Sugar Dating Experience

[Hypehobby123]

Yeah, its a struggle, but you can find $500 on there.
Technically PPM is against the TOS for Seeking, so when you discuss it, you need to be really careful on the chats.
Many of the experienced SB's try to move you to another social channel soon after to avoid this conflict
It's good to lightly qualify them before you share contact info, so that you don't waste time

Most girls will ask a lot on there, but if you push back and have availability to meet very soon (within 1-3 days), you can negotiate with them. Rates are a bit of game...

do you usually ask what they are looking for. most come in with high numbers. then if i say 400 or 500 they say let’s meet in the middle at like 6-700 which is kinda crazy.

 

[Hypehobby123]

this shit is the biggest waste of time. i’ll be honest all these girls are just down to fuck for 700-1k. which is way too much

i’m under 40 and all of them are like they don’t even need a meeting for drinks or vibes, just willing to come over to ur place but for the min of 700 generally with the hot young ones wanting 1k. this is so stupid. and they all have attitude if you don’t want to pay their price. this is the biggest waste of money. just stick to hot younger sps. this is a fucking waste of time and i blame these dudes who are desperate and horny paying 1k to have a young girl once

 

[RJ11]

do you usually ask what they are looking for. most come in with high numbers. then if i say 400 or 500 they say let’s meet in the middle at like 6-700 which is kinda crazy.

Yeah, I just say here is where I'm at, take it or leave it.
If you do this all over text, I think that's a mistake.
I think its good to push for a call/video chat fairly quickly, so that they see what you're normal and you can qualify them a bit.
Just ask if you can have a quick 2-3 mins chat first to see if they're normal, I'm sure they are thinking the same (normal girls will agree to this, most pros won't care if you can meet their rate request)
Many of these girls push right away to rate discussion with no warm up/chemistry chats, because they're trying to save time, but they're actually doing themselves a disservice. They're having a lot of these kicking tire chats that go nowhere and are just frustrated on the app, plus general lack of experience.
If you can show you're a cool dude and can meet up fairly soon, you have more leverage.
Ex. Can say that $500 is where you're at right now, but I can meet tonight/tomorrow, she may just say fuck it, lets go for it...
I think a many of these girls might be getting $1k rate on the one off/lucky chance, but not that often, they just get spoiled and think they can get it again...
There might be guys on there overpaying...but in this economy, I think that's harder to find...

 

[Zippythepinhead]

Obviously, there is much discussion here around rate/ppm. But what about the other key component…how much time does that ppm secure per date? How important is this issue to you? What discussion do you have around this and, most importantly, when do you have it?

 

[billsmafia]

Obviously, there is much discussion here around rate/ppm. But what about the other key component…how much time does that ppm secure per date? How important is this issue to you? What discussion do you have around this and, most importantly, when do you have it?

If they're asking for more than $500 it should be 3 hours, at a minimum, as part of the ppm discussion.

 

[RJ11]

If they're asking for more than $500 it should be 3 hours, at a minimum, as part of the ppm discussion.

Good luck with that...more like one hour.
The good ones don't clock watch and are down to hang out longer if you have something you can do, like go for dinner

 

[newguy2201]

I met with 2 girls in my time on SDM. One was $500 plus a hotel and some wine, so like $650 all in and she was there for about 3 hours

The other was $300 plus hotel and wine so about $450 and was there about 2.5 hours, but we sexted every day for like a week before our meeting.

I only met them each once. Was not looking to repeat

 

[Zippythepinhead]

I met with 2 girls in my time on SDM. One was $500 plus a hotel and some wine, so like $650 all in and she was there for about 3 hours

The other was $300 plus hotel and wine so about $450 and was there about 2.5 hours, but we sexted every day for like a week before our meeting.

I only met them each once. Was not looking to repeat

Thanks for this post/info. Why were you not looking to repeat? Did you go into it not wanting to repeat, or was it something about each experience that made you not want to repeat?

 

[newguy2201]

Thanks for this post/info. Why were you not looking to repeat? Did you go into it not wanting to repeat, or was it something about each experience that made you not want to repeat?

I just didn't see any reason to. The experience was not any better than seeing an SP for me.

I tried that world for 2 months and got tired of the grind if trying to find a match then do the negotiation.

It's so much easier to just book an SP and everyone knows exactly what they are looking for.

 

[billsmafia]

Good luck with that...more like one hour.
The good ones don't clock watch and are down to hang out longer if you have something you can do, like go for dinner

If that was the case, I would just see an SP.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

I just didn't see any reason to. The experience was not any better than seeing an SP for me.

I tried that world for 2 months and got tired of the grind if trying to find a match then do the negotiation.

It's so much easier to just book an SP and everyone knows exactly what they are looking for.

I see…that makes sense. I just know that some guys see the ppm you agreed to for multiple hours as good “value” for their hobby dollars. If that is not a thing that is important, it makes sense that a session with a wonderful SP is the better choice. I also know that some guys see the grind of the sugar world, as just that, a grind. The payoff, of course, is the chance to develop a rewarding mutually beneficial arrangement (with increasingly improving intimate connection) with one person. Anyway, thanks again for the post

 

[RJ11]

If that was the case, I would just see an SP.

Totally valid, they look very similar, but they're slightly different.

SP route is definitely the more straight forward and potentially less riskier in terms of knowing what you're going to get (if you go with a well reviewed person).
But you could also find a low mileage Sugar Baby who also becomes a friend.
Different things, but obviously some big overlap

 

[RJ11]

I see…that makes sense. I just know that some guys see the ppm you agreed to for multiple hours as good “value” for their hobby dollars. If that is not a thing that is important, it makes sense that a session with a wonderful SP. I also know that some guys see the grind of the sugar world, just that, a grind. The payoff, of course, is the chance to develop a rewarding mutually beneficial arrangement (with increasingly improving intimate connection) with one person. Anyway, thanks again for the post

You get it. Nothing wrong with either one, just comes down to your goals (and mindset).

 

[newguy2201]

I'll expand on my answer above a little now that I have more time.

My goal going in was I think what a lot of guys are trying to do: get more for less. I live seeing SPs and it has brought a lot to my life.

But I can't afford as much time as I would like, and I am lonely/bored between meetings. For me this lifestyle is about more than sex, right or wrong that's how I'm wired. I want connection.

So I thought seeing an SB might get me more of the GFE stuff outside of just the sex.

And I do think it can. But there is a bit of a conflict of interest from the start. Most girls would like to have an arrangement plus spoiling. That is a traditional SB/SD arrangement.

Just as we are coaching each other to go for PPM and never pay for first meets etc, they are coaching new girls to never give away time for free, ask for allowance plus spoiling etc

Going in I was aware of my budget and that I wasn't going to stop seeing the SPs that I was already seeing so that cut my possible budget in at least half, so basically anything like a real arrangement was out of my reach.

I could only do PPM, and probably only 1-2x per month max. So I would match with a girl, ask if she did PPM, fins out her ask.

Anything over $500 was basically out for me. I had a couple of young very hot girls that wanted $1000 plus hotel for "as much as overnight". Which sounds reasonable, but I didn't want to spend that much in one shot.

So I was limited in who I could afford to see. Of the 2 girls I did meet with:

-#1 was very direct and forward, offered PPM voluntarily, $500, she was a 21 yo college student just graduating. It was fun, she was not as hot as most SPs but sexy and it was hot to be with a "regular girl"

Time was not defined but understood to be "a few hours". She was cool and I have no regrets. $650 including hotel for about 3 hours, good conversation.

Second one was late 30's single mom, hot in a kinky kind of way. Not conventionally hot but sexy and signalled kink positive in her profile which got my attention.

She was open to PPM for $300 but said she wanted an arrangement and not to be "one of many" eventually.

She was very giving with her time. We sexted for a few days. I was a gentleman and let her open up at her pace and by day 2 or 3 she was sending me nudes and we were talking extremely dirty.

She told me she wanted me to "train her to be my perfect little fucktoy" and "use all 3 holes" etc. Really fucking hot.

We met and the sex was great. Problem is I she started talking like we were dating and I by this time knew enough about her life that I knew I wasn't interested in anything other than meeting for sex.

It got messy for me to have to essentially let her down. I didn't like the way I felt about it.

Anyways, after that I decided to stick to what I know.

There are also the rinsers on there. I got taken for $60 by a girl who said she did PPM for $250 and lived near me.

But she said part of her process was that I had to pay her $60 for some content on SnaP.

When I told her I didn't want to do anything online and just wanted to meet, she started talking about not meeting anymore so I caved and sent her the $60.

She did send me some pics and vids which seemed consistent with her profile pics but could have easily been someone's stolen content.

After that we agreed to meet the following weekend and all seemed well, until I checked Snap and she said "I'm looking forward to out meet but I wish I could get my nails done"

I told her that I won't be looking at her nails and don't worry about it. She didn't like that answer.

We never met surprise surprise.

One last one was I met a girl right at the end of my 2 month journey. She was brand new, struggling with bills and her friend had told her to try SB.

It took a couple of chats but she agreed to meet me for dinner. We met at a restaurant, she was nervous as hell from the get go.

Just as we were looking at the menus, she excused herself to the washroom and then texted me that she couldn't go through with it and had to leave.

I had told her that we are just 2 people meeting for dinner and nothing had to happen unless she was ok with it.

I try not to take it personally, but I can actually relate to her having a holy shit moment and the flight response taking over. Been there.

And that was the end for me.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

I'll expand on my answer above a little now that I have more time.

My goal going in was I think what a lot of guys are trying to do: get more for less. I live seeing SPs and it has brought a lot to my life.

But I can't afford as much time as I would like, and I am lonely/bored between meetings. For me this lifestyle is about more than sex, right or wrong that's how I'm wired. I want connection.

So I thought seeing an SB might get me more of the GFE stuff outside of just the sex.

And I do think it can. But there is a bit of a conflict of interest from the start. Most girls would like to have an arrangement plus spoiling. That is a traditional SB/SD arrangement.

Just as we are coaching each other to go for PPM and never pay for first meets etc, they are coaching new girls to never give away time for free, ask for allowance plus spoiling etc

Going in I was aware of my budget and that I wasn't going to stop seeing the SPs that I was already seeing so that cut my possible budget in at least half, so basically anything like a real arrangement was out of my reach.

I could only do PPM, and probably only 1-2x per month max. So I would match with a girl, ask if she did PPM, fins out her ask.

Anything over $500 was basically out for me. I had a couple of young very hot girls that wanted $1000 plus hotel for "as much as overnight". Which sounds reasonable, but I didn't want to spend that much in one shot.

So I was limited in who I could afford to see. Of the 2 girls I did meet with:

-#1 was very direct and forward, offered PPM voluntarily, $500, she was a 21 yo college student just graduating. It was fun, she was not as hot as most SPs but sexy and it was hot to be with a "regular girl"

Time was not defined but understood to be "a few hours". She was cool and I have no regrets. $650 including hotel for about 3 hours, good conversation.

Second one was late 30's single mom, hot in a kinky kind of way. Not conventionally hot but sexy and signalled kink positive in her profile which got my attention.

She was open to PPM for $300 but said she wanted an arrangement and not to be "one of many" eventually.

She was very giving with her time. We sexted for a few days. I was a gentleman and let her open up at her pace and by day 2 or 3 she was sending me nudes and we were talking extremely dirty.

She told me she wanted me to "train her to be my perfect little fucktoy" and "use all 3 holes" etc. Really fucking hot.

We met and the sex was great. Problem is I she started talking like we were dating and I by this time knew enough about her life that I knew I wasn't interested in anything other than meeting for sex.

It got messy for me to have to essentially let her down. I didn't like the way I felt about it.

Anyways, after that I decided to stick to what I know.

There are also the rinsers on there. I got taken for $60 by a girl who said she did PPM for $250 and lived near me.

But she said part of her process was that I had to pay her $60 for some content on SnaP.

When I told her I didn't want to do anything online and just wanted to meet, she started talking about not meeting anymore so I caved and sent her the $60.

She did send me some pics and vids which seemed consistent with her profile pics but could have easily been someone's stolen content.

After that we agreed to meet the following weekend and all seemed well, until I checked Snap and she said "I'm looking forward to out meet but I wish I could get my nails done"

I told her that I won't be looking at her nails and don't worry about it. She didn't like that answer.

We never met surprise surprise.

One last one was I met a girl right at the end of my 2 month journey. She was brand new, struggling with bills and her friend had told her to try SB.

It took a couple of chats but she agreed to meet me for dinner. We met at a restaurant, she was nervous as hell from the get go.

Just as we were looking at the menus, she excused herself to the washroom and then texted me that she couldn't go through with it and had to leave.

I had told her that we are just 2 people meeting for dinner and nothing had to happen unless she was ok with it.

I try not to take it personally, but I can actually relate to her having a holy shit moment and the flight response taking over. Been there.

And that was the end for me.

Thanks for posting that. So much of what can happen in the sugar world is contained in your experiences. It’s great information for anyone contemplating jumping in

 

[RJ11]

I'll expand on my answer above a little now that I have more time.

My goal going in was I think what a lot of guys are trying to do: get more for less. I live seeing SPs and it has brought a lot to my life.

But I can't afford as much time as I would like, and I am lonely/bored between meetings. For me this lifestyle is about more than sex, right or wrong that's how I'm wired. I want connection.

So I thought seeing an SB might get me more of the GFE stuff outside of just the sex.

And I do think it can. But there is a bit of a conflict of interest from the start. Most girls would like to have an arrangement plus spoiling. That is a traditional SB/SD arrangement.

Just as we are coaching each other to go for PPM and never pay for first meets etc, they are coaching new girls to never give away time for free, ask for allowance plus spoiling etc

Going in I was aware of my budget and that I wasn't going to stop seeing the SPs that I was already seeing so that cut my possible budget in at least half, so basically anything like a real arrangement was out of my reach.

I could only do PPM, and probably only 1-2x per month max. So I would match with a girl, ask if she did PPM, fins out her ask.

Anything over $500 was basically out for me. I had a couple of young very hot girls that wanted $1000 plus hotel for "as much as overnight". Which sounds reasonable, but I didn't want to spend that much in one shot.

So I was limited in who I could afford to see. Of the 2 girls I did meet with:

-#1 was very direct and forward, offered PPM voluntarily, $500, she was a 21 yo college student just graduating. It was fun, she was not as hot as most SPs but sexy and it was hot to be with a "regular girl"

Time was not defined but understood to be "a few hours". She was cool and I have no regrets. $650 including hotel for about 3 hours, good conversation.

Second one was late 30's single mom, hot in a kinky kind of way. Not conventionally hot but sexy and signalled kink positive in her profile which got my attention.

She was open to PPM for $300 but said she wanted an arrangement and not to be "one of many" eventually.

She was very giving with her time. We sexted for a few days. I was a gentleman and let her open up at her pace and by day 2 or 3 she was sending me nudes and we were talking extremely dirty.

She told me she wanted me to "train her to be my perfect little fucktoy" and "use all 3 holes" etc. Really fucking hot.

We met and the sex was great. Problem is I she started talking like we were dating and I by this time knew enough about her life that I knew I wasn't interested in anything other than meeting for sex.

It got messy for me to have to essentially let her down. I didn't like the way I felt about it.

Anyways, after that I decided to stick to what I know.

There are also the rinsers on there. I got taken for $60 by a girl who said she did PPM for $250 and lived near me.

But she said part of her process was that I had to pay her $60 for some content on SnaP.

When I told her I didn't want to do anything online and just wanted to meet, she started talking about not meeting anymore so I caved and sent her the $60.

She did send me some pics and vids which seemed consistent with her profile pics but could have easily been someone's stolen content.

After that we agreed to meet the following weekend and all seemed well, until I checked Snap and she said "I'm looking forward to out meet but I wish I could get my nails done"

I told her that I won't be looking at her nails and don't worry about it. She didn't like that answer.

We never met surprise surprise.

One last one was I met a girl right at the end of my 2 month journey. She was brand new, struggling with bills and her friend had told her to try SB.

It took a couple of chats but she agreed to meet me for dinner. We met at a restaurant, she was nervous as hell from the get go.

Just as we were looking at the menus, she excused herself to the washroom and then texted me that she couldn't go through with it and had to leave.

I had told her that we are just 2 people meeting for dinner and nothing had to happen unless she was ok with it.

I try not to take it personally, but I can actually relate to her having a holy shit moment and the flight response taking over. Been there.

And that was the end for me.

It's ok to be firm with the girls (you can do it nicely) - I don't do paid coffees, its a waste of time. Need to have rebuttals in place to circumvent their programming (ex. paid coffee meets)
Can share stories that you've met a few weird girls on here and now you like to have a video chat before meeting anyone in person. How you frame things is important, because you don't want to get put in the sucker/paypig category, which is what some of these girls are looking for...
A video/phone chat is inexpensive in terms of time cost/commitment vs and in-person meet - much easier to pull off
Can say let's hop on a quick chat, and if it goes well for both of us, I can meet asap

P.S. I learnt all this the hard way, I was a noob when I started

 

[Hypehobby123]

I'll expand on my answer above a little now that I have more time.

My goal going in was I think what a lot of guys are trying to do: get more for less. I live seeing SPs and it has brought a lot to my life.

But I can't afford as much time as I would like, and I am lonely/bored between meetings. For me this lifestyle is about more than sex, right or wrong that's how I'm wired. I want connection.

So I thought seeing an SB might get me more of the GFE stuff outside of just the sex.

And I do think it can. But there is a bit of a conflict of interest from the start. Most girls would like to have an arrangement plus spoiling. That is a traditional SB/SD arrangement.

Just as we are coaching each other to go for PPM and never pay for first meets etc, they are coaching new girls to never give away time for free, ask for allowance plus spoiling etc

Going in I was aware of my budget and that I wasn't going to stop seeing the SPs that I was already seeing so that cut my possible budget in at least half, so basically anything like a real arrangement was out of my reach.

I could only do PPM, and probably only 1-2x per month max. So I would match with a girl, ask if she did PPM, fins out her ask.

Anything over $500 was basically out for me. I had a couple of young very hot girls that wanted $1000 plus hotel for "as much as overnight". Which sounds reasonable, but I didn't want to spend that much in one shot.

So I was limited in who I could afford to see. Of the 2 girls I did meet with:

-#1 was very direct and forward, offered PPM voluntarily, $500, she was a 21 yo college student just graduating. It was fun, she was not as hot as most SPs but sexy and it was hot to be with a "regular girl"

Time was not defined but understood to be "a few hours". She was cool and I have no regrets. $650 including hotel for about 3 hours, good conversation.

Second one was late 30's single mom, hot in a kinky kind of way. Not conventionally hot but sexy and signalled kink positive in her profile which got my attention.

She was open to PPM for $300 but said she wanted an arrangement and not to be "one of many" eventually.

She was very giving with her time. We sexted for a few days. I was a gentleman and let her open up at her pace and by day 2 or 3 she was sending me nudes and we were talking extremely dirty.

She told me she wanted me to "train her to be my perfect little fucktoy" and "use all 3 holes" etc. Really fucking hot.

We met and the sex was great. Problem is I she started talking like we were dating and I by this time knew enough about her life that I knew I wasn't interested in anything other than meeting for sex.

It got messy for me to have to essentially let her down. I didn't like the way I felt about it.

Anyways, after that I decided to stick to what I know.

There are also the rinsers on there. I got taken for $60 by a girl who said she did PPM for $250 and lived near me.

But she said part of her process was that I had to pay her $60 for some content on SnaP.

When I told her I didn't want to do anything online and just wanted to meet, she started talking about not meeting anymore so I caved and sent her the $60.

She did send me some pics and vids which seemed consistent with her profile pics but could have easily been someone's stolen content.

After that we agreed to meet the following weekend and all seemed well, until I checked Snap and she said "I'm looking forward to out meet but I wish I could get my nails done"

I told her that I won't be looking at her nails and don't worry about it. She didn't like that answer.

We never met surprise surprise.

One last one was I met a girl right at the end of my 2 month journey. She was brand new, struggling with bills and her friend had told her to try SB.

It took a couple of chats but she agreed to meet me for dinner. We met at a restaurant, she was nervous as hell from the get go.

Just as we were looking at the menus, she excused herself to the washroom and then texted me that she couldn't go through with it and had to leave.

I had told her that we are just 2 people meeting for dinner and nothing had to happen unless she was ok with it.

I try not to take it personally, but I can actually relate to her having a holy shit moment and the flight response taking over. Been there.

And that was the end for me.

yup this is exactly how i’ve found it so far. these girls are getting coached and any girl with a profile over a year old knows the ropes and is finessing you no matter how naive they act. just like we coach each other these girls are all being coached by friends or online on how to suck as much money as possible.

the only girls worth seeing seem to be unfortunately the ones that want 1k which i can’t really justify although occasionally one does seem extremely hot. I don’t know man, from the stories I thought guys found a young cute girl that is cool with seeing you and everything for 300-400 a visit and have a better relationship than with an sp. but realistically on seeking that’s only happening if she’s fat or over 29. and tbh i can get either of those without ever paying for it.

 

[Hypehobby123]

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It's ok to be firm with the girls (you can do it nicely) - I don't do paid coffees, its a waste of time. Need to have rebuttals in place to circumvent their programming (ex. paid coffee meets)
Can share stories that you've met a few weird girls on here and now you like to have a video chat before meeting anyone in person. How you frame things is important, because you don't want to get put in the sucker/paypig category, which is what some of these girls are looking for...
A video/phone chat is inexpensive in terms of time cost/commitment vs and in-person meet - much easier to pull off
Can say let's hop on a quick chat, and if it goes well for both of us, I can meet asap

P.S. I learnt all this the hard way, I was a noob when I started

i might have to try ur method where you have a bit of charisma and charm on a chat and use urgency by not being a tire kicker to get your way. the thing is a lot of these girls are fishing, realistically they just want one or two guys a month to pay their 1k and don’t care for volume. a lot of them just want to get that extra 1-2k a month and so they have the power to not even entertain the low balls cause they know eventually one sucker will bite, and they would rather fuck the one guy for 1k then two guys for 700 each or 1400.

 

[billsmafia]

$300 was the rate pre-covid. $500-$600 is the typical ppm in 2026. Anyone still charging $300 is either a noob, not desirable or a scam.

 

[RJ11]

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i might have to try ur method where you have a bit of charisma and charm on a chat and use urgency by not being a tire kicker to get your way. the thing is a lot of these girls are fishing, realistically they just want one or two guys a month to pay their 1k and don’t care for volume. a lot of them just want to get that extra 1-2k a month and so they have the power to not even entertain the low balls cause they know eventually one sucker will bite, and they would rather fuck the one guy for 1k then two guys for 700 each or 1400.

Haha...yeah. I have a few "on retainer" that I still meetup with. I'm not paying $1k myself, more like $400-500