The 2017 Blue Jay season thread
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discussing trades of vets for promising talent would make this thread more interesting than watching the Jays play out a losing season
JD and Happ and Martin are good trade bait as well as Estrada if he can turn it around
JB and tulo and smith and lariano not so much
I hope management makes some serious moves in that direction
JD and Happ and Martin are good trade bait as well as Estrada if he can turn it around
JB and tulo and smith and lariano not so much
I hope management makes some serious moves in that direction
I have not checked stats, but of all the combos listed so far my guess is that this one would pretty easily be the weakest in terms of offense.
not this year or next but next year he is a free agent anyways
wtf is he thinking? We can still compete this year and next? what happens after next year?
trade JD now while his trade value is still high
You make a valid point
So you propose the Jays remain a wannabe team for the foreseeable future?
I propose that some trades will work out and some will not
We can trade for enough young horses that a couple will make it
It is very hard to extract a "cant miss" from an organization so are the jays canny enough to trade for a couple ?
If I am management this is my concern when trading your vets away for young talent - how good are my scouts?
It all comes down to $$$$$$ and best way to fill seats anyways
Trade vets and lose fans this year and next or stand pat and lose them anyways is what I see
You are advocating a tear-down and rebuild. I am suggesting re-tool around a strong core of young pitchers (under team control). JD, Morales and Smoak form a good middle of the lineup.
If we trade JB, Liriano, Estrada, Tulo, Smith and maybe Martin, that's about $90MM of the $163MM payroll, we can sign or take on contracts to make us competitive in 2018.
I've seen several tear downs and rebuilds happen and there is no certainty in that. We just saw a 22 year dryspell from 1993 to 2015.
If we trade JB, Liriano, Estrada, Tulo, Smith and maybe Martin, that's about $90MM of the $163MM payroll, we can sign or take on contracts to make us competitive in 2018.
I've seen several tear downs and rebuilds happen and there is no certainty in that. We just saw a 22 year dryspell from 1993 to 2015.
Bautista, not going anywhere unless he wants to, owed $8.45M.
Liriano, FA at end of season, still owed $6.24M.
Estrada, FA end of season, still owed $6.62M.
Tulowitzki under contract for 3 more yrs., owed $67.14M.
Joe Smith, FA end of season, still owed $1.37M
Martin, under contract 2 more years, owed $49.14M
Total dollars owed to those 6 players? Approximately $138,960,000.
With the exception of the currently disabled Joe Smith, just what exactly do you expect to get for those players?
Both Estrada & Liriano are pitching poorly, not exactly attractive to contending teams.
Jose Bautista controls his own fate, up to him as to where he goes, if he chooses to leave Toronto.
Joe Smith, a team may roll the dice, minimal investment required, but also, minimal return on a trade.
Russ Martin, that contract is an albatross, as is Tulowitzki's, unless desperate beyond belief, why would another club be interested in those $$?
Should Toronto be willing to pay part of salary, they might be slightly more moveable, but still, neither would result in blue chip prospects headed to Toronto.
Good research
Estrada was all star last year. Lost his form a few games ago. Happ has been a front line pitcher. Good reason to believe they will get back into form. If that happens a front line pitcher is what all contenders crave. Smith might of made all star before injury and he should be back soon.
Best trade material is JD as the team that gets him has him for next year.
Agree about Martin and Tulo. Be hard to dump them without eating $$$$.
JB would not refuse a trade to a contender.
Thanks, nothing special, readily available.
Estrada "lost it" 7 starts, not "a few", ago.
J. A. Happ wasn't brought up in the original post that I was replying to, but his contract information is that he's signed through the 2018 season, total owing is $18.94M.
I'm not sure why the Blue Jays would want to move Happ, he's fairly priced, and a solid member of the rotation.
He might provide the best return (if traded in the next 20 days) of any of the players mentioned recently.
I don't think the Blue Jays get 2 blue chip prospects in exchange though.
I think the Blue Jays are stuck with Tulo & Martin, unless they eat a lot of contract.
At which point you have to question the wisdom of trading either, unless they're blocking someone from a spot.
I don't see either doing that at this moment.
You know that about Bautista? I've never heard one word that he doesn't want to stay in Toronto.
I don't see Donaldson being moved, unless the Jays front office is overwhelmed.
If moved this July, the package would need to have 2-3 elite prospects, and probably a couple more pieces involved.
JBis not gonna say he wants to be traded bit woldlove to go to a contender
next year should be our rebuilding year then we go after the free agents that make us a contender in 2019 . Next year is a big free agent year. Time to rebuild our depleted farm system
JB is not gonna say he wants to be traded to the press but he would love to go to a contender
happ and JD are not free agents until next year so that makes them more valuable in a trade and unless the Jays plan to contend next year then trade them because they are gone anyways because ,as you say, they will get the most of anyone we can trade
next year should be our rebuilding year then we go after the free agents that make us a contender in 2019 . Next year is a big free agent year. Time to rebuild our depleted farm system
JB is not gonna say he wants to be traded to the press but he would love to go to a contender
For sure. When the Jays were in the thick of things we were more than happy to sell the farm for a rent a player. The contenders this year are in the same spot the Jays were the previous couple of years.
Hopefully a contending team loses a second baseman or a catcher and are more than happy to take a Tulo or Martin off of our hands, despite the price tag.
I also think that Estrada would be an ideal fit for an NL team as I think the AL teams (at least the east) have figured him out.
Keep JD, Smoak, Morales and the young pitchers as I believe that despite an injury filled 2017, we have a good starting pitching.
Perhaps, but both of those guys have play-off experience and as they say, a change of scenery can do wonders.
