The complexities of Sudan

[basketcase]

Do you think there is a Palestinian lobby, or a Saudi lobby, or a Quattro lobby, or a Jordanian lobby. You get my drift.
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Unlike the Saudis, Qataris, and Emiratis, AIPAC is actually a lobby of Americans promoting foreign policy they want, not foreign countries simply throwing money at American institutions.

Americans lobbying for policy in favour of the Palestinians aren't any different than AIPAC other than how long they've been established. Of course people obsessed with Jewish conspiracies don't see as problem with the Palestinian lobby, even when they are backed by foreign states.

And as I said, it is more in American interests to align with Israel over the Palestinians, especially as Arab states have finally admitted that they don't see Israel as an obstacle.

 

[basketcase]

Oh. When did the UN pass that resolution? I must have missed it.

While Frank is still arguing that the UN didn't Hamas engaged in rape and sexual violence and hasn't demanded the immediate and unconditional release of Hamas' hostages.

 

[basketcase]

None of the other lobbies are as powerful as the Israeli lobby. ...

Ah, so pro-Israel Americans should be condemned simply because they have had more success than pro-Palestinians Americans?

And as I said, that success is significantly because a) Israeli society is closer to what America sees as democratic and b) it serves American governmental interests more than promoting Israel's destruction does.

 

[basketcase]

You do miss a lot. Yeah we know pal. Like the 75 year old occupation and genocide of the Palestinians.

Shit, you've descended simply to a Franky level of yelling and screaming nonsense instead of arguing your claims.

 

[shack]

NRA, oil&gas industry and AIPAC are all not lobbying for good causes.

That's YOUR opinion.

And we all know what the saying is about people and having opinions.

 

[basketcase]

AIPAC is funded by 10 billionaires who back Likud and rump.
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And you think Americans should be banned from lobbying is you don't like their politics? More of your racist double standard.

 

[basketcase]

UN 3379

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh, the motion that was REVOKED by the UN as racist?

But sure, pretend revoked UN motions are valid by reports condem,ning hamas are fake.

 

[basketcase]

They have been. This isn't news. As Owen Wilson would say, "You'd be crazy as a road lizard" if you think otherwise.

Anti-Semites claiming the conspiracy tropes are okay because they think their anti-Semitic conspiracy theory is true.

 

[basketcase]

Right, good point.
They know it works through the differences with 'Israeli Arabs'.
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Um, half of Israeli Jews are Arabs.


Mizrahi Jews constitute one of the largest Jewish ethnic divisions among Israeli Jews. Mizrahi Jews are descended from Jews in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia and parts of the Caucasus, who had lived for many generations under Muslim rule during the Middle Ages. The vast majority of them left the Muslim-majority countries during the Arab–Israeli conflict, in what is known as the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries.

As of 2005, 61% of Israeli Jews were of full or partial Mizrahi ancestry

Or if you prefer the original source:

https://rozenbergquarterly.com/clare-louise-ducker-jews-arabs-and-arab-jews-the-politics-of-identity-and-reproduction-in-israel/?print=pdf

 

[basketcase]

It is what Israel has forced upon these people.

You might as well be complaining that South Asians have forced themselves on Brampton.

 

[basketcase]

you statement again repeats the antisemitic trope about Jewish influence. ...

It reminds me of today's CBC article where a guy claims that his cartoon mimicking Nazi propaganda and the old trope about Jews drinking blood is okay.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/cartoon-nosferatu-netanyahu-la-presse-antisemitism-1.7149735

 

[shack]

Of course it is. What does the "I" in AIPAC stand for?

What is the USCPR and what does the "P" stand for?
What is the USPCN and what does the "P" stand for?

 

[basketcase]

Genocide supporters of course sleep well while Palestinians are being slaughtered.

And no criticism of Hamas launching this war or repeatedly rejecting ceasefires that would stop all killing and allow massive amounts of aid to safely enter combat zones.

 

[basketcase]

If it lobbies on behalf of a foreign government, ...

Bullshit. Just more of your racist conspiracies.

It is Americans lobbying their government as is any American's right. Sadly your views about Jewish control has you believing that American Jews don't have the same right as any other American including the many Americans lobbying for Palestinians.

But you pretend there are Jewish threats while completely ignoring the organized political threats against Biden from the "Uncommitted" movement.

 

[basketcase]

Typical.

Claim to support the two state solution then when its mentioned that means giving back all the land you stole say 'talk to me in 50 years'.
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Stolen? You mean like all of Canada?

Or by stolen you mean a UN Partition plan and the adjustments resulting by the Arab invasion?

 

[Frankfooter]

Why do Americans lobby their government on anything? It's obvious that only some lobbying is a problem to you.


p.s. Threats? Okay then.

AIPAC pushes Likud policy, not American views.

AIPAC: Likudnik Israel Over Democratic America

AIPAC: Likudnik Israel Over Democratic AmericaBy Jeffrey Rudolph (March 2024) In a New York Times March 13, 2024, article (“Pro-Israel Lobby Faces Challenges Amid Gaza War and Shifting Politi…

detailedpoliticalquizzes.wordpress.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Stolen? You mean like all of Canada?

Or by stolen you mean a UN Partition plan and the adjustments resulting by the Arab invasion?

Now you're going to out on the streets for Land Back protests?
Or is this you pretending you care like when you quote the one part of one UN report you like?

Partition was a British/Zionism plan backed by the UN.
It was stupid.

We're at the point where all zionists should be removed from power and put on trial for war crimes.
Give Palestine back to the Palestinians.

Zionists have shown what they do.
Enough is enough.

 

[mandrill]

Whichever way you spin it, the Brits were the colonial invaders. They were not the legally established government. Their presence in foreign lands where they dont belong, lands which they paper partitioned in collusion with France, is fundamentally illegal, and downright immoral. Therefore a colonial power illegally holding on to foreign lands, acquired during WW 1, and handing it to a bunch of settlers from Europe who did not belong there either, is once again illegitimate.

And the Ottomans were a non colonial power who were there because the Arabs loved them?.... Sure. In fact, Palestine has never actually been a self governing entity, right?

Systemic oppression, systemic racism are very, very different from genocide. And nice word salad. Canada is a legitimate state today, that legally treats citizens and non-citizens equally. The US, Australia, NZ - all settler colonial movements, today are like that as well. Except Israel. Israel is a country where settlers from foreign lands, have taken over lands that did not belong to them, based on some religious mumbo jumbo, and are engaged in genocide of the indigeneous peoples.

What genocide? The Palestinian Arab population has actually grown since 1948.

Or it succeeds because they control a lot of cash, just like the Rothschilds did back in the day, when they funded Jewish settlements to the tune of 40M Francs (in the 19th century no less). Anyone who controls cash, controls politics at the end of the day.

Nice theory. But it's not true.

Yup. President Jimmy Carter, Nixon - you know Presidents who have actually dealt with this are all anti-semites. You know why they call it anti-semitic? Because once they call it that and shut you up, they can do whatever the fuck they want with wreckless abandon.

Huh?

You could make a case for it, if the South Asians in Brampton were dropping 2000lb JDAMS on you, cutting off your food, water and electricity. For sure. But they are not doing that, are they? So nice try, trying to paid Zionists as "benevolent". They are racist mass murderers.

Actually the Israelis are defending themselves. Just ask the ICJ. They agree. Just you and Frankie and Klatty don't.

Hamas did not launch any war. The war has been ongoing for 75 years. 75 years ago, when Israel launched the war when they stole indigeneous lands and formed a country that should not even have been formed in the first place.

You mean 1948, when the Arab states tried to genocide the Israelis and the Israelis kicked their ass and the Arabs were so pissed that they've raped and murdered innocent Jews ever since? That 75 years?

You mean, it is anti-semitic to show the holocaust denier and nazi sympathizer in the video below, as a vampire? Hmmm.

Yeah. It really is. Kinda disgusting actually.

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually the Israelis are defending themselves. Just ask the ICJ. They agree. Just you and Frankie and Klatty don't.

This is when it becomes obvious you are not or never have been a lawyer.

 

[NotADcotor]

I agree. Netanyahu IS disgusting. He is a fucking Nazi currently genociding Palestinians. Genocide, Racism, Nazism, Zionism - all are disgusting.

You guys keep using the word genocide, I don't think that word means what you think it means. Going to war and having collateral damage done to civilians that in many cases your enemy hides behind on purpose to get them killed to get western sympathy isn't genocide.
OTOH trying to exterminate an entire people from River to Sea is... granted they don't have the power to do it, just raids over the border actually targeting civilians and terrorist attacks again targeting civilians but it is their goal as stated over and over by them and their fellow travelers both organizational and individuals.

You and Frankie are the disgusting pro genocide ones here.

How much hate must you be infused with that you are blind to this.

Yes, yes you are.

You and Frankie calling people pro genocide and racist is pretty much like Paul Bernardo and Bill Cosby accusing people of being rapists.
It's time to stop OK. No more. Where are your parents, who are your parents? I am going to call child protective services. It's time to stop.