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A Canadian Internet service provider has been ordered to hand over the names and addresses of about 2,000 customers who are alleged to have downloaded movies online.

A Federal Court decision released Thursday compels Ontario-based TekSavvy to identify the customers allegedly linked to downloads of films by the U.S. production company Voltage Pictures, which is behind the likes of “The Hurt Locker,” “Dallas Buyers Club” and “Don Jon.”

But while the court sided with Voltage’s efforts to go after copyright violators, it sought to protect against the company acting “inappropriately in the enforcement of its rights to the detriment of innocent Internet users.”

“On the facts of this case, there is some evidence that Voltage has been engaged in litigation which may have an improper purpose. However, the evidence is not sufficiently compelling for this court at this juncture in the proceeding to make any definitive determination of the motive of Voltage,” wrote judge Kevin Aalto.

Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge.

“In my view, the order herein balances the rights of Internet users who are alleged to have downloaded the copyrighted works against the rights of Voltage to enforce its rights in those works,” Aalto wrote.

“In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review.
“Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages.”
Updates to the federal Copyright Act in 2012 capped damages for non-commercial copyright infringement at $5,000.

http://www.thestar.com/business/201..._name_subscribers_linked_to_file_sharing.html
 

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National post.

TORONTO — A Canadian Internet service provider has been ordered to hand over the names and addresses of about 2,000 customers who allegedly downloaded movies online.

A Federal Court decision released Thursday compels Ontario-based TekSavvy to identify the customers allegedly linked to downloads of films by the U.S. production company Voltage Pictures, which is behind the likes of “The Hurt Locker,” “Dallas Buyers Club” and “Don Jon.”

As a result, those TekSavvy customers could eventually receive a letter from Voltage threatening legal action. Under the federal Copyright Act, statutory damages for non-commercial infringement range between $100 and $5,000.

“It’s going to be up to the courts to decide what the appropriate penalty is,” said Voltage’s lawyer James Zibarras, who called the court decision “great” and “well balanced.”

“I think to date rightsholders’ interests have been ignored and really what this does is adjust the pendulum a bit.

“Obviously the public has almost become accustomed to downloading movies for free and it’s being done on a massive scale. And of course the public loves justifying what they’re doing and when someone tries to stop it they invariably want to come up with arguments as to why it should not be stopped.”

But while the court sided with Voltage’s efforts to go after copyright violators, it sought to protect against the company acting “inappropriately in the enforcement of its rights to the detriment of innocent Internet users.”

“On the facts of this case, there is some evidence that Voltage has been engaged in litigation which may have an improper purpose. However, the evidence is not sufficiently compelling for this court at this juncture in the proceeding to make any definitive determination of the motive of Voltage,” wrote judge Kevin Aalto.

Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge.

“In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review,” Aalto wrote.

“Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages.”

Voltage was also ordered to pay any costs that TekSavvy incurs in identifying the customers in the case, as well as legal fees.

The Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic, which had intervenor status in the case, said it was “quite pleased” with the decision and expected Voltage wouldn’t see any financial incentive in going after downloaders, particularly since it must pay TekSavvy’s “substantial” costs.

CIPPIC director David Fewer said his read of the decision is that the court would not be eager to assign penalties at the higher range of what the Copyright Act allows.

“If Voltage is asking for figures in excess of ($100) I think the court is going to shut them down pretty darn quickly,” Fewer said.

“And if that’s the case I think Voltage is done because this is no longer a viable business model. And that’s what the whole copyright troll thing is about, it’s about using the court process to get settlements that are in excess of what you could get for (actual) damages to scare people into settling.”

Fewer said he was happy that the court will vet any letters that Voltage sends to alleged copyright offenders, since they’re typically designed to scare people into settling a case.

“A lot of people just pay the settlement rather than deal with the uncertainty and the anxiety of the claim — and the model is predicated on that,” he said.

“Certain people are risk averse and it’s cheaper to settle rather than to hire a lawyer to deal with it, even if you are innocent.”

The Canadian Press
 

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They stole the movie and now they are getting caught
 

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They stole the movie and now they are getting caught
And they are not ripping off consumers selling Blu-Ray discs close for $25-$30 a pop? Compact Discs for $15-$20? They should be ashamed marking up their product by absurd amounts. Small wonder people do not want to pay and then go get it for free.
 

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And they are not ripping off consumers selling Blu-Ray discs close for $25-$30 a pop? Compact Discs for $15-$20? They should be ashamed marking up their product by absurd amounts. Small wonder people do not want to pay and then go get it for free.
It is still willful stealing.
 

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And they are not ripping off consumers selling Blu-Ray discs close for $25-$30 a pop? Compact Discs for $15-$20? They should be ashamed marking up their product by absurd amounts. Small wonder people do not want to pay and then go get it for free.
It's stealing.
 

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So you're in favour of ripping people off?
As soon as the movie industry gets is collective head out of its arse it won't have to worry about downloads.
Just as iTunes provided a cheap and easy method, its faster just to look there and quick to buy, the movie industry just makes it more of a pain to buy legit material.

Same with the newspaper sector, they need to do cheap electronic subsciptions and try to sign up more people, instead of basing their pricing on physical products.
 

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And they are not ripping off consumers selling Blu-Ray discs close for $25-$30 a pop? Compact Discs for $15-$20? They should be ashamed marking up their product by absurd amounts. Small wonder people do not want to pay and then go get it for free.
It's stealing.
 

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At least Teksavvy fought for due legal process instead of rolling over and giving the info up wholesale to a bunch of copyright trolls who base their business model on people not knowing their rights.
 

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So you're in favour of ripping people off?
If they are overpricing it, then don't buy it. It is not a justification for stealing. It's not like videos are a necessity of life like food.
 

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This is another reason why I love Linux!

Downloading movies and music is soooooo passé....


As you can see Hollywood and the RIAA Record Nazis are hard at work playing Big Brother making Internet Providers watch and report what its subscribers are doing and downloading. With today's technology catching peeps doing this is pretty easy.

However Linux has Screencaster programs that totally bypass downloading anything. What a Screencaster program like Kazam for instance does, is make a MKV digital file of whatever is playing on your PC monitor. Say you decide to watch a NetFlix movie on your PC, or ANY other streaming movie you find on the Internets Al Gore invented. You just open Kazam and make a digital copy of that flick while watching it. No downloading is done! You are merely making a digital copy of what you were viewing, that is totally undetectable by Hollywood, RIAA Record Nazis and Internet Providers ordered to police for illegal downloading.

Isn't technology great!!!.....
 

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Downloading movies and music is soooooo passé....


As you can see Hollywood and the RIAA Record Nazis are hard at work playing Big Brother making Internet Providers watch and report what its subscribers are doing and downloading. With today's technology catching peeps doing this is pretty easy.

However Linux has Screencaster programs that totally bypass downloading anything. What a Screencaster program like Kazam for instance does, is make a MKV digital file of whatever is playing on your PC monitor. Say you decide to watch a NetFlix movie on your PC, or ANY other streaming movie you find on the Internets Al Gore invented. You just open Kazam and make a digital copy of that flick while watching it. No downloading is done! You are merely making a digital copy of what you were viewing, that is totally undetectable by Hollywood, RIAA Record Nazis and Internet Providers ordered to police for illegal downloading.

Isn't technology great!!!.....
Great, so now you have a copy of something you've already seen. Seems kinda pointless. Most people that are downloading are getting stuff they've never seen before.
 

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I used to download when the industry was too stupid to make content available online, but now with Netflix, itunes, play, etc, I find I can usually stream the content lawfully, so I do.

Content available for streaming is actually still pretty limited and if I want something a little off the beaten path that Ican't find any legal way to purchase online I am still not against downloading.

I would support an amendment that downloading is not illegal where content has not been made available in a reasonable time at a reasonable price. That might force content owners to get off their asses and make a more complete catalogue available.

However I do think if you are downloading something you could rent on itunes for five bucks, you really are just stealing.
 
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Great, so now you have a copy of something you've already seen. Seems kinda pointless. Most people that are downloading are getting stuff they've never seen before.
You must have missed the whole VCR era.
Back then peeps did exactly that with videotape, what they are now doing today, digitally with Screencaster apps.
BTW I still have 100s of movies stored on videotape that still play fine. However back in the VCR era, movies were worth saving.
Don't feel the 'crap movies' of today are worth downloading or saving .....;)
 
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