Sugar Dating Experience

[GeeBee]

I tried this for a couple months too and was always comparing it to what I know is available from Escorts. Essentially I like I assume a lot of guys are looking to get some variation of more for less.

I chatted with a lot of girls and ultimately met with 2:

-One was a young college student, 21 I believe who does this on the side while in school. She was very forward and direct, offered PPM and didn't ask for a second meet, just said "lmk if you want to meet again"

It was $500 plus I had to grab a hotel, we had great sex, chatted for a while. Altogether 3 hours, cost me $650. I could have gotten the same or similar with an SP, but the allure of someone new was exciting and it was exciting to meet someone who was not an escort (although I would call her an Escort-lite or Escort in training). I could tell she wasn't a pro because her boundaries were different.

-2nd one was more interesting. A bit older, closer to my age which was nice. Mid 30's I believe. We chatted and she said she was ultimately looking for an arrangement but was willing to start with PPM.

We had a nice chat and I treated her nice, didn't ask for nudes, didn't get explicit day one. She mentioned how I "deserved and award" which tells me most guys are dogs on there.

Anyways my patience was rewarded nicely. The next day she sent me a tasteful nude, which led to some flirting, which led to 2-3 days of some of the filthiest dirty talk I've ever engaged in while we waited for our date to arrive.

She sent nudes, told me all the things she wanted me to do to her, and let me tell you this girl had very little boundaries. In fact she hit one of my boundaries, but I never hit one of hers.

We met and had really hot sex. Probably some of the hottest, sleaziest, crappy motel sex that I've ever had in my life.

Problem is I felt like she was actually digging me as a potential partner. Kept gushing how she felt like a schoolgirl etc

As stated above, some of these girls have rough lives and this one was no exception. She came across as sweet on text but was loud and brash in person, kept talking over me etc

Safe to say the post nut clarity was strong on that one. But still that sex though....

But ultimately the reason I stopped is because I realized that I like the clarity of SPs. There's no confusion on what it is

With the SBs I felt a bit conflicted. It's almost an adversarial relationship. The girls are almost all hoping for ongoing relationships, whereas I (and a lot of guys) only want to PPM and/or treat them like a new pool of escorts

I don't want to lie to anyone about what my intentions are, I'd rather just be upfront

If money was no object or if I was planning on staying in transactional relationships for longer, I might stay active and meet the odd girl who is perfect for me. It is exciting no doubt and provides a little of the "thrill if the chase" that you get in real dating but not in SPs.

This is a great indication of some plusses and minuses. There are these kinds of “hidden gems” in the sugar world, but every girl has ultimate goals that a bit different. Nothing is quite as honest, open, and up front as escorts.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

I tried this for a couple months too and was always comparing it to what I know is available from Escorts. Essentially I like I assume a lot of guys are looking to get some variation of more for less.

I chatted with a lot of girls and ultimately met with 2:

-One was a young college student, 21 I believe who does this on the side while in school. She was very forward and direct, offered PPM and didn't ask for a second meet, just said "lmk if you want to meet again"

It was $500 plus I had to grab a hotel, we had great sex, chatted for a while. Altogether 3 hours, cost me $650. I could have gotten the same or similar with an SP, but the allure of someone new was exciting and it was exciting to meet someone who was not an escort (although I would call her an Escort-lite or Escort in training). I could tell she wasn't a pro because her boundaries were different.

-2nd one was more interesting. A bit older, closer to my age which was nice. Mid 30's I believe. We chatted and she said she was ultimately looking for an arrangement but was willing to start with PPM.

We had a nice chat and I treated her nice, didn't ask for nudes, didn't get explicit day one. She mentioned how I "deserved and award" which tells me most guys are dogs on there.

Anyways my patience was rewarded nicely. The next day she sent me a tasteful nude, which led to some flirting, which led to 2-3 days of some of the filthiest dirty talk I've ever engaged in while we waited for our date to arrive.

She sent nudes, told me all the things she wanted me to do to her, and let me tell you this girl had very little boundaries. In fact she hit one of my boundaries, but I never hit one of hers.

We met and had really hot sex. Probably some of the hottest, sleaziest, crappy motel sex that I've ever had in my life.

Problem is I felt like she was actually digging me as a potential partner. Kept gushing how she felt like a schoolgirl etc

As stated above, some of these girls have rough lives and this one was no exception. She came across as sweet on text but was loud and brash in person, kept talking over me etc

Safe to say the post nut clarity was strong on that one. But still that sex though....

But ultimately the reason I stopped is because I realized that I like the clarity of SPs. There's no confusion on what it is

With the SBs I felt a bit conflicted. It's almost an adversarial relationship. The girls are almost all hoping for ongoing relationships, whereas I (and a lot of guys) only want to PPM and/or treat them like a new pool of escorts

I don't want to lie to anyone about what my intentions are, I'd rather just be upfront

If money was no object or if I was planning on staying in transactional relationships for longer, I might stay active and meet the odd girl who is perfect for me. It is exciting no doubt and provides a little of the "thrill if the chase" that you get in real dating but not in SPs.

$650 for 3 hours of great sex…seems like a nice set up. No??

 

[newguy2201]

$650 for 3 hours of great sex…seems like a nice set up. No??

It was ok don't get me wrong. It wasn't 3 hours of great sex. It was a 3 hour meet, with about 60-90 minutes of great sex and some good conversation.

I have no regrets but I can get something comparable from some SPs I know and it's a known quantity.

Maybe if I could do 3 hours of sex I would see it different if she was up for it, but I'm a one shot guy these days

 

[superman12]

All great suggestions/things to do

I think I am done trying this segment for this reason

My goal is to check if they are "normal" enough to hang out with, I find them attractive/chemistry. But keep in mind, most of these girls have issues and are not gf material

I have had some good experiences but almost everyone of them have come with some kind of drama attached.

Maybe I just ended up finding/choosing those women but I am just not prepared to keep trying.

Most women have some sort of drama attached to them lol the best you can do is make your intentions clear from the start and not string them along into thinking you actually want some sort of emotional relationship with them. That's easier said then done because any emotionally vulnerable girl is bound to fall for a guy who is treating her well, being respectful, spoiling her etc. On top of that if your fucking she is probably going to get attached. That's when you have to call it quits and end the arrangement before the real drama starts.

 

[MiguelRojas]

I have a couple that are solid $300-$500 PPM, 4-5 hours total, sometimes overnight included.

For travel averages out to $5k a week and I pay for the trip. Excellent memories

 

[newguy2201]

I have a couple that are solid $300-$500 PPM, 4-5 hours total, sometimes overnight included.

For travel averages out to $5k a week and I pay for the trip. Excellent memories

So you have to pay them 5k plus pay for the trip? I thought the trip would be spoiling them.

I know SPs charge for a trip obviously but for some reason thought the SBs would be happy to be treated to a trip as long as they were available to travel.

 

[MiguelRojas]

So you have to pay them 5k plus pay for the trip? I thought the trip would be spoiling them.

I know SPs charge for a trip obviously but for some reason thought the SBs would be happy to be treated to a trip as long as they were available to travel.

No the $5k is an average trip, like going to a 5star resort in the Caribbean for the week

 

[newguy2201]

No the $5k is an average trip, like going to a 5star resort in the Caribbean for the week

I see, so you just treat them to the trip, no PPM or fee for their time. That was what I thought it would be.

 

[newguy2201]

BTW in the short time I was in that world, I also met some women who were not interested in anything short of a traditional SD/SB arrangement. One of the first girls I chatted with told me that she only does arrangements. I asked what that looked like,

She was able to articulate that even though it was not PPM, the basics would be like $3-500 for an afternoon, $1000-1200 for an overnight, weekends anywhere from $1500-2000. Which sounds reasonable enough compared to what SPs charge for the same.

But then she went on to clarify that a true arrangement is not just the fees for meeting. It includes help with bills or rent, OSAP, help with major purchases like cars, hair, nails and upkeep, trips and spontaneous gifts.

Far be it from me to tell anyone what they are worth but I realized then that this is a game too rich for my blood.

 

[dchoye]

The wildest and craziest sex I had are with Sbs
Just have to be prepared to deal with the drama comes with it
With Sp it’s strictly transactional with clear boundaries.

 

[BiggerTitsTheBetter]

The wildest and craziest sex I had are with Sbs
Just have to be prepared to deal with the drama comes with it
With Sp it’s strictly transactional with clear boundaries.

I don't know man. I don't think you can generalize. I have stories with escorts that cannot be posted here for obvious reasons.

It's also an unfair comparison. Become a regular and treat an escort that you click with like a SB and see what happens

 

[Liam011]

I don't know man. I don't think you can generalize. I have stories with escorts that cannot be posted here for obvious reasons.
It's also an unfair comparison. Become a regular and treat an escort that you click with like a SB and see what happens

True. I've had two long term romantic relationships in the last few years. One with an SB and one with an SP. Neither was simple but both were rewarding (and very drama filled in different ways because all chicks be cray cray in their own special way).

The various SBs I've been with have been nearly boundary-less sex wise. Yet, once we were in a romantic relationship, so was the SP. You'd be surprised how starved even beautiful women can be for intimate, sensual sex instead of what they get at work. It's a consequence of what they choose to do for a living.

 

[GeeBee]

BTW in the short time I was in that world, I also met some women who were not interested in anything short of a traditional SD/SB arrangement. One of the first girls I chatted with told me that she only does arrangements. I asked what that looked like,

She was able to articulate that even though it was not PPM, the basics would be like $3-500 for an afternoon, $1000-1200 for an overnight, weekends anywhere from $1500-2000. Which sounds reasonable enough compared to what SPs charge for the same.

But then she went on to clarify that a true arrangement is not just the fees for meeting. It includes help with bills or rent, OSAP, help with major purchases like cars, hair, nails and upkeep, trips and spontaneous gifts.

Far be it from me to tell anyone what they are worth but I realized then that this is a game too rich for my blood.

I’d suggest that while this particular girl might be too rich for your blood, (and she’s looking for a whale not just a sugar daddy, yikes, good luck to her) she is an exception in my experience. I’ve run across a few like her over the years, but girls like you described in your earlier post are far more common.

 

[Patron]

I don't know man. I don't think you can generalize. I have stories with escorts that cannot be posted here for obvious reasons.

It's also an unfair comparison. Become a regular and treat an escort that you click with like a SB and see what happens

Yes, but the Sugar crowd thrives on stereotypes and hierarchies. Most male participants do very limited crossovers. I notice that many Sugar guys compare sugar babies to LeoList ladies. I don’t think they put the effort into longer-sessions with independent and niche escorts that some johns do, since they reserve that effort for sugar babies.

One of the best conversations I ever had about this business was with a stunning Montreal escort who had an independent escort persona, worked a few afternoons with an agency, did camming, and juggled like a dozen Sugar Daddies. She caught on to the illusion that the Sugar Daddies wanted and she said she wasn’t as open with them about all of her activities. She used different names, too. I swear I don’t know she did it. The movie character Sybil with the multiple personality disorders couldn’t have pulled off what that lady did.

Kid yourself if you want to. The church choir lady who is married to her childhood sweetheart can secretly and successfully escort in the afternoons if she wants to, and most escorts can wine, dine, travel and GFE to the max with just like a Sugar Baby for the John who pays her accordingly. And escorts have girlfriend flings with men and women, some of whom were formerly customers. They are all chameleons. The guys are the ones with the illusions and ideas about a certain environment that causes them to have to change colors as chameleons.

 

[Hypehobby123]

just checking in have you guys been able to find some girls down for some normal ppm in the range of 250-400 lately who are young and good looking? im planning to try it again but i feel like these days the girls all say they want a man to take it slow - coding to finesse men into paid meets with no intimacy.

 

[RJ11]

just checking in have you guys been able to find some girls down for some normal ppm in the range of 250-400 lately who are young and good looking? im planning to try it again but i feel like these days the girls all say they want a man to take it slow - coding to finesse men into paid meets with no intimacy.

I think 400 is more realistic for a good looking girl, most will ask for more 500-600+, but you can say 400 is where you're at and play the numbers game a little and see who bites.
If you're cool and they have a good time, they should be ok meeting up for 400 again. Be prepared to pay for their Uber if they're coming to your place...

 

[Hypehobby123]

I think 400 is more realistic for a good looking girl, most will ask for more 500-600+, but you can say 400 is where you're at and play the numbers game a little and see who bites.
If you're cool and they have a good time, they should be ok meeting up for 400 again. Be prepared to pay for their Uber if they're coming to your place...

how’s your luck been lately? it seems like there’s a lot of trans on seeking now. and a lot of girls who clearly know they are hot and are looking for a lot. i don’t see much of the cute gnds.

 

[RJ11]

how’s your luck been lately? it seems like there’s a lot of trans on seeking now. and a lot of girls who clearly know they are hot and are looking for a lot. i don’t see much of the cute gnds.

Its always been a bit of a grind and a numbers game on there.
If you're able to meet asap (within 1-2 days of a message) that bumps up your success rate quite a bit. Most of them are tired of wasting time on there.
You can start with a quick video chat and decide off one conversation if you like what you see
Yeah...lol. The girls know they are hot, but its also hard for them to find someone that's willing to meetup asap vs chatting with it going no where. If you show you're decisive and can book asap, they'll perk up

 

[GeeBee]

Its always been a bit of a grind and a numbers game on there.
If you're able to meet asap (within 1-2 days of a message) that bumps up your success rate quite a bit. Most of them are tired of wasting time on there.
You can start with a quick video chat and decide off one conversation if you like what you see
Yeah...lol. The girls know they are hot, but its also hard for them to find someone that's willing to meetup asap vs chatting with it going no where. If you show you're decisive and can book asap, they'll perk up

Absolutely. The hot girls get time wasters just like SP’s do, and it’s fucking annoying. For them directly obviously, and for those of us guys who are honestly looking for dates/arrangements. It gives us all a bad name.

You have to walk that fine line between moving too quickly (asking to meet after only one or two simple messages can be seen as pushy and a red flag for girls) and letting them know you’re serious.

 

[jamescanned]

What kind of girls do you find on seeking? I have a specific type that makes it easy to filter for via SP/agencies.

(Youthful, often student, pretty face, fun personality who’s generally not around for long)

I figured seeking is a lot more materialistic and I wouldn’t want to deal with the haggling/nagging. Nice to just know the price and pay it

also, any way to get around their selfie verification? After the AM and Tea app hacks I’m extremely reluctant to link any bit of my personal life to this life