@Patron and @Jenesis put up some really thought-provoking posts providing both historical and global contexts from which we should look at this issue. Kudos!After the last few posts, I am going to get kind of inappropriate here, so sorry.
One of the primary reasons the wise masters at TERB ban the discussion is that this act has the potential to cause massive negative changes in the industry from the Masters of the Universe, not the masters of TERB.
I will digress for a moment since Jenesis mentioned EE girls and Wildestdream mentioned BDSM in the original posts.
British girls basically invented getting spanked, and liking it. It eventually filtered down to their former colonies, America and Australia. The scene exists in Canada, but not to the same extent. The Brits also started filming it, as did the Californians. The Brits showed how it is done. A warm up hand spanking, often additional application of moisturizing lotion, lighter implements, and then the cane (always in Britain), and either the cane or the wood paddle in America. The Australians love to read, so they had their own popular printed monthly magazine about this stuff. The Brits had a censorship board that watched the films (good work if you can get it) that occasionally banned a film before distribution. There were only a few bans, which pissed off the actress who felt she got spanked really hard for no reason. But the industry respected limits. If you went to LA or SF and saw a submissive, switch, or dom for the first time, she taught you all about how spankings, warmups, limits and safe words work.
Then in the film world, the Iron Curtain fell, and the Czech’s discovered spanking, the Internet, and filming. A production company called Rigid East formed, and basically the youngest, cutest, pale, white girls did school spanking scenes where they took 30 - 100 cane strokes bare bottomed, while often restrained, without a warm-up. The biggest difference is simply the marking that occurs. Eventually a Hungarian group called Mood Pictures followed suit and did even more severe scenes, and a group called Russian Slaves did the same, although they were shitty filmmakers.
All of a sudden, the British spanking movie boards started lighting up about these movies. Some viewers loved them, others hated them. They were violating a Code of Conduct that was well established. An actress might be marked for weeks after a Czech movie scene, not a day or two after one, like the industry had always known. But sure enough, the Brits passed legislation for the fist time ever placing limits on BDSM in films and even to an extent in private conduct, including the meetings and parties that BDSM enthusiasts went to. The censors who watched spanking movies really noticed these new EE films and didn’t like them. Same with the Australians, and they did some legislation that eventually ended the monthly magazine. Someone from the outside caused changes within that industry in other countries when it came to law changes.
Now let’s get back to sex, since spanking doesn’t interest most of the participants.
The EE ladies certainly changed sex at the German FKKs, and really throughout Germany in general. They basically caused a reduction in the number of ladies from what was formerly West Germany who do commercial sex. First it was the East Germans, and then the Romanians. I realize a lot of guys here like the FKKs. Not so much the individual girls, since they come back and do a review of Five Girls They Fucked for 100 euros each, but can‘t remember their names. They sometimes say they were German girls, and guys like me say no, they weren’t. The blonde German girl wasn’t working there, perhaps not working in the industry at all. Same with that much hotter and bustier Swedish girl in Sweden, who is difficult to find because the Swedes passed plenty of laws limiting the industry in their country to discourage Eastern European women from coming there. You can look at the legislative history during the debates about the law’s passage. They talk about discouraging the entry of Eastern European sex workers into their country.
Plenty of the best commercial sex destinations in Europe, including Spain and Portugal, quietly discourage Asian and Eastern European women from entering for sex. Barcelona Vice is brutal about closing Asian massage parlors.
So back to the topic at hand. What happens if the lowest-priced Asian places start dominating the Toronto scene and there is plenty of offerings of BBFS at some of them. First of all, nothing against Asian women. I wish there were a lot more Asian independent escorts charging standard market rates, but there aren’t. I have seen a few who do, and I really liked them.
People will gravitate toward what feels the best (at that moment) and what costs the least (in the short run). They don’t give a shit if the worker is properly compensated, and that is a hell of a loaded question, anyway. The Czech model getting a really hard caning got paid a fraction of what the Brit lady would have gotten, and that particular scene couldn’t have even been filmed and released in Britain at the time, anyway.
But the biggest concern is what we lose in terms of industry participation and future law changes if BBFS at the lowest-priced Asian places are discussed in a manner that allows them to receive a greater market share. First of all, the beloved Canadian independents and agency ladies who don’t offer this service get frustrated at all of the requests for it, and demands for lower prices, and leave the industry. Most of us feel that we get to know ladies like Jenesis and Josephine either by reading their posts or seeing them. Same with all the delightful ladies at the established non-Asian agencies. They are Toronto girls, not can’t-remember-her-name girl who rotates between five Canadian cities when she isn’t back in Asia.
And if Canada becomes a lowest possible price scene, like Germany, and if BBFS is offered frequently by providers who appear to have no real control over their business activities, there are going to be police actions and major law changes. Most people in western countries don’t approve of this activity, but tolerate it if the activities are safe and consensual, and the workers are local. If that isn’t the case, everything gets shut down. A scene of independents operating on a small scale is difficult to shut down. Advertised and observable incall places are easy to shut down, and are already arguably illegal anyway.
I’d also give a shout out to the mods for letting this thread live. This was precisely the kind of rational and informative discussion I hoped we could get.
