Shooting at a Florida high school

[shack]

To be fair, not all arguments by the pro-gun lobby is spurious. There have been times of human madness when innocent civilians could have used one or two guns to defend themselves. Examples include:

1) The Jews in Nazi Germany would not have gone down without a fight if they were armed.
2) White famers in South Africa need guns to protect their families and properties.
3) Christians in Egypt and many other Muslim countries need guns to protect their families from extremist and state sponsored attacks.

I believe the issue is gun violence in the U.S. Very little chance of those scenarios above happening any time soon. As such IMO, they are not currently relevant to the discussion.

 

[IM469]

Riiiiight because a teacher with a gun would be as good as a SWAT member.

I'm guessing the police and SWAT members would be thrilled to enter an active shooting scene where they must worry about getting shot from both the shooter and by terrified armed teachers.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

1) The Jews in Nazi Germany would not have gone down without a fight if they were armed

You can add all the other European countries to that list.
Hitler never wouldve been able to conquer Europe had civilians been allowed to own firearms.

Look at Switzerland, they were never occupied. Thats partially due to their terrain, but mostly due to their gun policy:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/readings/halbrook.html

Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain

So entire World War 2 could have been prevented (or at least lessened) if every European citizen owned 1 or 2 firearms in their homes. This is why I'm so against gun-control, because if you think World War 3 can never happen, you better think again

 

[shack]

The Jews in Nazi Germany would not have gone down without a fight if they were armed.

Actually, they did fight. There was a big uprising in the Warszaw Ghetto.

 

[basketcase]

To be fair, not all arguments by the pro-gun lobby is spurious. There have been times of human madness when innocent civilians could have used one or two guns to defend themselves. Examples include:

1) The Jews in Nazi Germany would not have gone down without a fight if they were armed.
2) White famers in South Africa need guns to protect their families and properties.
3) Christians in Egypt and many other Muslim countries need guns to protect their families from extremist and state sponsored attacks.

So you are saying the US needs guns because they are needed in states beset by racism?


I won't even get into how false your holocaust claim is or how useless rifles and handguns are when the state is the one doing the violence.