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Oh fuck off with that nimrod, wannabe intellectual act.

He HAS no "policy" except to further his own sense of grandiosity.

Healthcare? His "great" plan? He's had NINE years to set out ANY policy and the ONLY thing he accomplished was to get Roe v. Wade overturned... ONLY to further his own interests by feeding his base. He couldn't even LEAD anything on COVID except division. Takes credit for a vaccine, yet fans the flames of the conspiricy theorists.

Immigration? He managed to get a few hundred (at most) miles of fence built. Nothing else. No vision or ideas on how to deal with existing illegal immigrants or future ones. NOTHING except word salad at Rallies (his own jerk-off sessions) designed to dog whistle the inner racist iin his followers who longed for the days of (white) Leave it to Beaver. Except none of these mutts remember that the Italians, Irish, Catholics, Polish and other white immigrants were the target of anti-immigration then.

Taxes? Gave the RICHEST people a huge tax cut and NOTHING for the average Joe or family. NOTHING.

CHYNA? Tarriffs? He doesn't understand that ALL that money is passed on and paid for by the American CONSUMER.

And NONE of that is meaningful "policy" to lead a government and country as complex as the United States. It is the largest, most complex and sophisticated government, economy and country in the world. Led by a con-artist TV celebrity pussy grabbing bald faced liar.

So, no, there is no "policy" to talk meaningfully about with Trump. Because his followers see and hear what they want to see and hear in his words.
great rant Shlong.....well done and well said
 

mandrill

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The Haitians are going to suffer under Trump. They will wish they could be back in Haiti. That’s reality man. Whatever garbage you said is just a message board post of you trying to make a joke.

I’m not mitch or the other righties on this board. While I respect their view, most of them are in Canada and have no exposure to anything going on in the US. This isn’t a joke to me.

And with that, I’m out. See you guys next week. Don’t have the time like most of you do to talk about another country’s politics.
The Haitians are legal immigrants. He can't kick them out.

If he targets the Haitians, they will launch a slam dunk "denial of civil rights" mega-lawsuit that will make Jean Carroll and his other assinine legal capers look mild in comparison.

He can't touch the Haitians. He's fucked.

It's not like we're back in Nazi Germany and it's Hitler targeting the Jews. There's a little thing called the US Constitution.
 

mandrill

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He is absolutely all that. But let's place things in a bit of context. I would place the trio of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in a far harsher light for not only the amount of unnecessary deaths they started in Iraq, Afghanistan that led into spillover in Syria, Libya and led to the migrant crisis, also the maimings, PTSD, Opiod addictions, suicides, homelessness, family breakups and other issues that arose.

I would place ALL the politicians who refused to pay for the 9/11Ground Zero clean up medical bills as just as despicable. I know men suffering from the burn pits. Hell even Biden's Son contracted Cancer and died and STILL no acknowledgement in a concrete way.

We speak normalized bad behavior. That my friend is the real definition of it.
The democrats caused Assad tear-gassing his own people and the civil war in Syria??......

Yeah. Good one!! 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😯
 
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WyattEarp

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Oh fuck off with that nimrod, wannabe intellectual act.

He HAS no "policy" except to further his own sense of grandiosity.

Healthcare? His "great" plan? He's had NINE years to set out ANY policy and the ONLY thing he accomplished was to get Roe v. Wade overturned... ONLY to further his own interests by feeding his base. He couldn't even LEAD anything on COVID except division. Takes credit for a vaccine, yet fans the flames of the conspiricy theorists.

Immigration? He managed to get a few hundred (at most) miles of fence built. Nothing else. No vision or ideas on how to deal with existing illegal immigrants or future ones. NOTHING except word salad at Rallies (his own jerk-off sessions) designed to dog whistle the inner racist iin his followers who longed for the days of (white) Leave it to Beaver. Except none of these mutts remember that the Italians, Irish, Catholics, Polish and other white immigrants were the target of anti-immigration then.

Taxes? Gave the RICHEST people a huge tax cut and NOTHING for the average Joe or family. NOTHING.You

CHYNA? Tarriffs? He doesn't understand that ALL that money is passed on and paid for by the American CONSUMER.

And NONE of that is meaningful "policy" to lead a government and country as complex as the United States. It is the largest, most complex and sophisticated government, economy and country in the world. Led by a con-artist TV celebrity pussy grabbing bald faced liar.

So, no, there is no "policy" to talk meaningfully about with Trump. Because his followers see and hear what they want to see and hear in his words.
You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but you're not entitled to bring your vitriol.

Do you think you are the first guy on social media that felt so strongly about their beliefs that they felt it important to lash out at other members? They unfortunately force the moderators to put them down. I'm sure they often repackage themselves and return.

Let's simplify this. Of the policies Harris has made clear, I do not care for most of them. Her Senate voting record was too extreme and now she is trying to reshape her past. As I said before with Trump, WYSIWYG. With Harris, some of it is opaque.

We can go days having exchanges about the U.S. economy. Members here can tell us how great it is based on what they read and hear in Canada. That doesn't change how Americans feel about the economy. I can't change the fact that a majority of Americans trust Trump in regards to the economy over Harris. The economy as we all know is a powerful force in shaping U.S. elections.
 
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mandrill

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So you don't talk policy.
C'mon, Earp. The "both sides"-ing is inane.

Does Harris lie and obfuscate to win the election?..... Yuh. All politicians do that. It's the game.

But she's competent and not senile or obviously corrupt. And he's an old freak who rambles inanely about Haitians eating pets and tried to launch a coup in 2021.

You vote quality of the human being as much as policy. She seems smart, organized, experienced and pretty solid.

And he's a silly, senile old shitbag in clown makeup. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤪
 

WyattEarp

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The Haitians are legal immigrants. He can't kick them out.
Probably so for many, but it presumes that every Haitian came here properly. Most Americans believe there are too many immigrants coming here improperly.
 

WyattEarp

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C'mon, Earp. The "both sides"-ing is inane.

Does Harris lie and obfuscate to win the election?..... Yuh. All politicians do that. It's the game.

But she's competent and not senile or obviously corrupt. And he's an old freak who rambles inanely about Haitians eating pets and tried to launch a coup in 2021.

You vote quality of the human being as much as policy. She seems smart, organized, experienced and pretty solid.

And he's a silly, senile old shitbag in clown makeup. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤪
Good post.
 
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