If you have a newer, better car for your personal needs, then it sounds as if you made the right choice. My only point was that the dealer made money on the transaction, the profit they made did not come out of thin air. You paid for it somewhere, but if the end result is you are in a more suitable automobile for your current lifestyle, then yes, sounds as if you have won.
snow tires
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burt-oh-my!
Sounds as if snow tires aren't for you. Fair enough. Just don't think that all seasons can be compared to snows in winter, that's ludicrous.
like most people who think all-seasons are the solution and that their driving skills are better than others and therefore they don't need snow tires, this decision will come back to haunt you at one point in your life. Just hope its only physical damage that will be caused and not personal damage to yourself or others. If you want further proof, talk to any friends who are firefighters, police or EMS. They see the outcomes on a daily basis and it continues to amaze them that people will go out and spend hundreds for an Iphone or Ipad but snuff their nose at spending similar amounts of money on something that will actually save their lives.
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but.......
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but.......
Well it sounds like you have it all figured out.....not. While you may have been "trained" by a trucker at one point in time, I own a trucking company. My fleet puts on more miles in a week than you will in your entire lifetime. I've trained them, mentored them, investigated acciidents, for over 20 years so i know a thing or two about this sort of thing.
I don't know you so i don't want to appear to be talking down to you. Its your choice and obviously you have convinced yourself that your superior driving skills offset any need for you to actually have maximum traction in snow and ice so we don't need go down that road any more but maybe there are a few others out there who are sitting on the fence and need to look at this differently.
The roads today are filled with over-confident drivers who think they know it all and drive in that same manner. Its drivers who carry similar attitudes as the poster above which are the most worrisome for people such as myself. My drivers are trained specifically to watch out for that type of driver, the one who thinks they have it all under control until the inevitable happens and they either push the envelope too far or most often, are unable to react to a situation beyond their control and they end up either causing an accident or often making a small fender bender a major accident. I don't have enough fingers and toes to tell you how many times I have come up to an accident scene where a 20 something driver is standing at the side of the road with a face as white as a ghost retelling the accident and that they "didn't know what happened, the car became uncontrollable". They all share the same convictions which are similar to those expressed by the poster in post 169 that they are the best drivers out there and they couldn't believe this happened to them.
I'm not sure why I even responded to this thread in the first place. I've said my little piece, and now I will be on my way. Not trying to make enemies, just tired of seeing the same mistakes being made over and over again and thought I would pipe up.
As a side note, I had two of my trucks hit by other vehicles yesterday and in both cases, these were other vehicles sliding into us because they couldn't control their vehicle. Would snow tires have prevented these accidents? Maybe.... but it is important to note that both vehicles in question were not outfitted with snow tires and today, they are making deductible payments to their insurance companies when they could have taken that money and purchased snows in the first place
I don't know you so i don't want to appear to be talking down to you. Its your choice and obviously you have convinced yourself that your superior driving skills offset any need for you to actually have maximum traction in snow and ice so we don't need go down that road any more but maybe there are a few others out there who are sitting on the fence and need to look at this differently.
The roads today are filled with over-confident drivers who think they know it all and drive in that same manner. Its drivers who carry similar attitudes as the poster above which are the most worrisome for people such as myself. My drivers are trained specifically to watch out for that type of driver, the one who thinks they have it all under control until the inevitable happens and they either push the envelope too far or most often, are unable to react to a situation beyond their control and they end up either causing an accident or often making a small fender bender a major accident. I don't have enough fingers and toes to tell you how many times I have come up to an accident scene where a 20 something driver is standing at the side of the road with a face as white as a ghost retelling the accident and that they "didn't know what happened, the car became uncontrollable". They all share the same convictions which are similar to those expressed by the poster in post 169 that they are the best drivers out there and they couldn't believe this happened to them.
I'm not sure why I even responded to this thread in the first place. I've said my little piece, and now I will be on my way. Not trying to make enemies, just tired of seeing the same mistakes being made over and over again and thought I would pipe up.
As a side note, I had two of my trucks hit by other vehicles yesterday and in both cases, these were other vehicles sliding into us because they couldn't control their vehicle. Would snow tires have prevented these accidents? Maybe.... but it is important to note that both vehicles in question were not outfitted with snow tires and today, they are making deductible payments to their insurance companies when they could have taken that money and purchased snows in the first place
Not really!
Simply stating if he is such a 'snows' fanatic, he should have snows on his entire fleet, no?....
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burt-oh-my!
Of course you can compare winter tires to all season - they dont stop quite as soon. Big deal. All kinds of vehicles have different stopping distances, different safety factors. I'd personally far rather be driving around in a large mercedes or volva with summer tires than a small kia or similar with snows. Unless you take it to teh limit in all aspects of not just driving, but life in general, your arguments that people are silly to forgo winter tires is inconsistent. We all do not maximize safety at all costs in all aspects of our lives. end of \story.
Having snow tires and being overweight, or being a smoker, or drinking and driving, or allowing too much stress into your life - all factors putting you at risk. you pay your money and you take your chances.
Having snow tires and being overweight, or being a smoker, or drinking and driving, or allowing too much stress into your life - all factors putting you at risk. you pay your money and you take your chances.
I never stated that people who didn't run snow tires are silly. All I said was, snow tires make a difference, and it's incorrect to dismiss or argue the handling advantage over all season tires. Obviously it's your choice, and that's fair enough.
I'm guessing you missed the few posts that have pointed out that commercial trucks don't use snow tires as their regular tires are already of sufficient construction?
All seasons are fine then. Thanks for the back up for what I've been saying all along.
Then enlighten me oh wise one. Why don't 18 wheelers, school busses, public transportation coaches, tow trucks, you, etc use snow tires? Go look at them.
This is where you should back down.
Has anyone tried using All Terrain tires all year round? Of course this only applies to truck drivers but I'm curious if it's a good idea. These tires usually have larger gaps allowing snow and slush to exit. My only concern is the hardness of the rubber. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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burt-oh-my!
Well, not you, but rubmeister and some others obviously seem to think so. They indicate that people not using snows will eventually get in an accident because of it, which I don't believe. And I and certainly most of the others who argue snows aren't necessary (including the CAA, remember) recognize their better abilities in winter - we just don't think its necessary.
I love my snows. I didn't get them on before the big storm we had up in the Barrie area a few weeks back and it sucked without them. I borrowed my bro's jack and impact gun and put them on last Sunday. I wouldn't say it's necessary, but it certainly makes a tremendous difference.
Trucks don't use snow tires because their regular tires are basically snow tires already. If you look closely at a truck tire, the tread is very similar to a car snow tire already (large lugs, deep tread pattern). The rubber on a truck tire is not as good (sticky) in cold weather as rubber on a car snow tire but a car exerts about 1,500 lbs an axle onto the road and a truck is around 20,000 lbs per axle so this offsets the disadvantage of the truck rubber a bit.
However even with this, don't be fooled, trucks in winter are not that stable on slick roads either so be careful around them, especially the trucks driving way too fast for the conditions. There are overally confident drivers in the trucking industry as well so its best to avoid these guys as best you can.
However even with this, don't be fooled, trucks in winter are not that stable on slick roads either so be careful around them, especially the trucks driving way too fast for the conditions. There are overally confident drivers in the trucking industry as well so its best to avoid these guys as best you can.
