Teachers Union Sabotaging Education

[JohnLarue]

^^^^^What the f....k are you talking about???

tax policy is not for unions to determine
do you have any idea how messed up it is to have taxation determined without representation?
As I recall that started a civil war

what dont you understand ?
1. unions do not get to determine tax policy- That should be pretty easy to follow
2. do you have any idea how messed up it is to have taxation determined without representation?- This should be easy to follow- Only elected representatives are able to determine tax policy. Unions reps are not elected by those your want to tax
In a democracy you need to have the ability to remove form office via the vote those who are determining tax policy. We do not have the option to vote the unions away
Therefore unions do not determine tax policy, so you do not get to say tax cuts are off the table

3. As I recall that started a civil war - The American revolution was started because Britain wanted to tax Americans without allowing them to be represented in the tax discussion

Ok we will just add history to the ever growing list of subjects you do not understand.
You are teacher- correct?
You did fake your way through a 3 year BA and a year of clown college - correct?
You did pass high school- correct?

 

[JohnLarue]

So what you're implying is that Covid will always be around us and we will never find a vaccine???
CERB was only used because Canadians were faced with this pandemic and a lot of jobs were lost? Is this going to continue forever??? Are the jobs never coming back??? Johnny do you realize how stupid some of your questions are??? Who does this remind us of?

Do you realize how stupid your statements are?

^Why??? The government stepped in and filled that gap.

And thus you think the economic problems related to the pandemic and the pre-existing unsustainable tax and debt burdens go away ??????

It is not going to work that way .... at all
The government will not be able to keep funding the one million people who have lost their jobs , let alone the ones who will lose their jobs in 2021
A vaccine is a minimum one year away, likely three years for world wide distribution, if and this is a huge if, they discover the vaccine tomorrow

Is this going to continue forever???

There is no guarantee a vaccine will be found. We can hope, but no guarantee
What I can guarantee is the government can not step in and fill that gap forever

Are the jobs never coming back???

a lot of them will not be coming back

60% of restaurants are predicted to close by November
There will be airline failures for sure
brick and morter retailers are screwed
Commercial real estate - levered up big time
Hotels?? - good luck
The federal government has been working real hard to shut down our oil and gas sector- no new investments will go into that sector as long as Trudeau is PM
Same for the mining industry (ex gold)
His carbon tax also wounded farmers - getting farm labor has also become a problem
You had better pray the food industry stays healthy

Now think about all the business and employees that support the above industries- they will get screwed too
also when bankruptcies increase credit gets tightened

So to answer your dumb ass question- No, a lot of jobs are not coming back
So we are going to have negative economic growth for some time
The job losses in 2021 could be much worse than in 2020- a lot of business have been hanging on by their finger tips
So standards of living will go down in Canada as will government revenues

So we simply can not afford to continue to compensate you excessively
we could not afford it before . 15-16 straight years of provincial deficits and excessive tax and debt burdens on the average family
Now???? forget it

Get it now?

 

[squeezer]

Whatever gave you the strange notion that I am a Donald Trump fan?
Oh yes. You assumed and you assumed wrong

Actually Johnny, I am well aware you're not a Trumpfart disciple and I give you props for that! I place you a notch above the Boob for having enough common sense to not defend a lying ass as BOOB does.

He is a mean spirited vindictive man ill-suited for the position
His entire philosophy is based upon applying leverage and he singularly focused on what is best for him as opposed to what is best for all vested parties
i.e. a carbon copy of the union play book
odd how you dispise the man yet support this behavior in a union?

OMG OMG, now I'm getting a little worried because except for your union nonsense, I agree with you once again!!!

I agree with some of his policies, defiantly not all of them, however, the bottom line is he is not the right man for the job

if he cheated on his taxes, I hope he goes to jail
The American electorate will decide his status as POTUS in November

Fuck, shit! Stop it, JUST STOP IT!!! I need to berate you so I can enjoy my evening!!!!!!!

You have been told on the side ?
Really ???? who is this mysterious person feeding you incorrect information about what I am thinking?
Perhaps you can find out what I will have for lunch tomorrow. I have not figured that out yet, but your guy apparently knows what I am thinking, better than I do

Now slither away again

Finally I can pick on you! Damn, your dense! If you followed this thread you would see you ranting about being told to leave. Come on man, don't be a Boob. As for lunch I don't give a rat's ass what you will be eating but hoping it's not a spam sandwich. As for slithering, no, can't do that. I am more of a strut when I walk as opposed to a slither!!!

 

[SammyS]

tax policy is not for unions to determine
do you have any idea how messed up it is to have taxation determined without representation?
As I recall that started a civil war

^^^^God you are so narrow minded. When did I ever say unions get to decide tax policy? We're having a discussion and you're concerned about debt. So I provided you with an alternative to get unions on the government side and address the problem of provincial and federal debt. But alas... you're hopeless!!!

what dont you understand ?
1. unions do not get to determine tax policy- That should be pretty easy to follow
2. do you have any idea how messed up it is to have taxation determined without representation?- This should be easy to follow- Only elected representatives are able to determine tax policy. Unions reps are not elected by those your want to tax
In a democracy you need to have the ability to remove form office via the vote those who are determining tax policy. We do not have the option to vote the unions away
Therefore unions do not determine tax policy, so you do not get to say tax cuts are off the table

^^^^^Yes I already know that Johnny!!!

3. As I recall that started a civil war - The American revolution was started because Britain want to tax Americans with allowing them to be represented
Ok we will just add history to the ever growing list of subjects you do not understand.
You are teacher- correct?
You did fake your way through a 3 year BA and a year of clown college - correct?
You did pass high school- correct?

^^^^^Wow that was really engaging. Too bad you never became a teacher.

^^^^^Kids would have loved you!!!

 

[SammyS]

Do you realize how stupid my statements are?

^^^^Ummm yes I do recognize your stupid statements. There are many to choose from. LOL

And thus you think the economic problems related to the pandemic and the pre-existing unsustainable tax and debt burdens go away ??????
^^^^Ummm Johnny ADHD boy... focus you're talking about unemployment and now you're back on tax and debt. Focus
And pre-existing unsustainable tax that's you... you've found not a single shread of evidence that taxes are too high in Canada. If Canadians had to make a decision... keep taxes where they are now OR cut taxes but other services will also be cut who do you think would win???

Yep... you'd feel a whopping!!!

It is not going to work that way .... at all
The government will not be able to keep funding the one million people who have lost their jobs , let alone the ones who will lose their jobs in 2021
A vaccine is a minimum one year away, likely three years for world wide distribution, if and this is a huge if, they discover the vaccine tomorrow
^^^^Well let's look at the data. (Something you definitely don't know how to do) For somebody with no pre-existing conditions my age the chance of me dying from Covid 19 is .09% the chance of me being in a car accident and dying is .8%. People who are 80+ and contract the virus have like a 35% chance of not making it so if they find a vaccine it will be given to the elderly and people with pre-existing medical problems. And the government could fund this for 5 years if they had to, it would be a complete mess but they could do it.

There is no guarantee a vaccine will be found. We can hope, but no guarantee
What I can guarantee is the government can not step in and fill that gap forever


a lot of them will not be coming back

^^^^ And the winner of the TERB Member Stupidity Award for 2020 goes to...

^^^^^I think he's happy.

60% of restaurants are predicted to close by November
There will be airline failures for sure
brick and morter retailers are screwed
Commercial real estate - levered up big time
Hotels?? - good luck
^^^^^If a vaccine was discovered in 6 months. I'm sorry but what's happened for many, many, many people would be a thing of the past. I agree with you 100% of the jobs are not all coming back that were lost from the pandemic...but 90 to 95%... would be my guess.

The federal government has been working real hard to shut down our oil and gas sector- no new investments will go into that sector as long as Trudeau is PM
Same for the mining industry (ex gold)
His carbon tax also wounded farmers - getting farm labor has also become a problem
You had better pray the food industry stays healthy
^^^^^Now we're on Trudeau and the Liberals... medication Johnny please make sure you have it tomorrow. Thank you

Now think about all the business and employees that support the above industries- they will get screwed too
also when bankruptcies increase credit gets tightened

So to answer your dumb ass question- No, a lot of jobs are not coming back
So we are going to have negative economic growth for some time
The job losses in 2021 could be much worse than in 2020- a lot of business have been hanging on by their finger tips
So standards of living will go down in Canada as will government revenues
^^^^^And that's not happening any where else???

So we simply can not afford to continue to compensate you excessively
we could not afford it before . 15-16 straight years of provincial deficits and excessive tax and debt burdens on the average family Now???? forget it
^^^^^Okay Johnny, explain to me how that is going to change???
Is Ford going to mandate a 20% pay cut and benefits are gone???
You have no concept of what happens in the real world. If the government follows your lead and targets the debt buts also cuts taxes they won't be in power very long. That's the real world... not Johnny's world. Please, take your medication tomorrow. Do I need to write a note home to your mom???!!!

 

[JohnLarue]

OMG OMG, now I'm getting a little worried because except for your union nonsense, I agree with you once again!!!

Explain how Trumps philosophy's differs from that of a union?
1. both are based based upon applying leverage and
2. both are singularly focused on what is best for him/them as opposed to what is best for all vested parties

Explain how the philosophies differ?
do they not both apply leverage at in the most despicable way? Yes
are both not singularly focused on what is best for him/them as opposed to what is best for all vested parties ?Yes

You dispise Trumps behavior , yet support the same behavior unconditionally if a union does it

Finally I can pick on you! Damn, your dense! If you followed this thread you would see you ranting about being told to leave.

How does an obnoxious and dispicable demand from SammyS for me to move translate into

I've been told on the slide you are considering moving there because Americans pay less on their tax bill to the public school system

??????

I found his demand to be almost as despicable as his using children as bargaining pawns , so why in the world would I consider his demand as a viable option?

Do you have trouble following logic all the time?

 

[JohnLarue]

^^^^God you are so narrow minded. When did I ever say unions get to decide tax policy?

You agreed the debt debt needs to be addressed , but no way to tax cuts
Your a union rep, so you represent them.
That is a union rep stating what taxation policy must be


BTW
A couple of questions ,for you
1. since you agreed the govt debt debt needs to be addressed how much of a concession are you willing to make % wise on the compensation ?
2. What is your rational for agreeing to debt reduction, but not tax cuts for the average family?

Lets guess
1. zero % wise concession and you will continue with "Screw you I demand my raise"
. You will insist on raising taxes on the 10% who already pay 54% of the income taxes despite knowing they will leave or put their money to sleep
2. You are thinking - must protect your cash cow government finances and screw the average family

So no solution at all

 

[JohnLarue]

^^^^^Kids would have loved you!!!

At least they could trust me not to use them as negotiating pawns

 

[JohnLarue]

If a vaccine was discovered in 6 months. I'm sorry but what's happened for many, many, many people would be a thing of the past. I agree with you 100% of the jobs are not all coming back that were lost from the pandemic...but 90 to 95%... would be my guess.

Dream on

^^^^^Now we're on Trudeau and the Liberals... medication Johnny please make sure you have it tomorrow. Thank you

what you never realized economics is more complicated than finger painting and puppet shows?
Do you think the oil and gas sector (a vey huge driver of government revenues ) is going to coming roaring back to what 90 to 95% as long as Mr, Dress Up is PM

Dream on

^^^^^And that's not happening any where else???

That might be relevant if the money for your excessive compensation was generated anywhere else
But it is not is it?..

Are your really that stunned?

The money for your excessive compensation is generated here in Canada, Ontario specifically
So what occurs elsewhere is not relevant, unless you have a plan for internationally extortion
Gee too bad for you that you can not use swiss kids to demand more money

What a fool

^^^^^Okay Johnny, explain to me how that is going to change???
Is Ford going to mandate a 20% pay cut and benefits are gone???
You have no concept of what happens in the real world. If the government follows your lead and targets the debt buts also cuts taxes they won't be in power very long.
That's the real world... not Johnny's world. Please, take your medication tomorrow. Do I need to write a note home to your mom???!!!

Real world??
You live in a union protected bubble and do not have a god damn clue about the real world
Jesus ... A self absorbed finger painting expert telling me about the real world ??????

Let me explain to you what is really going to happen
1. consumer debt will cause a tsunami of bankruptcies in the lower and middle class.
and/ or
2. credit will become tighter and tighter for governments as the debt continues to mount, Ontario can not print money and lenders will either stop lending or demand higher rates. It is a viscous circle
debt service costs will continue to increase eat up a bigger slice of a decreasing pie and we shall have a Health care crisis

Both are unsustainable and need to be addressed
either one will be fatal for whoever is in office

Which will happen first?
the pandemic may trigger the average family financial crisis
the government debt bomb will occur a lot sooner than you think


The solution to either / both is a massive reduction in government spending, which requires union cooperation
The alternative is to fact track on-line learning and massive layoffs or outright privatization of education
You do not want this scenario so best start co-operating

This is not cooperation

Elementary student make for better negotiating pawns, vs high school students, it screws the parents around more when we use the elementary students as pawns
We only screw the kids around once every four years
The battle with the unions will never end
Screw you, I demand my raise

 

[SammyS]

You agreed the debt debt needs to be addressed , but no way to tax cuts
Your a union rep, so you represent them.
That is a union rep stating what taxation policy must be
^^^^^What union is going to make a concession when the government is providing a tax cut??? Good luck bargaining with the unions... Johnny, maybe you could represent the government... LOL

BTW
A couple of questions ,for you
1. since you agreed the govt debt debt needs to be addressed how much of a concession are you willing to make % wise on the compensation ?
^^^^^Did you not read my post before??? OMG the amount of wasted money that is in education.
2. What is your rational for agreeing to debt reduction, but not tax cuts for the average family?
^^^^^Who is going to make a concession when you're cutting taxes for other people??? If you have some examples you can share with everyone I would love to hear them.

Lets guess
1. zero % wise concession and you will continue with "Screw you I demand my raise"

^^^^^LOL... Johnny.... cut the debt, cut taxes and cut teachers pay and benefits!!!
Yep, if you're going to give tax cuts but want unions to make concessions for it... add fuel to the fire... great call.

2. You are thinking - must protect your cash cow government finances and screw the average family
So no solution at all
^^^^^Again, I already mentioned my method and at least I would get results and everyone would be happy.

^^^^^Johnny's success!!!

 

[SammyS]

At least they could trust me not to use them as negotiating pawns

Back to Johnny being upset because he doesn't get things his way!!!

 

[SammyS]

Let me explain to you what is really going to happen
1. consumer debt will cause a tsunami of bankruptcies in the lower and middle class.
and/ or
2. credit will become tighter and tighter for governments as the debt continues to mount, Ontario can not print money and lenders will either stop lending or demand higher rates. It is a viscous circle
debt service costs will continue to increase eat up a bigger slice of a decreasing pie and we shall have a Health care crisis
Both are unsustainable and need to be addressed
either one will be fatal for whoever is in office

^^^^^Love it so let's reduce the debt and cut taxes, reduce the debt and cut taxes. That has been your message all along. Are you changing your position now??? Do you understand how stupid your idea is... or if it's not yours the one you read in the Toronto Sun???

 

[JohnLarue]

Let me explain to you what is really going to happen
1. consumer debt will cause a tsunami of bankruptcies in the lower and middle class.
and/ or
2. credit will become tighter and tighter for governments as the debt continues to mount, Ontario can not print money and lenders will either stop lending or demand higher rates. It is a viscous circle
debt service costs will continue to increase eat up a bigger slice of a decreasing pie and we shall have a Health care crisis
Both are unsustainable and need to be addressed
either one will be fatal for whoever is in office

^^^^^Love it so let's reduce the debt and cut taxes, reduce the debt and cut taxes. That has been your message all along. Are you changing your position now??? Do you understand how stupid your idea is... or if it's not yours the one you read in the Toronto Sun???

I am just telling you what is going to happen because of unsustainable tax and debt burdens and uncooperative unions and you insist on making it about me
Do you understand how stupid your position is

Elementary student make for better negotiating pawns, vs high school students, it screws the parents around more when we use the elementary students as pawns
We only screw the kids around once every four years
The battle with the unions will never end
Screw you, I demand my raise

 

[JohnLarue]

Back to Johnny being upset because he doesn't get things his way!!!

back to SammyS thinking a puppet show is a legitimate response to serious problems

 

[JohnLarue]

^^^^^What union is going to make a concession when the government is providing a tax cut??? Good luck bargaining with the unions... Johnny, maybe you could represent the government... LOL

So you do think unions get to make tax policy

 

[JohnLarue]

Again, I already mentioned my method and at least I would get results and everyone would be happy.

As I mentioned raising taxes on the rich will not work and it will not reduce the tax or debt burden on the average family
The only ones happy would be the union

 

[JohnLarue]

You have no concept of what happens in the real world. If the government follows your lead and targets the debt buts also cuts taxes they won't be in power very long.

So in your "real" world the greed of 200,000 teachers and their union prevail against the interests of the rest of the population (the average family) of the province because the union would intimidate the government.
In your "real" world unions get to dictate tax policy

if anyone was searching for a reason to revisit the labor laws in Ontario, you have just made the case for doing so

 

[squeezer]

Explain how Trumps philosophy's differs from that of a union?
1. both are based based upon applying leverage and
2. both are singularly focused on what is best for him/them as opposed to what is best for all vested parties

Explain how the philosophies differ?
do they not both apply leverage at in the most despicable way? Yes
are both not singularly focused on what is best for him/them as opposed to what is best for all vested parties ?Yes

You dispise Trumps behavior , yet support the same behavior unconditionally if a union does it

Come on Johnny, don't sound like a BOOB!

The union represents its membership and is paid to achieve a hard-fought solid contract. What part of that do you not understand? Past governments could have declared teachers an essential service and avoiding strikes but obviously feel it is better to negotiate. If you know better, run for office and stop the bellyaching against one profession. You are sounding like a crusty old spam eating wannabe teacher!!!

How does an obnoxious and dispicable demand from SammyS for me to move translate into

??????

I found his demand to be almost as despicable as his using children as bargaining pawns, so why in the world would I consider his demand as a viable option?

Do you believe Sammy sits at the bargaining table and demands anything besides having 1 vote, maybe 2 if Sammy's spouse is a teacher as well? Come on Johnny, you're smarter than that. If you concentrate on your pay and perks perhaps you can enjoy a cottage, a nice car, a yacht, and more. It's all attainable with the right strategies and hard work, just ask Sammy!

Do you have trouble following logic all the time?

Nah, I'm pretty good at following logic and sorting through the nonsense and bullshit.

 

[Frankfooter]

So in your "real" world the greed of 200,000 teachers and their union prevail against the interests of the rest of the population (the average family) of the province because the union would intimidate the government.
In your "real" world unions get to dictate tax policy

if anyone was searching for a reason to revisit the labor laws in Ontario, you have just made the case for doing so

Only employers are allowed to use pressure during negotiations?
That's the larue solution.

 

[SammyS]

I am just telling you what is going to happen because of unsustainable tax and debt burdens and uncooperative unions and you insist on making it about me
Do you understand how stupid your position is

^^^^^LOL.... we NEED to reduce the debt.... but lets cut taxes.

^^^^Johnny on a typical day!!!