Should Markjfr be banned?

[LancsLad]

Churchill had an inherent " like" of America , as his mother was a US citizen.

Churchill was an admirer of all forms of adventure, he took part in the Omdurman Cavalry charge, served in the trenches in WW1, was in the Boer War and liked to be in the streets of London during the Blitz. It is natural that he would form a bond with Americans as they were on the ise and picking up the mantle of adventure.

 

[xdog]

OTB said you "mostly lost your battles" which is correct - remember Northern Africa - France..... Britain did the military moonwalk until those Shermans were sent to Africa.

OTB

I believe that Rommel was called away from the African theatre making it easier for those Shermans. I may be incorrect on this so please correct me if so.


x^

 

[onthebottom]

Churchill had an inherent " like" of America , as his mother was a US citizen.

Churchill was an admirer of all forms of adventure, he took part in the Omdurman Cavalry charge, served in the trenches in WW1, was in the Boer War and liked to be in the streets of London during the Blitz. It is natural that he would form a bond with Americans as they were on the ise and picking up the mantle of adventure.

Do you know what Churchill's last words to Parliament were?

OTB

 

[LancsLad]

I believe that Rommel was called away from the African theatre making it easier for those Shermans. I may be incorrect on this so please correct me if so.


x^

The 8th gave Rommel a real ass kicking at El Alamein. Monty gets the credit but Wavell and Alexander did the set u.

 

[LancsLad]

I am really no good at the link thing but Winston also made mention of what would happen should God despair of us. Can't find the quote.

 

[gardener_27]

Haven't you noticed ??

Ring? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? You mean like a telephone? You've got to be kidding.

I assume you are trying to quote Martin Luther King Jr. who said. . .

LET FREEDOM REIGN!!! PLEASE GOD ALMIGHTY LET FREEDOM REIGN!!!

You are very quote oriented in your posts. Screaming at people to get their information or do their research. Right back at 'ya big guy.

Try Shakespeare: "Me thinks he 'doth protest too much".

'Nuf.

Haven't you noticed?? He has the same level of attention to detail and history and the same firm grasp of reality as Dubya. It is hard to tell whose misquotes and re-writing of history and reality are more amusing (and upsetting) Dubya or MarkJfr.

g_27

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I believe that Rommel was called away from the African theatre making it easier for those Shermans. I may be incorrect on this so please correct me if so.


x^

Rommel was eventually called away, but in the last hours of the campaign. When he was called away from the theatre, pretty much all hope was lost for his army. He was called back to prepare France and set up defences for the oncoming invasion.

Rommel was underfunded from the beginning of the campaign and racked up victories in spite of this. Strangely enough, Hitler never offered much support to the African campaign which Rommel found extremely frustrating. His guile, cunning and military genious kept the African Corps going a lot longer than they should have considering they were, in effect, on their own. At that time, Hitler's war effort concentrated on the Eastern Front and fighting the Soviets.

Rommel was Hitler's favourite general and was treated as a great war hero. Because of this, Rommel's involvement in the failed assassination attempt of Hitler was not revealed to the German public and he was "allowed" to kill himself, quietly, with poisen. A far better option than was given the other conspiritors who were hung by piano wire.

This concludes today' history lesson

 

[xdog]

I stand corrected.


x^

 

[LancsLad]

As the drill seargent would say. At ease. Stand down.

Or up here, Stand Easy!!!

 

[danmand]

Rommel was Hitler's favourite general and was treated as a great war hero. Because of this, Rommel's involvement in the failed assassination attempt of Hitler was not revealed to the German public and he was "allowed" to kill himself, quietly, with poisen. A far better option than was given the other conspiritors who were hung by piano wire.

This concludes today' history lesson

Part history, part fiction

 

[assoholic]

..Rommel, my all time favourite. A soldier from day one, born and bred.
In WW1 he made a daring attack against the Italians in the mountains.
I think he got the Iron cross for that one.
A rarity among men, a leader , who led by example effortlessly.
He demanded alot from his men but he got it, because he had earned
it, and still led fom the front, taking chances all the time. Especially in his
unarmed plane , scouting the enemy.
In one of the big campaigns in Africa, he actually passed by a huge British amunition dump, that was obviously concealed.Had he found it, Rommel would have taken Egypt.

 

[assoholic]

..can't say I am an expert, but I dont think the US is gonna be the only
superpower for much longer at this rate.
Lawrence greatly exagerated his military feats in that book as he later admitted.
The Arab campiagn was in large part PR. To garnish public support.
Lawrence , an upper crust intellectual, had to overcome great physical hardships in the dessert in accomplishing what he did,
but as he mentions a few times in the book, he was not a great soldier.
He was smart enough to let the Arab prince lead, while he counciled.
Using the Bedoiun as guerillas,
Lawrence showed great grit in what he accomplished.
Rommel was brought up and lived to a code. He refused Hitlers orders to kill Allied POW'S, so he was an honourable man.
A warrior and proud of it, to the bone.
It was a different world back then, pre-nuke.
Rommel and Lawrence in many ways were the exact opposite.
I might add my vision of future warfare is a series of gueirilla wars, countries
fighting each through proxies, exactly what has been going on since Nam.
The big boys cant fight, or its all over, but slow grinding guerilla wars , like in Iraq
are a good way to bleed the competition/enemy.
Same in Lebanon, Iran cant get at Isreal directly,
but drag them into a costlly and long guerilla war through Hezbollah.
Could Isreal keep up that kind of war for 20 years, with Irans oil reveunes
constantly fueling the fight ?
Personally I dont think so.

 

[assoholic]

..DQ you certainly know more about it then me,
what he added to the "art" of guerilla war I have no idea.
I think you were referring to historical importance while I was just saying Rommel was one of my favortes as a man from the pages of history.
Straight forward, courageous , loyal.
I appreciate the way Rommel lived his life.

 

[assoholic]

The US will always be the superpower in symmetrical warfare.

But, so what if every future conflict is asymmetrical??????

Will we become the superpower of asymmetrical warfare?
What does that mean?

...sorry I misread it, why do you think there are so many private contractors in Iraq.
Thats the US's attempt.
Asymterical warfare to mean simply means one side is willing to take way more
casualties then the other side, that is not a fight the US wants to get in with in the Middle East.
With millions and millions millions of Arabs soon to hit puberty.

 

[assoholic]

..then a huge beaucracy like the Pentagon has no chance to win.
As in Nam, as in Iraq only hold on.
Though your answer reinforces my belief about the Private contractors/mercenaries
as a deliberate tactic.

 

[assoholic]

..like you said the biggest ofice building in the world, good at big things, like developing the A bomb. Winning huge Industrial wars against other industrial
countries. Asymetrical war/gueilla war can only be one with information or total slaughter. They could win in North AMerica, Great Britain because with technology they could track are every moves.
There arent a whole lot of security cameras in Afghanistan,
However there is still that nasty slaughter option out there.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Part history, part fiction

would you care to elaborate?

 

[danmand]

would you care to elaborate?

The generally accepted "historical fact" is that Rommel was not involved in the failed assasination attempt on Hitler, and that he was not aware of it happening. When he was approached about it earlier in the summer, he is believed to have refused to take part in it, proposing instead to have Hitler arrested and tried in court, so not to make him a martyr.

Some of the assasination conspirators may have tried to implicate Rommel in the plot. It may also have played a role, that Hitler accused Rommel of a defeatist attitude, because Rommel just had done a "review" of the german army, and had expressed shock at the state it was in.

 

[basketcase]

...Hitler accused Rommel of a defeatist attitude, Rommel just had done a "review" of the german army, and had expressed shock at the state it was in.

YMMV I guess. Hitler was pissed that all the good sp's were in france.

 

[Asterix]

YMMV I guess. Hitler was pissed that all the good sp's were in france.

Or that he may have only had one. Not referring to the sp's.