Sweden COVID-19 Death Rate Lower Than Spain, Italy and U.K., Despite Never Having Lockdown

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Lets see. Much higher death rate than their neighbours who did lock down and just as much economic damage. Sounds like a successful plan.

Death rate per 1M (as of today)
Sweden 568 (5th highest in Europe ignoring San Marino and Andorra)
Denmark 106
Finland 59
Norway 47
 

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COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in Sweden vs. Europe
Source: Johns Hopkins University (as of August 2)

  • Sweden: 56.40
  • Belgium: 86.19
  • U.K.: 69.60
  • Spain: 60.88
  • Italy: 58.16

COVID-19 case-fatality ratio of Sweden vs. Europe
Source: Johns Hopkins University (as of August 2)

  • Sweden: 7.1 percent
  • U.K.: 15.1 percent
  • Belgium: 14.2 percent
  • Italy: 14.2 percent
  • France: 13.4 percent
  • The Netherlands: 11.2 percent
  • Spain: 9.9 percent
New COVID-19 cases in Sweden vs. Europe in past 14 days
Source: World Health Organization (as of August 2)

  • Sweden: Down 46 percent
  • The Netherlands: Up 205 percent
  • Belgium: Up 150 percent
  • Spain: Up 113 percent
  • France: Up 72 percent
  • Germany: Up 59 percent
  • Finland: Up 160 percent
  • Denmark: Up 81 percent
  • Norway: Up 61 percent
  • U.K.: Up three percent
 

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Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, noted last week: "In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries,"
 

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Is that supposed to refute what I posted? Sweden's death rate is way higher than all of its neighbours and their refusal to lock down still resulted in a similar economic situation.

Death rate per 1M (as of today)
Sweden 568 (5th highest in Europe ignoring San Marino and Andorra)
Denmark 106
Finland 59
Norway 47
 
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Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden's public health agency, noted last week: "In many ways the voluntary measures we put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lockdowns in other countries,"
As long as they don't count death rate compared to their neighbours....
 

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Lets see. Much higher death rate than their neighbours who did lock down and just as much economic damage. Sounds like a successful plan.

Death rate per 1M (as of today)
Sweden 568 (5th highest in Europe ignoring San Marino and Andorra)
Denmark 106
Finland 59
Norway 47
First of all Sweden has twice the population than Denmark, Finland or Norway.
Second of all, you shouldnt solely look at death rates because those can come down to other factors like more diabetics, more obese people, more older people....etc...etc. All those are contributing factors to a higher death rate.

You should be looking at daily new infections. Sweden has done very well in that department. They have done as well as other countries who are the same size as them, but they've done so without shutting down their entire economy, and without making everyone wear masks everywhere.

Source 1: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Source 2: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/sweden-remains-face-mask-free-world/
 

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Second of all, you shouldnt solely look at death rates because those can come down to other factors like more diabetics, more obese people, more older people....etc...etc. All those are contributing factors to a higher death rate.
Wow, what a fucked up statement. Let the fat folks and people with underlying conditions die! I guess everyone in your family is strong and healthy?


The unusual strategy has attracted global criticism, with even some of Dr Tegnell's early supporters saying they now regret the approach. Annika Linde, who did his job between 2005 and 2013, recently told Sweden's biggest daily newspaper Dagens Nyheter she believed tougher restrictions at the start of the pandemic could have saved lives.


Anders Tegnell says his modelling indicates that, on average, Swedes have around 30% of the social interactions they did prior to the pandemic.

And a survey released this week by Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency suggests 87% of the population are continuing to follow social distancing recommendations to the same extent as they were one or two weeks earlier, up from 82% a month ago.


 

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Wow, what a fucked up statement. Let the fat folks and people with underlying conditions die! I guess everyone in your family is strong and healthy?
*facepalm*

You're a typical Liberal, all emotions and no brains.
I never said let them die, I said if you want to stop a pandemic you have to focus on daily new infections first
 

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*facepalm*

You're a typical Liberal, all emotions and no brains.
I never said let them die, I said if you want to stop a pandemic you have to focus on daily new infections first
Then it's simple, Social distancing and mask-wearing in indoor public places yet your fellow amigos fight everything. Scream about lockdowns but do not want to take any preventive measures to avoid spikes and lockdowns.
 

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First of all Sweden has twice the population than Denmark, Finland or Norway.
Second of all, you shouldnt solely look at death rates because those can come down to other factors like more diabetics, more obese people, more older people....etc...etc. All those are contributing factors to a higher death rate.

You should be looking at daily new infections. Sweden has done very well in that department. They have done as well as other countries who are the same size as them, but they've done so without shutting down their entire economy, and without making everyone wear masks everywhere.

Source 1: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Source 2: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/sweden-remains-face-mask-free-world/
But Phil, you get that those statistics are proportionate to population size, huh? So absolute demographic size is not relevant to the comparison.

If anything, Denmark is more exposed because it is smaller and the population more concentrated.

If you want to "prove" that Sweden was more exposed due to % of already unhealthy folks or some other vulnerability, can you produce stats and evidence that go a little further than your usual "Libtards suck!" argument??
 

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Then it's simple, Social distancing and mask-wearing in indoor public places yet your fellow amigos fight everything. Scream about lockdowns but do not want to take any preventive measures to avoid spikes and lockdowns.
Dude really, try to follow my posts before making stupid comments like this. I was never against social distancing.
I'm not against partial lockdowns either. I'm only against wearing masks in certain indoor places
 

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Dude really, try to follow my posts before making stupid comments like this. I was never against social distancing.
I'm not against partial lockdowns either. I'm only against wearing masks in certain indoor places
You're lumped into the Amigo pot because of the nonsense you post.
 

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But Phil, you get that those statistics are proportionate to population size, huh? So absolute demographic size is not relevant to the comparison.

If anything, Denmark is more exposed because it is smaller and the population more concentrated.

If you want to "prove" that Sweden was more exposed due to % of already unhealthy folks or some other vulnerability, can you produce stats and evidence that go a little further than your usual "Libtards suck!" argument??
Well for starters Sweden has the 2nd highest asthma rate in the world at 20%. Thats 1 in 5.:


I would think that would contribute to their death rate by quite a bit
 

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First of all Sweden has twice the population than Denmark, Finland or Norway.
The combined populations of those 3 is about 50% higher than Sweden, yet Sweden has roughly 5 times as many deaths. Deaths in Sweden from C-19 are around 5,800. Deaths in the other 3 countries combined is about 1200.

Second of all, you shouldnt solely look at death rates because those can come down to other factors like more diabetics, more obese people, more older people....etc...etc. All those are contributing factors to a higher death rate.
Is there any evidence of any significant differences in those factors between Sweden & its neighbours? Swedes have a high rate of people living alone that should have protected them more than most others. Likewise they have one of the most excellent health care systems in the world.

"In countries such as Norway and Sweden, single-person households were rare a century ago, but today they account for nearly half of all households. In some cities they are already the majority."
https://ourworldindata.org/living-alone

You should be looking at daily new infections. Sweden has done very well in that department. They have done as well as other countries who are the same size as them, but they've done so without shutting down their entire economy, and without making everyone wear masks everywhere.
Comparing Sweden with other countries who are not their neighbours is like comparing apples with banana peels. Not very useful.
OTOH comparing Sweden with their neighboring countries is much more relevant.

Sweden's 3 neighbouring countries mentioned above have also done well re daily new infections. All, including Sweden, with few people wearing masks. All 4 - Sweden largely voluntarily - having largely shutdown their economies, practiced social distancing & some other safety measures.

Bottom line: Sweden's total deaths relative to their neighbours is horrific. Unless Sweden has reached significantly further towards herd immunity than their neighbours, they have nothing to show for all those excess deaths. If their neighbours can avert a second wave disaster, Sweden's approach will probably look like a failed approach in the history books.
 
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