Sugar Dating Experience

[MiguelRojas]

I have a couple that are solid $300-$500 PPM, 4-5 hours total, sometimes overnight included.

For travel averages out to $5k a week and I pay for the trip. Excellent memories

 

[newguy2201]

I have a couple that are solid $300-$500 PPM, 4-5 hours total, sometimes overnight included.

For travel averages out to $5k a week and I pay for the trip. Excellent memories

So you have to pay them 5k plus pay for the trip? I thought the trip would be spoiling them.

I know SPs charge for a trip obviously but for some reason thought the SBs would be happy to be treated to a trip as long as they were available to travel.

 

[MiguelRojas]

So you have to pay them 5k plus pay for the trip? I thought the trip would be spoiling them.

I know SPs charge for a trip obviously but for some reason thought the SBs would be happy to be treated to a trip as long as they were available to travel.

No the $5k is an average trip, like going to a 5star resort in the Caribbean for the week

 

[newguy2201]

No the $5k is an average trip, like going to a 5star resort in the Caribbean for the week

I see, so you just treat them to the trip, no PPM or fee for their time. That was what I thought it would be.

 

[newguy2201]

BTW in the short time I was in that world, I also met some women who were not interested in anything short of a traditional SD/SB arrangement. One of the first girls I chatted with told me that she only does arrangements. I asked what that looked like,

She was able to articulate that even though it was not PPM, the basics would be like $3-500 for an afternoon, $1000-1200 for an overnight, weekends anywhere from $1500-2000. Which sounds reasonable enough compared to what SPs charge for the same.

But then she went on to clarify that a true arrangement is not just the fees for meeting. It includes help with bills or rent, OSAP, help with major purchases like cars, hair, nails and upkeep, trips and spontaneous gifts.

Far be it from me to tell anyone what they are worth but I realized then that this is a game too rich for my blood.

 

[dchoye]

The wildest and craziest sex I had are with Sbs
Just have to be prepared to deal with the drama comes with it
With Sp it’s strictly transactional with clear boundaries.

 

[BiggerTitsTheBetter]

The wildest and craziest sex I had are with Sbs
Just have to be prepared to deal with the drama comes with it
With Sp it’s strictly transactional with clear boundaries.

I don't know man. I don't think you can generalize. I have stories with escorts that cannot be posted here for obvious reasons.

It's also an unfair comparison. Become a regular and treat an escort that you click with like a SB and see what happens

 

[Liam011]

I don't know man. I don't think you can generalize. I have stories with escorts that cannot be posted here for obvious reasons.
It's also an unfair comparison. Become a regular and treat an escort that you click with like a SB and see what happens

True. I've had two long term romantic relationships in the last few years. One with an SB and one with an SP. Neither was simple but both were rewarding (and very drama filled in different ways because all chicks be cray cray in their own special way).

The various SBs I've been with have been nearly boundary-less sex wise. Yet, once we were in a romantic relationship, so was the SP. You'd be surprised how starved even beautiful women can be for intimate, sensual sex instead of what they get at work. It's a consequence of what they choose to do for a living.

 

[GeeBee]

BTW in the short time I was in that world, I also met some women who were not interested in anything short of a traditional SD/SB arrangement. One of the first girls I chatted with told me that she only does arrangements. I asked what that looked like,

She was able to articulate that even though it was not PPM, the basics would be like $3-500 for an afternoon, $1000-1200 for an overnight, weekends anywhere from $1500-2000. Which sounds reasonable enough compared to what SPs charge for the same.

But then she went on to clarify that a true arrangement is not just the fees for meeting. It includes help with bills or rent, OSAP, help with major purchases like cars, hair, nails and upkeep, trips and spontaneous gifts.

Far be it from me to tell anyone what they are worth but I realized then that this is a game too rich for my blood.

I’d suggest that while this particular girl might be too rich for your blood, (and she’s looking for a whale not just a sugar daddy, yikes, good luck to her) she is an exception in my experience. I’ve run across a few like her over the years, but girls like you described in your earlier post are far more common.

 

[Patron]

I don't know man. I don't think you can generalize. I have stories with escorts that cannot be posted here for obvious reasons.

It's also an unfair comparison. Become a regular and treat an escort that you click with like a SB and see what happens

Yes, but the Sugar crowd thrives on stereotypes and hierarchies. Most male participants do very limited crossovers. I notice that many Sugar guys compare sugar babies to LeoList ladies. I don’t think they put the effort into longer-sessions with independent and niche escorts that some johns do, since they reserve that effort for sugar babies.

One of the best conversations I ever had about this business was with a stunning Montreal escort who had an independent escort persona, worked a few afternoons with an agency, did camming, and juggled like a dozen Sugar Daddies. She caught on to the illusion that the Sugar Daddies wanted and she said she wasn’t as open with them about all of her activities. She used different names, too. I swear I don’t know she did it. The movie character Sybil with the multiple personality disorders couldn’t have pulled off what that lady did.

Kid yourself if you want to. The church choir lady who is married to her childhood sweetheart can secretly and successfully escort in the afternoons if she wants to, and most escorts can wine, dine, travel and GFE to the max with just like a Sugar Baby for the John who pays her accordingly. And escorts have girlfriend flings with men and women, some of whom were formerly customers. They are all chameleons. The guys are the ones with the illusions and ideas about a certain environment that causes them to have to change colors as chameleons.

 

[Hypehobby123]

just checking in have you guys been able to find some girls down for some normal ppm in the range of 250-400 lately who are young and good looking? im planning to try it again but i feel like these days the girls all say they want a man to take it slow - coding to finesse men into paid meets with no intimacy.

 

[RJ11]

just checking in have you guys been able to find some girls down for some normal ppm in the range of 250-400 lately who are young and good looking? im planning to try it again but i feel like these days the girls all say they want a man to take it slow - coding to finesse men into paid meets with no intimacy.

I think 400 is more realistic for a good looking girl, most will ask for more 500-600+, but you can say 400 is where you're at and play the numbers game a little and see who bites.
If you're cool and they have a good time, they should be ok meeting up for 400 again. Be prepared to pay for their Uber if they're coming to your place...

 

[Hypehobby123]

I think 400 is more realistic for a good looking girl, most will ask for more 500-600+, but you can say 400 is where you're at and play the numbers game a little and see who bites.
If you're cool and they have a good time, they should be ok meeting up for 400 again. Be prepared to pay for their Uber if they're coming to your place...

how’s your luck been lately? it seems like there’s a lot of trans on seeking now. and a lot of girls who clearly know they are hot and are looking for a lot. i don’t see much of the cute gnds.

 

[RJ11]

how’s your luck been lately? it seems like there’s a lot of trans on seeking now. and a lot of girls who clearly know they are hot and are looking for a lot. i don’t see much of the cute gnds.

Its always been a bit of a grind and a numbers game on there.
If you're able to meet asap (within 1-2 days of a message) that bumps up your success rate quite a bit. Most of them are tired of wasting time on there.
You can start with a quick video chat and decide off one conversation if you like what you see
Yeah...lol. The girls know they are hot, but its also hard for them to find someone that's willing to meetup asap vs chatting with it going no where. If you show you're decisive and can book asap, they'll perk up

 

[GeeBee]

Its always been a bit of a grind and a numbers game on there.
If you're able to meet asap (within 1-2 days of a message) that bumps up your success rate quite a bit. Most of them are tired of wasting time on there.
You can start with a quick video chat and decide off one conversation if you like what you see
Yeah...lol. The girls know they are hot, but its also hard for them to find someone that's willing to meetup asap vs chatting with it going no where. If you show you're decisive and can book asap, they'll perk up

Absolutely. The hot girls get time wasters just like SP’s do, and it’s fucking annoying. For them directly obviously, and for those of us guys who are honestly looking for dates/arrangements. It gives us all a bad name.

You have to walk that fine line between moving too quickly (asking to meet after only one or two simple messages can be seen as pushy and a red flag for girls) and letting them know you’re serious.

 

[jamescanned]

What kind of girls do you find on seeking? I have a specific type that makes it easy to filter for via SP/agencies.

(Youthful, often student, pretty face, fun personality who’s generally not around for long)

I figured seeking is a lot more materialistic and I wouldn’t want to deal with the haggling/nagging. Nice to just know the price and pay it

also, any way to get around their selfie verification? After the AM and Tea app hacks I’m extremely reluctant to link any bit of my personal life to this life

 

[RJ11]

Absolutely. The hot girls get time wasters just like SP’s do, and it’s fucking annoying. For them directly obviously, and for those of us guys who are honestly looking for dates/arrangements. It gives us all a bad name.

You have to walk that fine line between moving too quickly (asking to meet after only one or two simple messages can be seen as pushy and a red flag for girls) and letting them know you’re serious.

Right, I present the first call with them as more of a qualification call. I'm saying indirectly, that I want to have a quick chat, make sure you're normal and if I like you, we can set something up.
But I present this indirectly and not super direct, ex. I've met some weird ppl on here! (I'm sure they have as well). Let's setup a quick video chat and if all goes well, we can setup something very soon/asap.
Goal is to pitch yourself as someone that's picky (in a good way with standards) and not someone who will settle for whoever...
On the call, the goal is to have fun, very light small talk and not make it feel like an interview in any way, then close it with an offer if you like them

 

[RJ11]

What kind of girls do you find on seeking? I have a specific type that makes it easy to filter for via SP/agencies.

(Youthful, often student, pretty face, fun personality who’s generally not around for long)

I figured seeking is a lot more materialistic and I wouldn’t want to deal with the haggling/nagging. Nice to just know the price and pay it

also, any way to get around their selfie verification? After the AM and Tea app hacks I’m extremely reluctant to link any bit of my personal life to this life

Bunch of questions here, I'll just tackle them point form:

1. All types of girls on there, some very youthful, very pretty and fun
2. When it comes to price, its a little bit of a game. Some of these girls don't want to be Service Providers, but think of themselves as Sugar Babies. It might look the same to us on the outside, but to them, they want to be treated as people first and not take on that tag. Some of these girls are going to school and working, so they do this on the side...
   Some on there are SP's masquerading as Sugar Babies, so you have to watch out for that too
   I deal with the per date head on - here is my rate per hour, ex $400 and I can cover travel as well, we'll meet in a hotel room
3. I have my pic on the site, but its private. I made sure that pic is no where else and can't be traced to me online. I share it when we first connect and then unshare later on. That way my pic is never out there. But if you're using your phone number, its like sharing your pic...
4. Its a risk you're taking when you go online
5. Its still going to be a grind to meet a girl, but I've had a few I've had ongoing relationships with for a while now (3-4 meetups per year)

 

[billsmafia]

Use Telegram so that you don't need to share your phone number. I see that WhatsApp is introducing user names so you'll be able to do the same thing there eventually.

 

[Daddy2021]

So you have to pay them 5k plus pay for the trip? I thought the trip would be spoiling them.

I know SPs charge for a trip obviously but for some reason thought the SBs would be happy to be treated to a trip as long as they were available to travel.

Like sps, I’m sure they would rather travel with friends or someone they are actually into.