That which can’t be discussed
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That is literally the opposite of what you want to do if you want to fall asleep quickly and sleep well.How do you get to sleep at night without at least 45 minutes of TikTok scrolling just before lights out, like I do?
I haven't hobbied for a while and when I did I always used Ketchup and Mustard, because condiments and wore a tshirt because nobody wants to see my bare back.
But the one thing everyone is afraid of, in a world where treatment can get your viral count to 0 to the point where "they" say it is safer to have the old in an out with someone who is diagnosed and monitored and under treatment than some rando and in the world of PrEP which is 99% effective vs getting the virus from the bouncy bouncy
www.cdc.gov
One could say it's a different world than it was.
OTOH if we learned anything from Covid, you can't really trust anyone to do the right thing. Survival work this, and muh freedoms that. I am sure there is far above a non 0 portion on both sides of the hobby equation who would still work and or play even if they have a craving for human brains.
But the one thing everyone is afraid of, in a world where treatment can get your viral count to 0 to the point where "they" say it is safer to have the old in an out with someone who is diagnosed and monitored and under treatment than some rando and in the world of PrEP which is 99% effective vs getting the virus from the bouncy bouncy
Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) | HIV Risk and Prevention | HIV/AIDS | CDC
PrEP is a way for people who do not have HIV but who are at substantial risk of getting it to prevent HIV infection by taking a pill every day.
www.cdc.gov
OTOH if we learned anything from Covid, you can't really trust anyone to do the right thing. Survival work this, and muh freedoms that. I am sure there is far above a non 0 portion on both sides of the hobby equation who would still work and or play even if they have a craving for human brains.
That's the conventional wisdom I know, but for whatever reason it works better for me than anything else I've tried.
And if I wake at 5:30am cuz I'm old and have to pee, and if my brain starts working on some bullshit and I can't seem to fall back asleep, I turn on my bedroom TV, activate YouTube, and put on snooker videos with Ronnie O'Sullivan, the GOAT of snooker, and shortly after I fall back asleep to that with very low audio volume. That get's my mind off whatever issue it was obsessed with.
Where the hell do you get snooker videos? In my day, which can't be far off from yours, Cliff Thorburn was the man.
Thread is going fine. I see tractions. Good.
Like most ppl said indirectly I would say.
BBFS does happens and it will happen. That’s how you grow in business.
BBFS is like cult community so it will not be discuss openly as life threatening things are attached to it. Plus nok r share their pie. Why would they? Just observe the reviews and decide for yourself.
Since there are work arounds, it will be common in few years if not in days.
Men and women are tired of fucking in rubber. Skin to skin touch it what orgasm is all about
Like most ppl said indirectly I would say.
BBFS does happens and it will happen. That’s how you grow in business.
BBFS is like cult community so it will not be discuss openly as life threatening things are attached to it. Plus nok r share their pie. Why would they? Just observe the reviews and decide for yourself.
Since there are work arounds, it will be common in few years if not in days.
Men and women are tired of fucking in rubber. Skin to skin touch it what orgasm is all about
YouTube. Search Ronnie O'Sullivan. There are a lot of his recent tournaments, and several perfect 147's. One of his 147's took less than 6 minutes! His cue ball control and position play is unbelievable...
Also search snooker on TikTok.
I was just an OK club player, but in Montreal I played a tournament game with Eddie Agha, and in Winnipeg I used to play often with Billy Werbeniuk, who later won many tournaments in England, but at the time we played we were both about 18 and at the same skill level.
Wow I did not know this little piece of hoe history, that’s interesting. When I saw this thread this morning I was thinking “I wonder when BBBJ got normalized” — I wasn’t around back then. Thanks for answering my question
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Let’s bring race and ethnicity in “total” business set up. Also let’s not forget the way some providers has singled out “Black and Asian”. It was bound to happen. Don’t tell me it wasn’t happening between “white to white” community.
Asian or EE just exploited that “market share” which was left out due to white providers being racist. You have a very good and valid point bit it just somehow lack the co relation to market scenarios.
I just don’t understand what the problem is. If you don’t provide BBBFS OR BBJ. It your choice the same way customer will not take the service from provider who does CBJ.
the question OP asked about “ why the information is not as open as compare to BBBJ or mild BDSM”. Why are you trying to to derail the thread and bring all pointer which actually not relevant to the OPs query?
can we pls don’t derail the thread pls?
Ditto. Haven’t logged in to my FB and linked in since 2013 and don’t have insta or TikTok. Whatapp is only for family only
Terb is the only place where I just try to see what is happening around
A lot to learn about hoe history
Hoes are an ancient technology, predating the plough and perhaps preceded only by the digging stick. In Sumerian mythology, the invention of the hoe was credited to Enlil, the chief of the council of gods. The hoe features in a Sumerian disputation poem known as the Debate between the hoe and the plough, dating to the 3rd millennium BC, where a personified hoe debates a personified plough over which tool is the better. At the end of the poem, the hoe is declared the winner. Another composition from the same era and language, the Song of the hoe, is dedicated to the praise of this tool.
The hand-plough (mr) was depicted in predynastic Egyptian art, and hoes are also mentioned in ancient documents like the Code of Hammurabi (ca. 18th century BC) and the Book of Isaiah (c. 8th century BC).
Long-term use of short-handled hoes, which required the user to bend over from the waist to reach the ground, could cause permanent, crippling lower back pain to farm workers. Over time this resulted in change after a struggle led by César Chávez with the political help from Governor Jerry Brown in the California Supreme Court. They declared that the short-handled hoe was an unsafe hand tool which was than banned under California law in 1975.
I use facebook mostly as a phone, to keep in touch with people. I do poke around a bit and it is a hot mess.Ditto. Haven’t logged in to my FB and linked in since 2013 and don’t have insta or TikTok. Whatapp is only for family only
Terb is the only place where I just try to see what is happening around
Really valuable perspective. Didn’t know about the evolution of BBBJ.
Been a little amazed at the open discussion of BBFS, I guess the rule now is it’s ok to discuss as long as it’s not tied to a specific provider.
Maybe what’s happening is as you say - wave of new providers offering BBFS, so more of it happening.
Perhaps like legalizing drugs, eventually there’s enough pressure that it gets normalized.
I’ve fallen into this with one provider- happened naturally over many sessions. Absolutely terrifies me every single time. It’s not the sensation in the act itself, it’s the fluidity with which you can move from DATY to FS etc. Absolutely the best sex of my life (and she claims of hers), but I’m sure it’s a clear road to Hell.
So you are basically agreeing with me on how it can (and in your opinion actually will) become normalized and clearly you support it within the industry. Which is scary to me.
Also, BBFS is not the way to “grow” in business. That is laughable. You think agencies like Mirage encouraged their girls to provide BBFS to “grow” their business? I think not.
Not all men and women within this industry are tired of condoms. And some who are still see the importance of them regardless. And then some who don’t. So don’t label all men and women in your desired category. You have had both genders say they don’t want BBFS and actively avoid it. So clearly, Not all of us want to be like you.
ummmm excuse me but I am not detailing this thread at all. I don’t understand why it is so confusing to you that you would say this.
He wanted to know if discussing BBFS would be helpful or not. I’m assuming he meant in reviews. I don’t believe it would be because I feel it would lead to a possible normalization of the act within the industry and gave background history on the evolution of how BBBJ was normalized the same way.
So where is the “derailment” here?
Also I was speaking of Asian escorts because I was replying to someone discussing Asian escorts and I made the caveat that other escorts of other races do this too but it is more prevalent and public within Asian agencies/spa to the point they are openly advertising in ads and on websites. Which is factually true and can’t be denied.
So…… yeah….. moving along now. Thanks for your contribution I guess?????
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The only thing that will come out of this trend is something you cannot treat.
After the last few posts, I am going to get kind of inappropriate here, so sorry.
One of the primary reasons the wise masters at TERB ban the discussion is that this act has the potential to cause massive negative changes in the industry from the Masters of the Universe, not the masters of TERB.
I will digress for a moment since Jenesis mentioned EE girls and Wildestdream mentioned BDSM in the original posts.
British girls basically invented getting spanked, and liking it. It eventually filtered down to their former colonies, America and Australia. The scene exists in Canada, but not to the same extent. The Brits also started filming it, as did the Californians. The Brits showed how it is done. A warm up hand spanking, often additional application of moisturizing lotion, lighter implements, and then the cane (always in Britain), and either the cane or the wood paddle in America. The Australians love to read, so they had their own popular printed monthly magazine about this stuff. The Brits had a censorship board that watched the films (good work if you can get it) that occasionally banned a film before distribution. There were only a few bans, which pissed off the actress who felt she got spanked really hard for no reason. But the industry respected limits. If you went to LA or SF and saw a submissive, switch, or dom for the first time, she taught you all about how spankings, warmups, limits and safe words work.
Then in the film world, the Iron Curtain fell, and the Czech’s discovered spanking, the Internet, and filming. A Czech production company called Rigid East formed, and basically the youngest, cutest, pale, white girls did school spanking scenes where they took 30 - 100 cane strokes bare bottomed, while often restrained, without a warm-up. The biggest difference is simply the marking that occurs. Eventually a Hungarian group called Mood Pictures followed suit and did even more severe scenes, and a group called Russian Slaves did the same, although they were shitty filmmakers.
All of a sudden, the British spanking movie boards started lighting up about these movies. Some viewers loved them, others hated them. They were violating a Code of Conduct that was well established. An actress might be marked for weeks after a Czech movie scene, not a day or two after one, like the industry had always known. But sure enough, the Brits passed legislation for the fist time ever placing limits on BDSM in films and even to an extent in private conduct, including the meetings and parties that BDSM enthusiasts went to. The censors who watched spanking movies really noticed these new EE films and didn’t like them. Same with the Australians, and they did some legislation that eventually ended the monthly magazine. Someone from the outside caused changes within that industry in other countries when it came to law changes.
Now let’s get back to sex, since spanking doesn’t interest most of the participants.
The EE ladies certainly changed sex at the German FKKs, and really throughout Germany in general. They basically caused a reduction in the number of ladies from what was formerly West Germany who do commercial sex. First it was the East Germans, and then the Romanians. I realize a lot of guys here like the FKKs. Not so much the individual girls, since they come back and do a review of Five Girls They Fucked for 100 euros each, but can‘t remember their names. They sometimes say they were German girls, and guys like me say no, they weren’t. The blonde German girl wasn’t working there, perhaps not working in the industry at all. Same with that much hotter and bustier Swedish girl in Sweden, who is difficult to find because the Swedes passed plenty of laws limiting the industry in their country to discourage Eastern European women from coming there. You can look at the legislative history during the debates about the law’s passage. They talk about discouraging the entry of Eastern European sex workers into their country.
Plenty of the best commercial sex destinations in Europe, including Spain and Portugal, quietly discourage Asian and Eastern European women from entering for sex. Barcelona Vice is brutal about closing Asian massage parlors.
So back to the topic at hand. What happens if the lowest-priced Asian places start dominating the Toronto scene and there is plenty of offerings of BBFS at some of them. First of all, nothing against Asian women. I wish there were a lot more Asian independent escorts charging standard market rates, but there aren’t. I have seen a few who do, and I really liked them.
People will gravitate toward what feels the best (at that moment) and what costs the least (in the short run). They don’t give a shit if the worker is properly compensated, and that is a hell of a loaded question, anyway. The Czech model getting a really hard caning got paid a fraction of what the Brit lady would have gotten, and that particular scene couldn’t have even been filmed and released in Britain at the time, anyway. But those Czech girls made damn good money by Czech porn standards at that point in time.
But the biggest concern is what we lose in terms of industry participation and future law changes if BBFS at the lowest-priced Asian places are discussed in a manner that allows them to receive a greater market share. First of all, the beloved Canadian independents and agency ladies who don’t offer this service get frustrated at all of the requests for it, and demands for lower prices, and leave the industry. Most of us feel that we get to know ladies like Jenesis and Josephine either by reading their posts or seeing them. Same with all the delightful ladies at the established non-Asian agencies. They are Toronto girls, not can’t-remember-her-name girl who rotates between five Canadian cities when she isn’t back in Asia.
And if Canada becomes a lowest possible price scene, like Germany, and if BBFS is offered frequently by providers who appear to have no real control over their business activities, there are going to be police actions and major law changes. Most people in western countries don’t approve of this activity, but tolerate it if the activities are safe and consensual, and the workers are local. If that isn’t the case, everything gets shut down. A scene of independents operating on a small scale is difficult to shut down. Advertised and observable incall places are easy to shut down, and are already arguably illegal anyway.
One of the primary reasons the wise masters at TERB ban the discussion is that this act has the potential to cause massive negative changes in the industry from the Masters of the Universe, not the masters of TERB.
I will digress for a moment since Jenesis mentioned EE girls and Wildestdream mentioned BDSM in the original posts.
British girls basically invented getting spanked, and liking it. It eventually filtered down to their former colonies, America and Australia. The scene exists in Canada, but not to the same extent. The Brits also started filming it, as did the Californians. The Brits showed how it is done. A warm up hand spanking, often additional application of moisturizing lotion, lighter implements, and then the cane (always in Britain), and either the cane or the wood paddle in America. The Australians love to read, so they had their own popular printed monthly magazine about this stuff. The Brits had a censorship board that watched the films (good work if you can get it) that occasionally banned a film before distribution. There were only a few bans, which pissed off the actress who felt she got spanked really hard for no reason. But the industry respected limits. If you went to LA or SF and saw a submissive, switch, or dom for the first time, she taught you all about how spankings, warmups, limits and safe words work.
Then in the film world, the Iron Curtain fell, and the Czech’s discovered spanking, the Internet, and filming. A Czech production company called Rigid East formed, and basically the youngest, cutest, pale, white girls did school spanking scenes where they took 30 - 100 cane strokes bare bottomed, while often restrained, without a warm-up. The biggest difference is simply the marking that occurs. Eventually a Hungarian group called Mood Pictures followed suit and did even more severe scenes, and a group called Russian Slaves did the same, although they were shitty filmmakers.
All of a sudden, the British spanking movie boards started lighting up about these movies. Some viewers loved them, others hated them. They were violating a Code of Conduct that was well established. An actress might be marked for weeks after a Czech movie scene, not a day or two after one, like the industry had always known. But sure enough, the Brits passed legislation for the fist time ever placing limits on BDSM in films and even to an extent in private conduct, including the meetings and parties that BDSM enthusiasts went to. The censors who watched spanking movies really noticed these new EE films and didn’t like them. Same with the Australians, and they did some legislation that eventually ended the monthly magazine. Someone from the outside caused changes within that industry in other countries when it came to law changes.
Now let’s get back to sex, since spanking doesn’t interest most of the participants.
The EE ladies certainly changed sex at the German FKKs, and really throughout Germany in general. They basically caused a reduction in the number of ladies from what was formerly West Germany who do commercial sex. First it was the East Germans, and then the Romanians. I realize a lot of guys here like the FKKs. Not so much the individual girls, since they come back and do a review of Five Girls They Fucked for 100 euros each, but can‘t remember their names. They sometimes say they were German girls, and guys like me say no, they weren’t. The blonde German girl wasn’t working there, perhaps not working in the industry at all. Same with that much hotter and bustier Swedish girl in Sweden, who is difficult to find because the Swedes passed plenty of laws limiting the industry in their country to discourage Eastern European women from coming there. You can look at the legislative history during the debates about the law’s passage. They talk about discouraging the entry of Eastern European sex workers into their country.
Plenty of the best commercial sex destinations in Europe, including Spain and Portugal, quietly discourage Asian and Eastern European women from entering for sex. Barcelona Vice is brutal about closing Asian massage parlors.
So back to the topic at hand. What happens if the lowest-priced Asian places start dominating the Toronto scene and there is plenty of offerings of BBFS at some of them. First of all, nothing against Asian women. I wish there were a lot more Asian independent escorts charging standard market rates, but there aren’t. I have seen a few who do, and I really liked them.
People will gravitate toward what feels the best (at that moment) and what costs the least (in the short run). They don’t give a shit if the worker is properly compensated, and that is a hell of a loaded question, anyway. The Czech model getting a really hard caning got paid a fraction of what the Brit lady would have gotten, and that particular scene couldn’t have even been filmed and released in Britain at the time, anyway. But those Czech girls made damn good money by Czech porn standards at that point in time.
But the biggest concern is what we lose in terms of industry participation and future law changes if BBFS at the lowest-priced Asian places are discussed in a manner that allows them to receive a greater market share. First of all, the beloved Canadian independents and agency ladies who don’t offer this service get frustrated at all of the requests for it, and demands for lower prices, and leave the industry. Most of us feel that we get to know ladies like Jenesis and Josephine either by reading their posts or seeing them. Same with all the delightful ladies at the established non-Asian agencies. They are Toronto girls, not can’t-remember-her-name girl who rotates between five Canadian cities when she isn’t back in Asia.
And if Canada becomes a lowest possible price scene, like Germany, and if BBFS is offered frequently by providers who appear to have no real control over their business activities, there are going to be police actions and major law changes. Most people in western countries don’t approve of this activity, but tolerate it if the activities are safe and consensual, and the workers are local. If that isn’t the case, everything gets shut down. A scene of independents operating on a small scale is difficult to shut down. Advertised and observable incall places are easy to shut down, and are already arguably illegal anyway.
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@Patron and @Jenesis put up some really thought-provoking posts providing both historical and global contexts from which we should look at this issue. Kudos!
I’d also give a shout out to the mods for letting this thread live. This was precisely the kind of rational and informative discussion I hoped we could get.
