Sweden's refugee problem

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As mentioned in a book that does not bear reading. Muslim activism is at near zero at 2% of the population. However once the critical mass gets to about 20% things begin to change. Strength in numbers spawns more strident demands. At least muslim dads are for now sending their daughters back home for circumcisions

Canadian girls are being taken abroad to undergo female genital mutilation, documents reveal

Canada has done little to understand the scope of the problem and is lagging far behind other developed countries in their efforts to prevent “vacation cutting,” experts say.

www.thestar.com

That's not the problem.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/london-terrorism-trial-1.6997843

 

[basketcase]

Now compare how many White men live in the USA compared to how many Muslims live in the USA.

I can't believe I have to get this rudimentary for you. Do you have even the slightest idea how statistics works?

So you live in fear of something essentially non-existent because "that's how statistics work"?

 

[basketcase]

Then there’s the pre arranged marriages and honour killings that do happen in Canada.

I know a Greek guy who had an arranged marriage. Also plenty of Hindus have them.

 

[basketcase]

That's not the problem.
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Part of the problem is elitist white Canadians keep making excuses for terrorism outside of Canada making it look like non-whites are incapable of rejecting terrorism.

 

[basketcase]

As mentioned in a book that does not bear reading. Muslim activism is at near zero at 2% of the population. However once the critical mass gets to about 20% things begin to change....

I love these imaginary 'conclusions' based on something that has never even come close to happening in Canada.

And by Canadian standards, there is nothing wrong with activism, as long as it is done in a peaceful way and not used to promote hatred. For example, I detest the Christian based activism against abortion but it is their right to peacefully promote their views.

 

[mandrill]

Well, in France, as in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and pretty much all of Europe, the general population wasn't asked if they were comfortable being swamped by alien immigrants who had no intention of assimilating. The situation was foisted on them with no discussion.
A point of view that gets completely ignored in the discussion is why it is only a one way street? Why aren't Middle Eastern, North African countries encouraging white immigration to their islamic paradises? How welcome would we feel and what chance of assimilating and becoming successful in their countries? Why do they all want to come here and nobody wants to go there? And why when they get here they don't want to go back?

I get the impression that the book you recommend I read is a simplistic, racist chunk of crap.

 

[mandrill]

As mentioned in a book that does not bear reading. Muslim activism is at near zero at 2% of the population. However once the critical mass gets to about 20% things begin to change. Strength in numbers spawns more strident demands. At least muslim dads are for now sending their daughters back home for circumcisions

Canadian girls are being taken abroad to undergo female genital mutilation, documents reveal

Canada has done little to understand the scope of the problem and is lagging far behind other developed countries in their efforts to prevent “vacation cutting,” experts say.

www.thestar.com

That's because the book is horseshit and racist garbage.

Let's do it this way. The Muslim population of the GTA is 8%. Surely at 8% the Muslim population would be noticeably difficult to control and violent already. Ethnic minorities don't suddenly "change character" once they hit 20% of the general population.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that the Muslim population would be quiescent and well behaved at 19.9% of the population and suddenly become violent and uncontrollable at exactly 20%?!?!?!?!?

Surely at 8% the Muslim population would already be impossible to deal with, if Muslims were anything like the book describes.

 

[dirtyharry555]

So you live in fear of something essentially non-existent because "that's how statistics work"?

Society and culture are more fickle than raw statistics.

"One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".

In the not so distant future I'll be saddened with yet another pyrrhic victory when I say to you, "told you so.".

 

[mandrill]

Then there’s the pre arranged marriages and honour killings that do happen in Canada.

They don't happen in Canada. It's a Far Right racist trope.

The last documented honour killing in Canada took place in 2008, IIRC.

This event is continually trumpeted by TERB fascists as "evidence" that Muslims will destroy Canada and it has to be pointed out to them again and again that it was an isolated incident a decade and a half ago.

 

[mandrill]

Society and culture are more fickle than raw statistics.

"One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".

In the not so distant future I'll be saddened with yet another pyrrhic victory when I say to you, "told you so.".

Proof, Dirty.

Go google "bad Muslims in Ontario" and post what you find. I dare you. Go do it.

 

[dirtyharry555]

They don't happen in Canada. It's a Far Right racist trope.

https://thecrimewire.com/institutional/Honour-Killing-in-Canada

" A preliminary examination of “honour killings” by the Government of Canada stated the country had documented at least a dozen killings committed in the name of “honour” between 1999 and 2009. "

That's more than 1 per year between 1999 and 2009. Who knows how many since then.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Islam in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Growth of the Muslim population in Canada has resulted in a rise in incidents related to Islamic fundamentalism and violent Islamic extremism has become a leading threat to Canada's national security.[57][58]

In 2017 the Islamic Society of North America, Islamic Services of Canada and Canadian Islamic Trust Foundation were stripped of their status as charities by the government of Canada after an investigation revealed links to a foreign militant group. Both the stripped associations shared their postal address in Mississauga with ISNA Canada.[59]

In 2018, the Ottawa Islamic Centre and Assalam Mosque was stripped of its charity status by the Canadian government because many of its guest speakers were misogynistic, homophobic, racist and promoted violence.[60] The Canada Revenue Agency also raised concerns that radicalized individuals had attended the mosque, one of whom was imprisoned for having attempted to join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[60]

 

[dirtyharry555]

 

[Frankfooter]

Proof, Dirty.

Go google "bad Muslims in Ontario" and post what you find. I dare you. Go do it.

That's so 2019, mandrill.
All the cool kids have figured out they can demonize Palestinian Muslims instead.

 

[Not getting younger]

That's because the book is horseshit and racist garbage.

Let's do it this way. The Muslim population of the GTA is 8%. Surely at 8% the Muslim population would be noticeably difficult to control and violent already. Ethnic minorities don't suddenly "change character" once they hit 20% of the general population.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that the Muslim population would be quiescent and well behaved at 19.9% of the population and suddenly become violent and uncontrollable at exactly 20%?!?!?!?!?

Surely at 8% the Muslim population would already be impossible to deal with, if Muslims were anything like the book describes.

No idea how this topic ended up here. I’m reading a whole bunch of bold assertions by all, but no one is linking data. Basically pure speculation and supposition.

Not sure it’s um. Even available. We can find stats for victims of hate crimes. By far, those would be Jewish.

Canada: religious hate crimes by religion 2023| Statista

In Canada in 2023, the religious community most frequently affected by religious hate crimes was the Jewish community, which accounted for *** recorded religious hate crimes.

www.statista.com

And if proportional data doesn’t matter. Then it doesn’t matter when talking underrepresentation in the workforce, schools, or financial disadvantages. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

 

[mandrill]

Islam in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yup. That's it. That's the entire entry about Islamic extremism in that Wiki article.

In 2017, 2 Islamic organizations were stripped of their charitable status. And in 2018, another one was. In a Muslim-Canadian community with a population of 2,000,000 people.

How many crazy Christian nationalist white churches are there? How about the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys? How about the KKKonvoy in Ottawa? How about the Peace Bridge occupation?

If Muslims did a fraction of the shit that whites do, Dirty would be calling for all Muslims to be deported and demanding the right to kill Muslims on sight - kinda like the white dude in the US who just stabbed that 6 year old Muslim kid.

This is all about white entitlement for you guys.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

So read my earlier posts about Muslim immigrants into Canada being screened carefully under the point system.

There are probably a # of other differences. My understanding is that non whites in European countries are ghettoized and given no incentive to attempt to assimilate. The classic case would be France, which has a large Muslim population which is not accepted by the majority whites and is segregated in cites on the urban periphery.

In Canada, immigrants from all backgrounds make up the overwhelming majority of the urban populations and it's easy to assimilate and become successful as a non white immigrant. So no resentment or feelings of exclusion, but instead a stake in the good functioning of the country.

The classic case would be France, which has a large Muslim population which is not accepted by the majority whites and is segregated in cites on the urban periphery.
Cry me a river. By that logic we should watch our backs around the Chinese. Who really had it rough.
Chinese Canadians | The Canadian Encyclopedia

However. Nothing to see here with muslim immigration. Just don't piss them off.

Charlie Hebdo attack: Three days of terror - BBC News
Nearly 100 Dead After Paris Concert Terrorist Attack – Rolling Stone
Terrorists bomb trains in Madrid (history.com)
7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia
Theo Van Gogh – The Filmmaker Murdered For Making A Film About Islam (allthatsinteresting.com)
It's time to tell the truth about grooming gangs - spiked (spiked-online.com)

 

[mandrill]

The classic case would be France, which has a large Muslim population which is not accepted by the majority whites and is segregated in cites on the urban periphery.
Cry me a river. By that logic we should watch our backs around the Chinese. Who really had it rough.
Chinese Canadians | The Canadian Encyclopedia

However. Nothing to see here with muslim immigration. Just don't piss them off.

Charlie Hebdo attack: Three days of terror - BBC News
Nearly 100 Dead After Paris Concert Terrorist Attack – Rolling Stone
Terrorists bomb trains in Madrid (history.com)
7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia
Theo Van Gogh – The Filmmaker Murdered For Making A Film About Islam (allthatsinteresting.com)
It's time to tell the truth about grooming gangs - spiked (spiked-online.com)

Again, when this shit goes down in Canada, let me know. So far, whites kill Muslims in Canada, not the other way around. Imagine if the London ON murder had been a Muslim extremist killing a white family??!!.... You and Dirty would rant about it for months. Because it's a white on Muslim terror crime, you guys say not one single word.

(The grooming gangs is pretty debatable and those reports have been the subject of much controversy.)

 

[basketcase]

Society and culture are more fickle than raw statistics.

"One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".

In the not so distant future I'll be saddened with yet another pyrrhic victory when I say to you, "told you so.".

Or that's what the Turner Diaries tells you will happen.

p.s. Israel is 20% Muslim and despite being part of a highly contentious and emotional conflict for the past century, the vast majority of those Muslims would rather remain Israeli than be part of an Islamic Palestinian state.

And odds are, Canada will not reach anywhere near 20% Muslim in our lives or the next generations.

 

[mandrill]

Or that's what the Turner Diaries tells you will happen.

p.s. Israel is 20% Muslim and despite being part of a highly contentious and emotional conflict for the past century, the vast majority of those Muslims would rather remain Israeli than be part of an Islamic Palestinian state.

And odds are, Canada will not reach anywhere near 20% Muslim in our lives or the next generations.

Depending on the % of immigrants and birth rate, I think it's possible. The Muslim population has quadrupled in the last 20 years.

But here's the thing. The Muslim population will become culturally diluted over time. Do you think Italian Canadians give a fuck about Italy, 50 years after they migrated with their parents in the 1970's as kids??

You think Greek Canadians really give a fuck about Greece?

Muslims "Canadianize" just like everybody else.