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Charlemagne

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Of course the fact......

He lost his father at a young age.....
Lost his mom to pneumonia one year ago....
Has no other family who would take him in.....
Previous discipline issues at two schools......
Social issues probably from mental illness, Aspergers perhaps because he did well academically......
Also at the age where worse mental can manifest....
Easy access to guns in the home......

But the hat.....well that's the biggest contributing factor in this.....
Similar factors apply to shooters with more melanin in their skin all the time but these factors are never brought up...gee I wonder why..
 

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Of course the fact......

He lost his father at a young age.....
Lost his mom to pneumonia one year ago....
Has no other family who would take him in.....
Previous discipline issues at two schools......
Social issues probably from mental illness, Aspergers perhaps because he did well academically......
Also at the age where worse mental can manifest....
Easy access to guns in the home......

But the hat.....well that's the biggest contributing factor in this.....
The one common denominator in all of the mass shootings is that the vast majority were being "treated" for mental/psychiatric issues.The media screams gun control.If you look at the side effects of the pills they are "treated "with is violence,suicide ect

So lets have "car control" because of drunk drivers.

Coincidence that they were all taking pills?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The one common denominator in all of the mass shootings is that the vast majority were being "treated" for mental/psychiatric issues.The media screams gun control.If you look at the side effects of the pills they are "treated "with is violence,suicide ect

So lets have "car control" because of drunk drivers.

Coincidence that they were all taking pills?
Very true!

Here's a list: http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of-drug-induced-killers/
 

Butler1000

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Similar factors apply to shooters with more melanin in their skin all the time but these factors are never brought up...gee I wonder why..
Not at all. The Pulse nightclub shooting I was quite clear, as were many others about mitigating factors.

I believe he was a self hating gay man due to his cultural/religious beliefs and probably coupled with mental illness.

When these tragedies occur I always assume mental instability first. They also tend to be attracted to extremist views of all types.

Doesn't mean they aren't a threat and shouldnt be killed on sight or locked up forever.

But getting it Right as to the reason is important. You simplified it as he is a Trump supporter. And you are wrong.

You beloved a hastily put together meme as fact.

Why should anyone consider the opinion of a parrot as relevant?
 

Butler1000

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The one common denominator in all of the mass shootings is that the vast majority were being "treated" for mental/psychiatric issues.The media screams gun control.If you look at the side effects of the pills they are "treated "with is violence,suicide ect

So lets have "car control" because of drunk drivers.

Coincidence that they were all taking pills?
Um. I'm not sure how to respond to this. Are you insinuating it's the medication and not the mental illness being treated as the main cause?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Um. I'm not sure how to respond to this. Are you insinuating it's the medication and not the mental illness being treated as the main cause?
I think both are contributing factors.

But there are lots of people on these types of medications who don't go on killing sprees, so in the end its still a personal choice
 

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Great......another one wants a cracker......
Are you the 'cracker' you speak of? I was polite and said alt righties. Not crackers. :encouragement:

But I guess a hit dog will always holler...or as we say in the shitehole I originated from - "throw stone in a hog pen. who bawl first, get lick."
 

Butler1000

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Are you the 'cracker' you speak of? I was polite and said alt righties. Not crackers. :encouragement:

But I guess a hit dog will always holler...or as we say in the shitehole I originated from - "throw stone in a hog pen. who bawl first, get lick."
Oh I think you know I'm not an alt right type. My previous post on the Pulse shooting shows that.

But "yung_dude"(his previous banned handle) and yourself tend to cast a rather wide aspersion net yourselves in determining political leanings.

Although I suppose calling you a parrot was out of line. You can actually put up a self written post.

He tends to rely on c and p and simple aligning as opposed to reasoned argument.

So I will take back the parrot comment.
 

essguy_

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The one common denominator in all of the mass shootings is that the vast majority were being "treated" for mental/psychiatric issues.The media screams gun control.If you look at the side effects of the pills they are "treated "with is violence,suicide ect

So lets have "car control" because of drunk drivers.

Coincidence that they were all taking pills?

Not sure if this is the route you intended with your post, but there IS car control: it’s called a license. In order to get this license you have to pass a live test with a live human examiner reviewing your competence behind the wheel. If, after acquiring your license, you are convicted of a serious driving offense the licensing authority can suspend your LEGAL right to drive. There are State level databases which hold all the licensing information, including description, current address etc. Other States, or Federal authorities can access this data with minimal delay.

I am not a gun control advocate not because of ideological reasons but because I’m a pragmatist. Banning guns, or certain types of weapons won’t eliminate a problem because there are ways around restrictions on certain weapons (plus any half decent machinist can easily fabricate modifications). However, I firmly believe that licensing should be tougher and testing and background checks should be more stringent and Nationally standardized. So definitely bring “car control” like regulations to gun purchases. Why? Number one is safety. But a close second is to make it harder for borderline personality types to legally purchase a weapon. Side note: I’d also advocate to only allow guns to be sold at specialized gun stores (IN store) where staff are familiar with weapons and won’t be afraid to refuse a sale. It’s too easy to walk into a Walmart, speak to some smiling part-timer, and walk out with a weapon. Buying a gun shouldn’t be as easy as buying a toaster, and there should be a bit of an intimidation factor where you are being sized up by the person behind the counter.

BTW, none of these suggestions would impact any Second Amendment rights or rights to purchase any type of weapon - they would just ensure that there are more steps and checks before being able to legally acquire a weapon.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Not sure if this is the route you intended with your post, but there IS car control: it’s called a license. In order to get this license you have to pass a live test with a live human examiner reviewing your competence behind the wheel. If, after acquiring your license, you are convicted of a serious driving offense the licensing authority can suspend your LEGAL right to drive. There are State level databases which hold all the licensing information, including description, current address etc. Other States, or Federal authorities can access this data with minimal delay.

I am not a gun control advocate not because of ideological reasons but because I’m a pragmatist. Banning guns, or certain types of weapons won’t eliminate a problem because there are ways around restrictions on certain weapons (plus any half decent machinist can easily fabricate modifications). However, I firmly believe that licensing should be tougher and testing and background checks should be more stringent and Nationally standardized. So definitely bring “car control” like regulations to gun purchases. Why? Number one is safety. But a close second is to make it harder for borderline personality types to legally purchase a weapon. Side note: I’d also advocate to only allow guns to be sold at specialized gun stores (IN store) where staff are familiar with weapons and won’t be afraid to refuse a sale. It’s too easy to walk into a Walmart, speak to some smiling part-timer, and walk out with a weapon. Buying a gun shouldn’t be as easy as buying a toaster, and there should be a bit of an intimidation factor where you are being sized up by the person behind the counter.

BTW, none of these suggestions would impact any Second Amendment rights or rights to purchase any type of weapon - they would just ensure that there are more steps and checks before being able to legally acquire a weapon
They have some of these gun controls already. In many States they do background checks, and if you're a convicted felon you cannot legally purchase a firearm. There are also cooling off periods.

Of course this doesnt stop criminals from owning guns
 

essguy_

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They have some of these gun controls already. In many States they do background checks, and if you're a convicted felon you cannot legally purchase a firearm. There are also cooling off periods.

Of course this doesnt stop criminals from owning guns
No State has any licensing requirement close to what it takes to drive a vehicle. And it should be standardized. In my opinion, #1 reason is for safety since I am convinced that the majority of gun owners do not know enough about safe handling of their weapon. Criminals will always be able to acquire a weapon. But psycho’s and borderline personality types may have more difficulty getting a weapon and ammunition illegally simply because of their affliction. And why make it easy to do it legally? Also ideally (which would admittedly be difficult to implement) there should be red flags that will pop up on background checks if a person is under psychiatric care, was convicted of domestic abuse, etc.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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But psycho’s and borderline personality types may have more difficulty getting a weapon and ammunition illegally simply because of their affliction
Yeah, and where do you draw the line?? Do bipolar people not get to own guns??
Because thats half of America....LOL.

You then start to run into 2nd amendment issues as well
 

danmand

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The Americans live in a (self described perfect) democracy, where the elected represent the will of the people.
They have chosen to live this way.
 

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Generation Z (the cohort that's younger than millennials) is so desensitized, they're taking pics of the bodies and posting them on snapchat.
 
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