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Bullshit. The UN rejected the claim.
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They said they had issues with the process, not the content.
That doesn't reject the findings of the report in the least.

What's very sad is your false claim is the best you can do, meaning that you have no other defence anymore against the rest of the these findings and statements.
And note that there are many, many more.

Sorry, the multiple reports and expert statements all say that Israel is apartheid.
South African Nobel winner:
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874

Even two past Israeli PM's, Barak and Olmert, have stated without the two state solution Israel will be apartheid.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.796949
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/israelis-on-apartheid

Israeli's have been polled supporting apartheid.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies

The charges of apartheid are presently being weighed by the ICC.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...l-war-crime-evidence-icc-170920115342560.html
 
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Frankfooter said:
They said they had issues with the process, not the content.
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And so it's not a UN report. Done.

And posting the same bullshit doesn't say anything except you refuse to admit you are wrong. In fact the polls show you are wrong. If Israelis are worried about becoming apartheid in the future, that means it isn't now.


More significantly, your attempt to distract from your defense of Hamas and refusal to hold Palestinians or any Arabs accountable for their actions won't work. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Part of Fatah is a terrorist organization. Both massively abuse human rights of their own people far worse than Israel does. Saudi Arabia and Iran are also massive human rights abusers and you can't find your way to actually criticize them without trying to pretend Israel is worse.
 
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And so it's not a UN report. Done.
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You should read it.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/w...inian-people-apartheid-occupation-english.pdf

UN letterhead, commissioned by the UN.
Copyright UN.

And as one of the author notes about the report's standing:
As far as I know the report itself has not been repudiated by ESCWA. In fact, it has been endorsed in a formal decision of the 18 foreign ministers of the ESCWA countries, including a recommendation to other organs of the UN System that the findings and recommendations of the report be respected. Beyond this, the report has altered the discourse in civil society and to some extent, in diplomatic settings, making the terminology of ‘apartheid’ increasingly displace the emphasis on ‘occupation.’
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https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2017/09/21/apartheid-and-the-future-of-israelpalestine/

More significantly, your attempts to distract from discussion of Israeli apartheid by shouting 'Hamas, Hamas, Hamas' won't work.
Israel is apartheid and you support apartheid.
 
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You should read it.
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It's not a UN report. Admit it.

And whether a group of racists despots repudiated it has no bearing on the fact. Attempts by the massive rights abusers making up the entirety of the ESCWA are laughable. You choosing to parrot it shows you don't care about human rights at all.
 
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Frankfooter said:
...More significantly, your attempts to distract from discussion of Israeli apartheid by shouting 'Hamas, Hamas, Hamas' won't work.
Israel is apartheid and you support apartheid..
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Sorry but I deal in facts. Hamas and wings of Fatah are designated terrorist entities. 46% of Palestinians support attacks on Israeli civilians. Hamas and the PA are massive abusers of human rights. But instead of commenting on them, you spend all your energy on a bullshit claim of apartheid.
 
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And it is amazing about how you defend countries like Iran and the Palestinian leadership.

Iran practices actual apartheid in the governmental system. Religious minorities are excluded from the political system, only being allowed to vote in separate elections for the one parliament position accorded to their religion. All higher office in Iran is limited by law to Shia Muslims.

Saudi Arabia practices actual apartheid. Religious minorities are denied the right to any public expression of their religion and parts of the country ban non-Muslims.

The PA practices apartheid because they allow Israeli Arabs free travel in the areas they control and allow them to purchase land while Israeli Jews are denied both.

Most of the Arab world practices apartheid against the Palestinians, denying them the basic rights they accord to their citizens simply because where their ancestors came from.

Yet no criticism of any of that.

p.s. In Apartheid South Africa, black parties were not calling for the elimination of all whites in the area. Differences between the rights of Israeli Arabs and West Bank Palestinians result from the fact that the Palestinian leadership continues to promote the removal of Israel and/or Jews.
 
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And on the topic of things you refuse to criticize, 46% of Palestinians support attacks on Israeli civilians, the PA continues to pay salaries to convicted terrorists and celebrated terrorists by naming institutions after them, a large segment of Fatah is a designated terrorist entity and Hamas is a designated terrorist entity.

And no response from you?
 
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And it is amazing about how you defend countries like Iran and the Palestinian leadership.

Iran practices actual apartheid in the governmental system. Religious minorities are excluded from the political system, only being allowed to vote in separate elections for the one parliament position accorded to their religion. All higher office in Iran is limited by law to Shia Muslims.

Saudi Arabia practices actual apartheid. Religious minorities are denied the right to any public expression of their religion and parts of the country ban non-Muslims.

The PA practices apartheid because they allow Israeli Arabs free travel in the areas they control and allow them to purchase land while Israeli Jews are denied both.

Most of the Arab world practices apartheid against the Palestinians, denying them the basic rights they accord to their citizens simply because where their ancestors came from.

Yet no criticism of any of that.

p.s. In Apartheid South Africa, black parties were not calling for the elimination of all whites in the area. Differences between the rights of Israeli Arabs and West Bank Palestinians result from the fact that the Palestinian leadership continues to promote the removal of Israel and/or Jews.
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None of those examples are apartheid, but if you really feel they are you should put together a file and send it to the ICC.

Or you could ask an expert, like Bishop Desmond Tutu, who lived through South African Apartheid.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-...apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874

Or you could worry about who is going to arrest your heroes first, interpol or the ICC, as they are doing in Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Who-will-try-to-arrest-Israelis-first-ICC-or-Interpol-507118

Or you could read plans for entrenching apartheid permanently in Israel from one of your moral leaders.
http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/A-dip...-Minister-Naftali-Bennett-pushes-right-506960

Why are you still supporting apartheid and claiming to be a backer of human rights?
 
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And on the topic of things you refuse to criticize, 46% of Palestinians support attacks on Israeli civilians, the PA continues to pay salaries to convicted terrorists and celebrated terrorists by naming institutions after them, a large segment of Fatah is a designated terrorist entity and Hamas is a designated terrorist entity.
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And no response from you?
 
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Frankfooter said:
If you want to end support of terrorism you need to end apartheid rule and give Palestinians equal rights or their own homeland.
Its pretty simple.
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Wow. What a surprise. Instead of criticizing terrorism, you just want to justify it.


p.s. Pretty amazing that you now pretend you support a two state peace instead of the one state farce you want to force on everyone.
 
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Wow. What a surprise. Instead of criticizing terrorism, you just want to justify it.
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Noting that Palestinians support terrorism because they live under a brutal, apartheid and 50 year long occupation isn't 'justifying' it, its stating the causes so that people like you, who claim to want to end terrorism, could hopefully figure out the incredibly simple way of ending it.

Give them equal rights or their own state.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Noting that Palestinians support terrorism ....
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...without condemning their terrorist leadership or the massive support the people have for terrorism is clearly justifying it. In your posting history, you have NEVER criticized anything about the Palestinians without trying to blame it all on Israel.

And it is worth noting that Hamas and large factions of Fatah are opposed to Israel's existence, not the occupation of the West Bank. Most Palestinian literature refers to 1948 as the 'occupation' date.
 
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