Sweden COVID-19 Death Rate Lower Than Spain, Italy and U.K., Despite Never Having Lockdown

[basketcase]

India made masks mandatory in April, and yet their new case infections keep rising:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-prison-police-who-delhi-mumbai-a9458516.html

You think the absolutely massive, dense population and abject poverty in many sectors might also play a role? (and you were trying top downplay the comparison between Sweden and its neighbours but want to suddenly throw India into the mix)

A deep view on masks that contains lots of useful information.

p.s. Sweden was a disaster, way more deaths to no benefit.

 

[squeezer]

I hate wearing a mask. I do it because its the law, plus I dont wanna make people uncomfortable if they're standing next to me in a store

The rest of us love wearing masks. We wake up every morning and pose in the mirror deciding which mask to wear. Come on dude, give it a rest.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Do you think that proves - anything? It doesn't

I can't prove that masks are not working in India.
But neither can you prove that they are working there.
All I can prove is that their new infections are going up. Thats indisputable

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Cases are going up... but hospitals are EMPTY

Dr Ron Daniels, a consultant in the West Midlands, said there were barely any Covid-19 patients coming into hospitals, even though cases have been on the rise since July.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hospitals are empty despite coronavirus cases having gone up over the past month - and it could be because the most vulnerable to the disease have already died, an intensive care specialist claimed today.

Dr Ron Daniels, a consultant in the West Midlands, said there are barely any Covid-19 patients being admitted despite government statistics showing cases had risen throughout July.

More than 1,000 Britons are testing positive for the life-threatening disease each day, on average, data shows - but the figures appears to have started dropping. There are fewer than 100 daily hospital admissions for the virus.

For comparison, up to 5,000 people were diagnosed daily during the darkest days of the crisis in April, and as many as 2,500 of these patients needed hospital care.

However, hospital admission figures at the height of the crisis need to be treated with caution because they were inflated due to a counting error, it emerged last night.

Dr Daniels believes the recent spike in infections is due to young people catching the coronavirus more, who are unlikely to get severely ill and need hospital care.

And older and vulnerable populations may have already had the disease and died, or are being more cautious in fear of catching Covid-19.

Other scientists have theorised the coronavirus has mutated to become less deadly, but this is 'slightly optimistic' in Dr Daniels' eyes

 

[lenny2]

There's still plenty of people who are extremely vulnerable to C-19. But since the early pandemic we've learned who these people are & how to protect them. Therefore most infections these days are in younger healthier people who tend to be more irresponsible & not to need hospital care which explains hospitals being less burdened by C-19 patients. Yet there are still many people dying of C-19 and many survivors of the virus suffering long term negative health effects as a result of becoming infected.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

105 new cases in Ontario today. It seems to be stuck around 100 new cases daily:

Ontario reports 105 new coronavirus cases, 1 death; total cases at 41,507 | Globalnews.ca

Monday's provincial report indicates the majority of new cases came from Toronto with 30, Ottawa with 24 and Peel Region with 21 more cases.

globalnews.ca

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Another 100 cases today: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-coronavirus-ontario-august-25-1.5698687

 

[lenny2]

COVID-19 Deaths per million:

Belgium- 2,130
France - 1,593
UK - 1,884
Spain - 1,696
Sweden - 1,413

If accurate that wouldn't be surprising considering population densities. For example:

Sweden: 25 per sq. km
UK: 281 per sq. km.

So the population of Sweden is, so to speak, much more - naturally distanced - and therefore much safer in that regard, than the UK.

But compared with their neighbours Finland, Norway & Denmark - which have about the same population density as Sweden, or much greater in the case of Denmark - Sweden's covid19 death toll - with its less restrictive approach - has been a colossal failure.

"Sweden had 7.7% more deaths in 2020 than its average for the preceding four years.

... Sweden did much worse than its Nordic neighbours, with Denmark registering just 1.5% excess mortality and Finland 1.0%. Norway had no excess mortality at all in 2020.

Sweden saw lower 2020 death spike than much of Europe - data

Sweden, which has shunned the strict lockdowns that have choked much of the global economy, emerged from 2020 with a smaller increase in its overall mortality rate than most European countries, an analysis of official data sources showed.

www.reuters.com

 

[lenny2]

108 new cases yesterday. Masks dont do a damn thing

COVID-19: Ontario reporting 108 new cases; new case at OC Transpo and in city LTC

The new confirmed cases bring the province's total to 41,287 with 37,487 of them resolved while 2,797 people have died.

ottawacitizen.com

Wow, Doctore Phil knows more than multitudes of health experts around the globe & is putting them in their place! LOL!

Lots of talk last year about Sweden controversially No lockdown/ Herd immunity approach to handling of COVID 19. Now a year later we have Data and can compare what the lock downs have achieved or not achieved.

Ontario: pop 14.5 mil

502k Covid Cases 8405 deaths(1 per 1725)

Sweden: pop 10.2 mil

1.03 mil cases 14,267 deaths(1 per 714)

If Ontario had followed Sweden No Lockdown approach we would have had over 20,000 dead using Sweden numbers.

If Sweden had followed Ontario approach and achieved similar stats they would have roughly over 5000 deaths.

What do you think of that, Doctore!

 

[NotADcotor]

f accurate that wouldn't be surprising considering population densities. For example:

Sweden: 25 per sq. km
UK: 281 per sq. km.

I don't see how anyone who lives in Canada where we have a very low population density but mostly along the US border and mostly within a few metro areas.
Ditto for Sweden. Some hypothetical desert country could have an extremely low population, but if that entire population was stacked in 1 city with the density of Hong Kong it would have a similar situation to say, actual Hong Kong.

A more telling stat perhaps would be an urban, rural divide.