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Population increase, decrease etc do not matter. The definition of genocide:

Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts fall into five categories:
  1. Killing members of the group
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Per the definition of genocide, you only need to commit 1 of the 5 crimes, with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.

Israel has time and again, both shown intent (their own politicians have) and committed atleast 3 of the 5 crimes above.
Statutory interpretation is obviously not your strong point.
 

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I dont have to interpret anything when genocide is happening right in front of my eyes.
You are misreading or misunderstanding the definition. By your own post you are showing that whatever is happening in Gaza i is not genocide.
 

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You are misreading or misunderstanding the definition. By your own post you are showing that whatever is happening in Gaza i is not genocide.
There is nothing to interpret or misread in the definition. It is plain English. Israel has shown intent, and it has deliberately killed.
 

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There is nothing to interpret or misread in the definition. It is plain English. Israel has shown intent, and it has deliberately killed.
You are wrong and as I have said attempting to have a reasonable conversation with you is an exercise in futility. Ask someone who actually know how to read a statutory definition.
 

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Ask someone who actually know how to read a statutory definition.
Bickering on the definition of genocide while tens of thousands have been killed.

How about math: How many people have to die before it's considered genocide?

What percentage of the population has to die before it's considered genocide?
 
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You are wrong and as I have said attempting to have a reasonable conversation with you is an exercise in futility. Ask someone who actually know how to read a statutory definition.
Since you are saying that I am reading it wrong, explain what is wrong with what I said. The definition is quite clear and that is why even the ICJ has ruled that Israel needs to stop incitement and prevent genocide.
 
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Genocide does not have to result in population decline. It is about causing deaths, with the intent to cause deaths - to put it simply. So you could kill only 2 or 3 people - but if the intent of killing the 2 or 3 people was to exterminate an ethnicity or even ethnically cleanse them from the region, it is genocide. That is per the genocide conventions definition of genocide.
So you're saying that Oct.7 was genocide.
 

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Population increase, decrease etc do not matter.
Once again, you love to discard as irrelevant, facts that do not fit your narrative.
 

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So you're saying that Oct.7 was genocide.
No. It was a terrorist attack. The intent was not to destroy Jews, it was to retaliate for the Al-Aqsa storming. Israel response however is genocide.
Once again, you love to discard as irrelevant, facts that do not fit your narrative.
What is irrelevant will always be irrelevant regardless of how hard you try to deflect and distract to push your own narratives.
 

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Bickering on the definition of genocide while tens of thousands have been killed.

How about math: How many people have to die before it's considered genocide?

What percentage of the population has to die before it's considered genocide?
Genocide is no based upon the number of deaths, however tragic and yes the situation is Gaza is tragic. Were WWI or WWI or Viet Mam etc genocides? Everyone should lament the human tragedy is Gaza but that is very different than referring to it as genocide which has nothing to do with the tragedy and everything to do with demonizing Israel.
 

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Since you are saying that I am reading it wrong, explain what is wrong with what I said. The definition is quite clear and that is why even the ICJ has ruled that Israel needs to stop incitement and prevent genocide.
If I thought there was any point in attempting to reason with you i would. you are blinded by your jew hatred and your myopic interest in demonizing Israel. I would much rather engage with a poster who has an interest in reason.
 

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Genocide is no based upon the number of deaths, however tragic and yes the situation is Gaza is tragic. Were WWI or WWI or Viet Mam etc genocides? Everyone should lament the human tragedy is Gaza but that is very different than referring to it as genocide which has nothing to do with the tragedy and everything to do with demonizing Israel.
Good. So you'd agree with my statement that population increase or decrease does not matter when calling something genocide.

What matters is intent. For which there is mountains of evidence against Israel.

Israel is not being demonized. Israel is being exposed.
If I thought there was any point in attempting to reason with you i would. you are blinded by your jew hatred and your myopic interest in demonizing Israel. I would much rather engage with a poster who has an interest in reason.
So as I thought, no actual response.
 
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BS. The Brits WERE colonial invaders, who invaded Ottoman lands, took over the lands, paper partitioned it with France. So yes, they were colonial invaders....
So the Ottomans ruling over other people's is fine with you but Brits doing the same thing is evil. That's reasonable. :rolleyes:

And sorry but it is absolutely idiotic and hypocritical for you to claim that Jews were some kind of invaders. Just like you, the European Jews who did go to Palestine under the Ottomans and generally under the Brits were immigrants, following the rule of law as they did so. It is clearly racist for you to pretend that Jews can't be legal immigrants.

You also ignore the history of the Ottoman Empire and it's breakup into ethnic states. You're fine with Bosnia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, Armenia, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria being broken up into nation-states while at the same time saying that the million+ Ottoman Jews who were often subject to persecution shouldn't have that right. Greece is a really good comparison as it resulted in population transfers of 1.5 million people.

And your knowledge of history is non-existent. As we've gone over, the massacres were done by Arab mobs for a couple decades before Jews started retaliating. There was absolutely zero difference between Arab leaders inciting mobs against Jews and the Aryan Strikeforce inciting attacks on South Asians in Brampton.

It's pathetic that you think self determination for Jews isn't a thing while demanding self determination for others. You are simply just an ignorant racist.
 
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