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Sweden's refugee problem

basketcase

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He, somehow, inexplicably is also missing the significance of those belonging to the Jewish faith, being victims of hate crimes the most. Not by a little, by a lot.
Not here and not there.
Not happening anywhere.

Islamaphobia is a bigger issue here and hate crimes in the apartheid one state Israel happen way more often to Palestinians. There were 233 settler terrorist attacks this year before Oct, according to B'tselem. That's way more than hate crimes on Israeli Jews.

12 of 14 reported hate crimes relate to antisemitism, says Chief Myron Demkiw
 

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But not if you're Palestinian and there is an opposing people in your home country?
Fixation.

I can't remember Israelis (or Jews if you prefer) and Palestinians in Canada getting violent with each other. Maybe it has something to do with having Hamas ruling part of the region.
 

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No I wasn't taking a dig at your age. lol. China actually is in a demographic crisis. Look it up.

As for why not other countries, well you immigrate to ones where your life can be better in some way - it could be anything from money, to culture, to safety etc. For me I wanted to live in a liberal culture because I am a liberal, and India is too conservative. Others may have other reasons. People generally come here to improve some aspect of their lives. Immigrating to Yemen, Africa, Iran or Saudi Arabia or even China does not give me anything I am looking for, and if they did, I would have moved there, or atleast tried.

The mistake you are making, based on flawed logic, is to atleast mentally tie your quality of life to the skin colour of people around you and further reinforcing that flawed logic by reading racist, white nationalist, right wing books by racist pseudo-intellectuals. Stop doing that. Enjoy the diversity the world brings you that you are actually lucky to experience, because without that you'd at the very least be eating barely seasoned food. 😂
I actually do embrace Canada's multi culturalism. I have cordial relationships with pretty much everybody except Germans. In my day to day existence I am good terms with Chinese, Indian, Black and Middle Eastern people. I am not Archie Bunker. Canada was a pretty dismal backwater in the 50's. The French Canadians took most of the backlash as they were the perceived enemy. But, back to the original theme of the thread. I can't see that Sweden, or Europe has been improved by badly conceived and executed acceptance of hundreds of thousands of people who have no real interest in becoming Swedish, or British or anything else. Documented that they are simply on an opportunistic land grab that was foisted on their unsuspecting host. The general populace. Who weren't offered the choice of whether they wanted what they were getting.
 

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That's a very esoteric question. I will give it some thought after I have installed the shape charges and thermite.
Nice. You get called out on why you so object to mosques being build but not churches and your response is to hint you're going to blow them up.
 

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I actually do embrace Canada's multi culturalism. I have cordial relationships with pretty much everybody except Germans. In my day to day existence I am good terms with Chinese, Indian, Black and Middle Eastern people. I am not Archie Bunker. Canada was a pretty dismal backwater in the 50's. The French Canadians took most of the backlash as they were the perceived enemy. But, back to the original theme of the thread. I can't see that Sweden, or Europe has been improved by badly conceived and executed acceptance of hundreds of thousands of people who have no real interest in becoming Swedish, or British or anything else. Documented that they are simply on an opportunistic land grab that was foisted on their unsuspecting host. The general populace. Who weren't offered the choice of whether they wanted what they were getting.
So because Sweden has a history of xenophobia, they should continue being xenophobic?
 

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So because Sweden has a history of xenophobia, they should continue being xenophobic?
Definitely.
In the old days Sweden's xenophobia was an export commodity.
Anyway. What is wrong with the fucking countries these immigrants come from? Why don't they stay there? Swedes aren't flooding into North Africa or the middle east expecting to be welcomed and housed and embraced.
 

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Definitely.
In the old days Sweden's xenophobia was an export commodity.
Anyway. What is wrong with the fucking countries these immigrants come from? Why don't they stay there? Swedes aren't flooding into North Africa or the middle east expecting to be welcomed and housed and embraced.
Why do people from the 3rd World try to come to the Developed World, Robert?

Why did Irish come to America in the 1840's?

Why did Germans come to America in the 1850's?

That sort of thing.
 

Robert Mugabe

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Why do people from the 3rd World try to come to the Developed World, Robert?

Why did Irish come to America in the 1840's?

Why did Germans come to America in the 1850's?

That sort of thing.
The Irish and the Germans came to America when it was unfarmed and undeveloped. In short to build a new country.
People coming from overpopulated third world countries are coming here to grab a piece of the pie that was developed by generations of others. Why don't they stay in their countries and try to make something of what they have there? Because their countries are fucked up beyond all hope. The analogy of rats leaving a sinking ship seems like a more appropriate comparison than sturdy pioneers who came to America to farm and build cities and industry.
 

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The Irish and the Germans came to America when it was unfarmed and undeveloped. In short to build a new country.
People coming from overpopulated third world countries are coming here to grab a piece of the pie that was developed by generations of others. Why don't they stay in their countries and try to make something of what they have there? Because their countries are fucked up beyond all hope. The analogy of rats leaving a sinking ship seems like a more appropriate comparison than sturdy pioneers who came to America to farm and build cities and industry.
I could counter by saying that wealth was concentrated in the agricultural sector in the 1800's and is now concentrated in the commercial sector and a Syrian guy who opens a pizza shop is the equivalent of a guy from the Rhineland who bought a farm in Missouri in 1855.

Fact is that some countries - i.e. Canada, Australia, the US - encourage immigration.

And the European countries have all signed the UNCHR which mandates allowing refugees to seek asylum in those countries. If newcomers are making refugee claims, then "rats leaving a sinking ship" is a decent analogy, but it doesn't quite help you as much as you thought. Those countries can renounce the UNCHR, as can the USA. No one has. Why is that?.....

Because the rightie, anti refugee pols are far happier having the newcomers as a political issue to exploit than they would be if the issue was legislatively solved. It gives guys like you - and Nigel Farage - something to chomp on and it's useful. Without brown refugees, the UK Tories would never have won the Brexit referendum in 2016 and cemented a disastrous 7 more years in power in GB.
 

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I could counter by saying that wealth was concentrated in the agricultural sector in the 1800's and is now concentrated in the commercial sector and a Syrian guy who opens a pizza shop is the equivalent of a guy from the Rhineland who bought a farm in Missouri in 1855.

Fact is that some countries - i.e. Canada, Australia, the US - encourage immigration.

And the European countries have all signed the UNCHR which mandates allowing refugees to seek asylum in those countries. If newcomers are making refugee claims, then "rats leaving a sinking ship" is a decent analogy, but it doesn't quite help you as much as you thought. Those countries can renounce the UNCHR, as can the USA. No one has. Why is that?.....

Because the rightie, anti refugee pols are far happier having the newcomers as a political issue to exploit than they would be if the issue was legislatively solved. It gives guys like you - and Nigel Farage - something to chomp on and it's useful. Without brown refugees, the UK Tories would never have won the Brexit referendum in 2016 and cemented a disastrous 7 more years in power in GB.
You win.
 

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Seriously, if the pitch is "Sweden is a small, very homogeneous country which cannot absorb or assimilate a vast # of Muslim refugees and the latter are unsophisticated and unscreened and cannot assimilate in any event", it's a reasonable alternative to simply resile from the UNCHR - assuming that the situation is as dire as was just stated and not some Swedish Nigel Farage stoking xenophobia.

My point throughout this thread is that this is just not happening in Canada. And Canada needs the immigrants.
 

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Definitely.
In the old days Sweden's xenophobia was an export commodity.
Anyway. What is wrong with the fucking countries these immigrants come from? Why don't they stay there? Swedes aren't flooding into North Africa or the middle east expecting to be welcomed and housed and embraced.
Yeah, why other than the Swedish government welcomed these people would make them think that they would be at least somewhat welcome?

p.s. Assuming you're not indigenous, why did your ancestors leave their European shithole countries to come here?
 

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Yeah, why other than the Swedish government welcomed these people would make them think that they would be at least somewhat welcome?

p.s. Assuming you're not indigenous, why did your ancestors leave their European shithole countries to come here?
I pretty much throw in the towel on this subject, you will be happy to hear. Since nobody ever answers the question as to why people fleeing the countries from which they came should be entitled to just flood into our countries. ( the west) And why don't they stay and do something to fix the problems they are cutting and running from. except that it would take too much work. Keep'em coming I say, until their countries of origin are completely empty. Last one to leave, turn out the lights.
Anyway. The Swedish government welcomed these people. Not the Swedish populace.
No I am not indigenous. However I have friends who are. My ancestors came from England and Ireland a couple of hundred years ago. Shit hole countries maybe. Your call.
I leave you with this thought.

 
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I pretty much throw in the towel on this subject, you will be happy to hear. Since nobody ever answers the question as to why people fleeing the countries from which they came should be entitled to just flood into our countries. ( the west) ...
What gives anyone the right to live in a country other than the government says so? Democracies like Canada or Sweden choose to allow in immigrants then you'll have to live with it unless you can get the Heritage Front to run for office again.
 
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