Teachers strike/walkout/protest

[Frankfooter]

This is a problem with our system. The pipeline is enforced. The funnel encouraged... Think of how many bright and capable minds are bypassed? Why are they bypassed? Many reasons...

Ah, I see you have also availed yourself of this method of education.

No they are not... They signed up for the Government job and are expecting the payday promised which cannot be delivered in these times. We do not have the money.

Don't get me wrong... I hate that our government hired a shit tonne of Parliament Assistants at high pay...

Regardless of party affiliation, we all must demand more.

They signed up for a job, held off on raises for a decade and now think that with 7% inflation, a raise is reasonable.
If Ford can afford to give away $364 million in $200 payments to parents, he can afford $200 million for support workers. At least he'd get something with our money.

The guy also gave up $1 billion a year in revenue from license renewals.
Its not about the money.

 

[jimieboe]

Doug Ford spent $386 million with his $200 bribe to parents.
Support workers were only asking for $200 million.

Not to mention Ford's sticker license cut is costing Ontario $1 billion in lost revenue a year.

Yes putting money back in pockets of us hard working individuals who pay some of the highest tax in the world...thank Christ for Dougie!!!

 

[danmand]

Yes putting money back in pockets of us hard working individuals who pay some of the highest tax in the world...thank Christ for Dougie!!!

Hard working - they are slackers.

 

[jimieboe]

Hard working - they are slackers.

Lol..was talking about Doug giving back money to us tax payers not using it to feed the unions

 

[JohnLarue]

Based on 6/hrs a day and all holidays summers off plus benefits and a good pension ...I wouɔd say its pretty dam good for no education...FYI - I do have the facts straight from an EA so mayne you should do some homework

here are some facts
School union making false claims about low wages and cuts to education | Toronto Sun

n the 2017-18 school year, there were 125,980 teachers plus 9,054 early childhood educators overseeing 2,020,301 students. Now we have 130,923 teachers, plus 10,072 early childhood educators for a student population of 2,025,258. We’ve gone 16.1 students per teacher in 2018 to 15.4 last year and the government is still hiring more people.

In 2017-18, the total education budget was $29 billion, it’s now more than $32 billion with spending increasing every year and hiring increasing every year as enrolment is flat.

CUPE’s initial ask was for 11.7% annual increases for three years, the government’s offer was 2% per year for four years. The government came up to 2.5% for the lowest paid workers and 1.5% per year for those making less than $43,000 per year.

That’s on par with most collective agreements reached this year according to the data collected by Statistics Canada. So far this year, the national average wage settlement is 1.8%, even lower than the 2% the Trudeau government is offering federal workers.

CUPE has a lot of part-time workers who, according to their contracts, work six hours a day for 194 days a year. Once holidays, PD days and March Break are factored in, that’s a 10 month-a-year part-time job.

This is why hourly wages are the better comparison.

The maintenance staff represented by CUPE in the Toronto District School Board earn between $20.82/hour for a part-time cleaner, up to $42.23/hour for a building automation specialist. Head caretakers earn between $30 and $35/hour.

The average income in Ontario in 2021 was $ 52,600 >>> $28.05 / hr based on 37.5 hrs / week & 50 weeks, $29.22. hr if they have four weeks' vacation
The average employee in Ontario likely works more than 37.5 hrs a week to earn that $52,600

Average Income in Canada 2022: Does Your Salary Measure Up? - Insurdinary

CUPE’s demands are ridiculous

 

[HotDogWater]

Educators mold our society from the very beginning. They have our children for the better part of the day, sometimes more than we do on a given day. I would want a happy person who's well compensated to teach my children, every day. I see too many teachers who don't give a flying fuck about embracing the power they have and how and what their affects can have on our society. They're there for a pay cheque and if that isn't satisfactory, they leave. The ones who stay, are the real educator's. We'll see who's left standing after this strike.

They deserve more.

 

[shack]

I would if not a single cent go to monopoly public sector unions. I want that money to go reduce the debt that we pass on to our children and grandchildren but not a single cent to greedy teachers who can retire at age 55 with a fully indexed pension.

And how about no tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

 

[jimieboe]

here are some facts
School union making false claims about low wages and cuts to education | Toronto Sun












The average income in Ontario in 2021 was $ 52,600 >>> $28.05 / hr based on 37.5 hrs / week & 50 weeks, $29.22. hr if they have four weeks' vacation
The average employee in Ontario likely works more than 37.5 hrs a week to earn that $52,600

Average Income in Canada 2022: Does Your Salary Measure Up? - Insurdinary

CUPE’s demands are ridiculous

 

[jimieboe]

Lets just agree to diagree on this...I'm not a big fan if unions...even less now with how they are handling this...kids are not to be used as bargaining chips....IMO

 

[NotADcotor]

he ones who stay, are the real educator's

Actually the ones who give a shit tend not to be able to take it for very long and burn out, its the ones who don't give a fuck who can go through the motions to get their pensions.

Same thing for call centers, if you give a fuck the place will drive you mad. If you don't give a fuck, if you actually enjoy lying to customers and feed off customer suffering [I know a guy] it's a fine job because the downsides no longer are downsides.

Exceptions rules yadda yadda.

 

[Ghbff]

he is a taxpayer & a Canadian citizen
public sector employees work for Canadian citizens

sadly you think it is the other way around

So you would agree then that they deserve a living wage?

 

[JohnLarue]

So you would agree then that they deserve a living wage?

No, I would not agree
no employer owes an employee a standard of living
they need to offer a competitive wage or the employee will go work elsewhere

if the employee wants more compensation they need go and get skills that are in demand so they can command more compensation

that is how it works

 

[Ghbff]

No, I would not agree
no employer owes an employee a standard of living
they need to offer a competitive wage or the employee will go work elsewhere

if the employee wants more compensation they need go and get skills that are in demand so they can command more compensation

that is how it works

Okay but by your logic then the police work for us the taxpayers. And I say we defund the police since the money I pay in taxes pay them.

 

[JohnLarue]

Okay but by your logic then the police work for us the taxpayers. And I say we defund the police since the money I pay in taxes pay them.

answered in another thread

no I would not agree & no that is not my logic at all
I value law and order & if you had any sense at all you should too


Are you that foolish that you equate police with school janitors ?

Are you also so stunned you need to make the same ridiculous / foolish statement twice ?
or are you a bot, not capable of processing common sense?

 

[squeezer]

Based on 6/hrs a day and all holidays summers off plus benefits and a good pension ...I wouɔd say its pretty dam good for no education...FYI - I do have the facts straight from an EA so mayne you should do some homework

They do not get paid through the summer or March break unless they are at work like the custodial staff. Your not knowing this tells me you do not have the facts but only assumptions.

I didn't expect Ford to let them have what they are asking for but considering they have not had a fair raise for a while, meeting them halfway and not bringing down the "notwithstanding clause" would have calmed the waters and kids would probably have been in school on Friday and returning to school on Monday.

 

[Frankfooter]

Okay but by your logic then the police work for us the taxpayers. And I say we defund the police since the money I pay in taxes pay them.

And doctors, we should pay them all $39,000 a year as well.
By the larue logic that should be the wage of everyone who works for the government, including Dougie.
Doctors, nurses, cops.
Pay them all as little as possible to save us poor taxpayers.

 

[squeezer]

And doctors, we should pay them all $39,000 a year as well.
By the larue logic that should be the wage of everyone who works for the government, including Dougie.
Doctors, nurses, cops.
Pay them all as little as possible to save us poor taxpayers.

I wonder if Johnny works for less and envies the workers at the "trough" making a whole $39000 a year?

 

[danmand]

The Ford government is really stupid in creating a big war with unions. They are doing it in order to gain support from the neanderthals (many here).

In the end the government will have to make deals with the unions, what they are doing now will just make it more difficult. A stupid approach.

The winning approach is to create a sense of cooperation between management and unions. That is why large European companies have union representatives on their board of directors.

 

[Butler1000]

They do not get paid through the summer or March break unless they are at work like the custodial staff. Your not knowing this tells me you do not have the facts but only assumptions.

I didn't expect Ford to let them have what they are asking for but considering they have not had a fair raise for a while, meeting them halfway and not bringing down the "notwithstanding clause" would have calmed the waters and kids would probably have been in school on Friday and returning to school on Monday.

They take unemployment for the summer. So that pay actually gets added on to their yearly pay. Or they take another job for the two months. And that pay gets added on to their yearly total.

So either way the get more pay. But more importantly they go into the career KNOWING THIS. And the pay information is available.

 

[Butler1000]

The Ford government is really stupid in creating a big war with unions. They are doing it in order to gain support from the neanderthals (many here).

In the end the government will have to make deals with the unions, what they are doing now will just make it more difficult. A stupid approach.

The winning approach is to create a sense of cooperation between management and unions. That is why large European companies have union representatives on their board of directors.

The education unions long ago decided to NEVER back the Consrvatives and in fact run ads to hurt them on a regular basis. They chose the path to actively campaign against them not just during elections but during the entire tenure.

But if you notice the Conservatives had the backing of several trades unions this time. So its not that they are anti union. But economic realities kick in.