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Insidious Von

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Giacinto gets it done. It's time to stop calling Alex de Minaur Adult McLovin.


...the less said about the women's final, the better.
 

jalimon

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Does Genie do the Sportsnet gig in English?

Tessa Bonhomme was once interviewed for a French TV job but her French was not up to par despite her French surname.
Eugenie grew up in Wesmont. Went toEnglish school and spent most of her teen years in Florida. Like Sharapova speaks Russian with an accent Eugenie speaks French with an accent. and that's Fine .
 

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When he won his first Grand Slam his opponents were all amateurs because all the best players were professionals and ineligible.
Actually, most of the best players in the world were still amateur. Laver was an amateur so how can you say that the "all the best players were pros"? Clearly there were many of the best players who were amateurs.

Prior to 1962 he had to compete against Ken Rosewall, Tony Trabert, Roy Emerson, Neale Fraser, Manuel Santana, Lew Hoad, Fred Stolle. Some of the all time greats.

Even when he turned pro and competed against pros, (the pros only had 3 majors per year) Laver won 8 pro majors, including one season where he also had a calendar slam, that is, he won all of them.

So he dominated against pros and amateurs alike.

As I'd said, Bud Collins, who may have been the pre-eminent tennis historians of all time, had Laver as his number 1 player of all time.

When he himself turned professional in December 1962 he was then barred from playing in the slams for several years. Who knows how many more slams he could have won if he was eligible?
Thanks for summarizing my earlier post, right below. It's all in there.
True, but the vast majority of the players were all amateurs at that time, including Laver, and other all time greats. If not, he wouldn't have been able to participate. They all had the same status. Most of the players he beat for his second Grand Slam were the same players he beat for his 1st one.

Being pro did not mean that you were necessarily better than all the other players. Seeing as Laver won his first Grand Slam as an amateur proves the point that most of the best players were still amateurs. It just meant that they were willing to play for money, but for that privilege, they accepted being banned from the Grand Slam tournaments. Laver lost 6 of his best years due to that ban. He won all 4 Slams, then turned pro and then got banned the following year. Once reinstated, 6 years later, he won all 4 again. As such he missed out on 24 Grand Slam tournaments in his absolute prime. Even if he'd won half of them, he'd be at 26 Grand Slam tournaments won. GOAT. The renowned tennis historian and broadcaster, Bud Collins, was in agreement. He passed in 2016 so he was still able to see Roger, Rafa and Novak when making that assessment.

It was a few brave players who took that risk and paved the way for the current status. I remember seeing a pic of them all and there were only about a dozen or so. Off the top of my head, aside from Laver, there was Pierre Barthes (French), Roger Taylor (Brit) and Pancho Gonzales (Mexico) and possibly Roy Emerson (Ozzie). I saw Pancho play a Canadian Open match at the Cricket Club on Wilson Ave. Boy, he had a temper. He lost a point and got so mad that he took a ball and smashed it over the main clubhouse and it must have landed right onto Wilson.

p.s. No Wikipedia required when composing this post.
Since you like Wikipedia, here's a long article on the history of tennis. Read and learn.
History of tennis - Wikipedia

For the era we're talking about, you'll need to go about halfway down to the section titled Tournaments and Tours of the Amateur Era and then the subsections describing the pro tours. Actually, there were not a lot of tournaments. More commonly two players would go to several cities and play each other head to head. They made more money that way.
 
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Jessica Pagula wins. Wonder if she will one day head the Bills like Jeanie Buss now heads the Lakers.
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Insidious Von

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Jannik Sinner bows out early from the Cincinnati Masters. Not surprising, he doesn't want to extend himself before the US Open. Victory in Toronto has assured his ranking for Flushing Meadows.

That's the reason why The Canadian Open no longer hands out wildcards. As a ranking precursor for the US Open, most players wont pass on it like they once did. Better to go long in Canada then rest, than have to do it in Cincinnati.

 

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Jessica is the daughter of the owners of the bills and she is clearly playing for the love of the game as a financially. She is well-off and comes from a billionaire family. I hope but she wins a major soon because her talent level is absolutely incredible.
 

Insidious Von

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Sweet Iga vs the surprise Wimbledon Champion...who may not really be a surprise. Vondrousova may be a player that no one wants to face before the final 8 at Flushing Meadows.

As to Figaro's assertion, it's natural. Iga has just turned 22, the competition has stiffened, she has to adjust. As long as she doesn't implode like Naomi Osaka, she will be just fine. Ashley Barty didn't hit her stride until she was 25. If Jessica Pegula is drawn in the same bracket with Marketa Vondrousova, she will lose.

 

Insidious Von

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The rest of the field should consider themselves lucky Agata Swiatek retired. Had she not tore up her knee at 14, she'd be terrifying to face.

 
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When it was 5 - 3 Swiatek in the 1st Gauff turned on the burners and took it 7-2 in the tiebreak. I really thought it would be Swiatek vs Muchova again in another battle . .
 
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