Sweden's refugee problem

[Robert Mugabe]

Why do people from the 3rd World try to come to the Developed World, Robert?

Why did Irish come to America in the 1840's?

Why did Germans come to America in the 1850's?

That sort of thing.

The Irish and the Germans came to America when it was unfarmed and undeveloped. In short to build a new country.
People coming from overpopulated third world countries are coming here to grab a piece of the pie that was developed by generations of others. Why don't they stay in their countries and try to make something of what they have there? Because their countries are fucked up beyond all hope. The analogy of rats leaving a sinking ship seems like a more appropriate comparison than sturdy pioneers who came to America to farm and build cities and industry.

 

[mandrill]

The Irish and the Germans came to America when it was unfarmed and undeveloped. In short to build a new country.
People coming from overpopulated third world countries are coming here to grab a piece of the pie that was developed by generations of others. Why don't they stay in their countries and try to make something of what they have there? Because their countries are fucked up beyond all hope. The analogy of rats leaving a sinking ship seems like a more appropriate comparison than sturdy pioneers who came to America to farm and build cities and industry.

I could counter by saying that wealth was concentrated in the agricultural sector in the 1800's and is now concentrated in the commercial sector and a Syrian guy who opens a pizza shop is the equivalent of a guy from the Rhineland who bought a farm in Missouri in 1855.

Fact is that some countries - i.e. Canada, Australia, the US - encourage immigration.

And the European countries have all signed the UNCHR which mandates allowing refugees to seek asylum in those countries. If newcomers are making refugee claims, then "rats leaving a sinking ship" is a decent analogy, but it doesn't quite help you as much as you thought. Those countries can renounce the UNCHR, as can the USA. No one has. Why is that?.....

Because the rightie, anti refugee pols are far happier having the newcomers as a political issue to exploit than they would be if the issue was legislatively solved. It gives guys like you - and Nigel Farage - something to chomp on and it's useful. Without brown refugees, the UK Tories would never have won the Brexit referendum in 2016 and cemented a disastrous 7 more years in power in GB.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I could counter by saying that wealth was concentrated in the agricultural sector in the 1800's and is now concentrated in the commercial sector and a Syrian guy who opens a pizza shop is the equivalent of a guy from the Rhineland who bought a farm in Missouri in 1855.

Fact is that some countries - i.e. Canada, Australia, the US - encourage immigration.

And the European countries have all signed the UNCHR which mandates allowing refugees to seek asylum in those countries. If newcomers are making refugee claims, then "rats leaving a sinking ship" is a decent analogy, but it doesn't quite help you as much as you thought. Those countries can renounce the UNCHR, as can the USA. No one has. Why is that?.....

Because the rightie, anti refugee pols are far happier having the newcomers as a political issue to exploit than they would be if the issue was legislatively solved. It gives guys like you - and Nigel Farage - something to chomp on and it's useful. Without brown refugees, the UK Tories would never have won the Brexit referendum in 2016 and cemented a disastrous 7 more years in power in GB.

You win.

 

[mandrill]

You win.

Seriously, if the pitch is "Sweden is a small, very homogeneous country which cannot absorb or assimilate a vast # of Muslim refugees and the latter are unsophisticated and unscreened and cannot assimilate in any event", it's a reasonable alternative to simply resile from the UNCHR - assuming that the situation is as dire as was just stated and not some Swedish Nigel Farage stoking xenophobia.

My point throughout this thread is that this is just not happening in Canada. And Canada needs the immigrants.

 

[basketcase]

Definitely.
In the old days Sweden's xenophobia was an export commodity.
Anyway. What is wrong with the fucking countries these immigrants come from? Why don't they stay there? Swedes aren't flooding into North Africa or the middle east expecting to be welcomed and housed and embraced.

Yeah, why other than the Swedish government welcomed these people would make them think that they would be at least somewhat welcome?

p.s. Assuming you're not indigenous, why did your ancestors leave their European shithole countries to come here?

 

[basketcase]

I was just making a harmless joke Muslims don't joke around.
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So you try to justify your 'joke' by making racist comments? Have you ever met a Muslim?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

So you try to justify your 'joke' by making racist comments? Have you ever met a Muslim?

I never met a Muslim I didn't like.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Yeah, why other than the Swedish government welcomed these people would make them think that they would be at least somewhat welcome?

p.s. Assuming you're not indigenous, why did your ancestors leave their European shithole countries to come here?

I pretty much throw in the towel on this subject, you will be happy to hear. Since nobody ever answers the question as to why people fleeing the countries from which they came should be entitled to just flood into our countries. ( the west) And why don't they stay and do something to fix the problems they are cutting and running from. except that it would take too much work. Keep'em coming I say, until their countries of origin are completely empty. Last one to leave, turn out the lights.
Anyway. The Swedish government welcomed these people. Not the Swedish populace.
No I am not indigenous. However I have friends who are. My ancestors came from England and Ireland a couple of hundred years ago. Shit hole countries maybe. Your call.
I leave you with this thought.

 

[basketcase]

I pretty much throw in the towel on this subject, you will be happy to hear. Since nobody ever answers the question as to why people fleeing the countries from which they came should be entitled to just flood into our countries. ( the west) ...

What gives anyone the right to live in a country other than the government says so? Democracies like Canada or Sweden choose to allow in immigrants then you'll have to live with it unless you can get the Heritage Front to run for office again.