Saudi Arabia financed a dry run of 9/11 in 1999

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So you're back to being a lying piece of trash. You've lost this discussion. Saudi Arabia is worse than Hamas, Iran is worse than the PA, and Israel is far, far better than any of them. Just have some decency and just walk away instead of continuing to prove how much of an immoral fraud you are.
You have yet to show any crime Saudi Arabia is guilty of that is worse then Apartheid.
Yes, Saudi is a horrid country of extremists, some of who may have supported the 9/11 attacks, yet that is still not as evil as the crime of apartheid, which is just below genocide as the most evil of crimes.
The bar here is incredibly low yet you keep tripping over it.
 

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Now you're changing the subject....
Sorry but your continued justification of terrorism and the 46% of Palestinians who support it is the topic. If you really were opposed to attacks on civilians then you would be criticizing the actions of the Palestinian leadership and the views of many Palestinian people but instead you just desperately want to pretend Israel is evil.
 

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You have yet to show any crime Saudi Arabia is guilty of that is worse then Apartheid.....
In reasonable circles, someone would be considered retarded for thinking legally enforced ownership of women wasn't that bad. Even Iran's execution of gays isn't as bad as Saudi repression of women.
 

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Sorry but your continued justification of terrorism and the 46% of Palestinians who support it is the topic.
No, this is a thread about Saudi support of 9/11, but you keep turning it into a discussion about Palestinian occupation.

But since you're on about poll numbers:
63% view popular peaceful confrontations as an effective means of resistance.
52% support and 47% oppose the two-state solution
But 57% think the two-state solution is no longer practical.
71% support joining more international organizations, 67% support popular non-violent resistance, 45% support a return to an armed intifada, and 47% support the dissolution of the PA.
31% support and 67% oppose the one-state solution.
http://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/711

Most support non-violent means, but considering all the avenues that have been tried and yet they still live under a brutal apartheid occupation, the poll numbers aren't really surprising.
But even after 50 years of brutal occupation most still support peaceful means, that's actually pretty impressive for a people living under apartheid.

Oh, and Young Jewish American opinions?
-Just 42% believe Israel wants peace.

-Just 38% believe “Israel is civilized and Western”.

-Just 31% believe Israel is a democracy.
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2016/06...can-jews-think-about-israel-and-its-not-good/

Its only really old people like you that are holding on to those 19th century, racist colonial ideas.
 

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In reasonable circles, someone would be considered retarded for thinking legally enforced ownership of women wasn't that bad. Even Iran's execution of gays isn't as bad as Saudi repression of women.
Oh that's very bad, I agree.
I can't believe you really think Canada should be an ally of a country that treats women so bad.

The moral debate is whether that's worse then apartheid.
 

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The moral debate is whether that's worse then apartheid.
The subjugation of all women is far worse that South African Apartheid was.

(And the two million Arabs with full rights in Israel completely destroy your bullshit about apartheid there)
 

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... the poll numbers aren't really surprising.
But even after 50 years of brutal occupation most still support peaceful means, that's actually pretty impressive for a people living under apartheid....
It's amazing you justify 46% of Palestinians supporting terrorism by reminding us Israel has had to deal with 100 years of Palestinian terrorism.
 

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The subjugation of all women is far worse that South African Apartheid was.

(And the two million Arabs with full rights in Israel completely destroy your bullshit about apartheid there)
The UN has reported that treatment of Palestinians you call 'Israeli Arabs' is part and parcel of the Apartheid practice.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/w...inian-people-apartheid-occupation-english.pdf
I expect the ICC is reviewing this report, by the way.

By the way, do you want to provide documentation on the claim that Saudis enslave all women in their country?
Something tells me you read this on the same site that told you that Iran had 200 years of processed uranium on stock.
 

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It's amazing you justify 46% of Palestinians supporting terrorism by reminding us Israel has had to deal with 100 years of Palestinian terrorism.
I don't support terrorism at all and said I find that poll sad, though Palestinians according to that poll support peaceful activities much more then terrorism.
Support of terrorism at all is bad.

Palestinians also accuse Israel of terrorism, by the way.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...-terrorism-military-deal-160926074254028.html

And terrorism there happens on a nearly daily account.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779276
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779274
Plus the near daily state terrorism.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779251

Yet you support this terrorist activity through your support of the occupation.
 

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I don't support terrorism at all ....
Yet you keep making excuses for the 46% of Palestinians who support attacks on Israeli civilians. Obviously you think terrorism against Israelis is okay.

Not even a hint of criticism from you.
 

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The UN has reported that treatment of Palestinians you call 'Israeli Arabs' is part and parcel of the Apartheid practice.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/w...inian-people-apartheid-occupation-english.pdf....
Again, not the UN but rather a body withing the UN made of of massive human rights abusers who criticize Israel only to distract from how disgusting their governments are. That whole body is so racist against Israel that they refuse to allow Israel to be in the same UN regional group despite all the countries surrounding Israel being included.
 

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Palestinians also accuse Israel of terrorism, by the way....
It's funny when a government made of of one party that openly endorses terrorism and another party that pays salaries to convicted terrorists pretends someone else are really the terrorists.

In case you missed it, Canada considers Hamas and Fatah's armed wing to be terrorist organizations. Despite your pretense of disliking terrorism you don't criticize them for it nor do you criticize the 46% of Palestinians who support terrorism.
 

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Yet you keep making excuses for the 46% of Palestinians who support attacks on Israeli civilians. Obviously you think terrorism against Israelis is okay.

Not even a hint of criticism from you.
As I have said, I find that situation sad. The only good news is more Palestinians support peaceful means.
For you and fuji it is impossible to criticize Palestinians enough to satisfy you.

And where is your criticism of the examples of Israeli terrorism?
 

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Again, not the UN but rather a body withing the UN made of of massive human rights abusers who criticize Israel only to distract from how disgusting their governments are. That whole body is so racist against Israel that they refuse to allow Israel to be in the same UN regional group despite all the countries surrounding Israel being included.
The report was written by a Jewish international law expert and an American legal expert.
It was their report, based on their research. Are you really accusing Richard Falk of anti-semitism and Virginia Tilley of racism?

That is so sad.
Just stand up for human rights and work against racism for once.

Are you accusing
 

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In case you missed it, Canada considers Hamas and Fatah's armed wing to be terrorist organizations. Despite your pretense of disliking terrorism you don't criticize them for it nor do you criticize the 46% of Palestinians who support terrorism.
In case you missed it, 80% of Canadians now support BDS.
That is what we are talking about, not supporting either Israel's crooked leaders or Palestine's crooked leader.
 

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As I have said, I find that situation sad. The only good news is more Palestinians support peaceful means....
Sad? You think 46% of Palestinians supporting terrorism is sad? Fuck. I guess that's as close as you will ever come to criticizing their attitudes or those of their leadership.

And Israel does prosecute terrorists. The Palestinians idolize them.
 

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The report was written by a Jewish...
And once again you pull this racial shit that somehow his being Jewish means he is worth listening to while claiming to be anti-racist. At the same time you hypocritically ignore any Jew who disagrees with you.

Fact is that once again a group of massive rights abusers have tried to distract from their crimes by making shit up about Israel.
 

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In case you missed it, 80% of Canadians now support BDS.
That is what we are talking about, not supporting either Israel's crooked leaders or Palestine's crooked leader.
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First off, you are incorrect. The poll does not say Canadians support the BDS organization.

More importantly, it doesn't change the fact that Hamas and Fatah's armed wing are designated terrorist entities.
 

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And once again you pull this racial shit that somehow his being Jewish means he is worth listening to while claiming to be anti-racist. At the same time you hypocritically ignore any Jew who disagrees with you.

Fact is that once again a group of massive rights abusers have tried to distract from their crimes by making shit up about Israel.
You claimed that the report was from " body withing the UN made of of massive human rights abusers who criticize Israel only to distract from how disgusting their governments are."
I showed you that the report was not written by 'massive human rights abusers' and now you complain that noting that even Jewish people can criticize Israeli apartheid somehow makes it racist.

Fact is that Israel is apartheid and the ICC is now investigating those charges.
Yet you continue to support apartheid in the face of this knowledge and claim you support human rights and are against racism.
That is just as sad as Palestinian attitudes.
 
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