I'm wondering if the OHSA covers self-employed as pornstars likely would be. Even if they are covered, it's up to the worker to know and exercise their rights. I think that many workers out there have no idea about their rights let alone how to exercise them.
RIP August Ames
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I'm wondering if the OHSA covers self-employed as pornstars likely would be. Even if they are covered, it's up to the worker to know and exercise their rights. I think that many workers out there have no idea about their rights let alone how to exercise them.
This is likely closer to the truth. Most her life likely revolved around porn so when that was taken away, she may have felt that she had no future. It does not make sense to me that someone that lived off social media and saw other people being cyber-bullied would take her own life.
Tragic. The thing that strikes me are comments from people who knew her that they didn't realize that her depression was that bad. With social media, it's too easy to think that everybody is happy and everybody is having a great time all the time. So her real acquaintances didn't know and her superficial friends and followers and bandwagon jumpers could turn on her in a heartbeat all because of one tweet.
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Jovan Jordan black male porn star quit the industry because he said a white director called him the N-word that director still have his career.
Let's not make it political CM. The left and right both have biases.
The internet is a damned judgmental place, but so is the world at large. Famous people of all stripes get hammered hard, and not all people can handle that kind of response. She chose not to do a scene with a bi-sexual performer for safety reasons. For that alone she was labelled a homophobe. I hope all those who jumped on her feel real shitty about possibly contributing to her death.
So a young porn actress died. Forgive me for not shedding a tear but although I know of her, I didn't know her personally and I'm not going to miss her. I think the two bigger issues are
(1) did she die of something natural or was it something caused by her involvement in the industry (STD, suicide)? If it was the latter, that's not good. There's definitely a darker side to the industry
(2) her comments and practices. Does she have the right not to work with a performer? Yes. For any reason - yes. Was it necessary to publicize her reasoning? No. Is any backlash her fault - probably.
I believe medically speaking that men having sex with other men are more susceptible to STI transmission (I could be wrong but I believe there is a scientific reason). Simply put, if gay men have unprotected sex with a sick partner, the odds are higher they'll get sick. Doesn't mean for straight people the odds are significantly lower. And the porn industry involves many people having unprotected sex. So it's a matter of odds. This is however countered by stringent STI testing. So I don't really get her stance - her costars would have been tested and cleared. Maybe she assumed that the bisexual/gay stars were having unprotected sex after the testing but before shooting with her (the whole test timing thing has me wondering how safe it really is)? Either way, her straight co-stars could also have an STI too so it sounds like a double standard to me.
(1) did she die of something natural or was it something caused by her involvement in the industry (STD, suicide)? If it was the latter, that's not good. There's definitely a darker side to the industry
(2) her comments and practices. Does she have the right not to work with a performer? Yes. For any reason - yes. Was it necessary to publicize her reasoning? No. Is any backlash her fault - probably.
I believe medically speaking that men having sex with other men are more susceptible to STI transmission (I could be wrong but I believe there is a scientific reason). Simply put, if gay men have unprotected sex with a sick partner, the odds are higher they'll get sick. Doesn't mean for straight people the odds are significantly lower. And the porn industry involves many people having unprotected sex. So it's a matter of odds. This is however countered by stringent STI testing. So I don't really get her stance - her costars would have been tested and cleared. Maybe she assumed that the bisexual/gay stars were having unprotected sex after the testing but before shooting with her (the whole test timing thing has me wondering how safe it really is)? Either way, her straight co-stars could also have an STI too so it sounds like a double standard to me.
Actually, you did. But it's good to see you're backpedaling now and correcting your mistake. It takes a big person to admit when they're wrong.
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Her body, her choice, ok, I agree. But why did she feel the need to go on social media and say that gays, bis and crossovers are more at risk of HIV/STDs...? And back herself up by saying that she’s not the only actress to refuse shooting with gays, bis and crossovers, and that she doesn’t know what these actors do in their private life... Didn’t she know that there are many gay/bi men still in the closet? You just never know who you’re dealing with...
Of course her public comments were going to fire up on social media, offend a few and have people disagreeing out loud. I think she should have kept her thoughts and opinions to herself, and maybe try to contact that replacement girl privately to let her know about her worries. All she had to do is decline the role, which she did, but instead decided to also put her thoughts public.
It’s unfortunate she didn’t feel capable of fixing her wrong, and overcome this situation like a champ. Maybe she received some threats after this, maybe she was already fed up with other stuff. The whole situation escalated in less than 3days. Bullying is a real problem that can ruin lives for ever.
May she rest in peace."
Her body, her choice is referring to her choice not to perform with gays/bisexuals, not the suicide.
I also don't think her suicide has much to do with her tweet and the responses. Yes that could drive some over the edge but she was apparently depressed for some time. Perhaps it's the hair that broke the camel's back but not the big cause. However, she did choose to post so she's subject to the backlash.
How do you know she wasn't already taking flak and decided to get out ahead of the heat and attempt to justify herself?
Who's giving her flak? A producer, a director, an actor? Twitter is used to message fans and I'm sure most if not all fans didn't know anything until she decided to publicly present her opinion.
To me, it's weird calling someone a homophobe if they don't want to sleep with the person - somehow seems like a contradiction. Also a bit of a double standard as a performer who chooses not to do interracial scenes is never labeled a racist.
That is one of the worst ways to kill yourself, it's not quick, most people don't know that how to do it properly and it leads to a slow death of stragulation.
Learning this how she died was an extra blow.
Not saying that was the case, just saying it's highly plausible. Those working on the production would all know, and that would spread through word of mouth until it reached someone who really took issue with it. And far too easily these days people blast their issues on social media without thinking of the consequences. And yes, that goes for Mrs Ames as well.
This tragedy is ripping the porn industry in half.
Honestly the people who told her to kill herself, or threatened her and so on are assholes, but I don't like the idea that people can't offer criticism either, that has it's own issues.
This whole thing is a clusterfuck and all kinds of welling meaning people have been or will be hurt.
Some people in porn have said that those that criticized August Ames will not work again.
I also fear this will divide straight and gay actors against each other. This is the biggest disaster I've ever seen and it's going to spiral far more out of control.
I hope at least that there will be no more suicides, there has been too much of life already.
Honestly the people who told her to kill herself, or threatened her and so on are assholes, but I don't like the idea that people can't offer criticism either, that has it's own issues.
This whole thing is a clusterfuck and all kinds of welling meaning people have been or will be hurt.
Some people in porn have said that those that criticized August Ames will not work again.
I also fear this will divide straight and gay actors against each other. This is the biggest disaster I've ever seen and it's going to spiral far more out of control.
I hope at least that there will be no more suicides, there has been too much of life already.
I know we all like to be supportive of women, sex is not as taboo, we are open-minded, etc. But I still find it weird that we are talking about the PORN industry and a PORN actress like she was a major contributor to this world. I reserve my sympathy in these matters for young talent (and I mean music, acting, sports talent) that die early while they are in their prime. Maybe it's just how I think - I probably value and appreciate these other things more.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...-depression-struggles-death-article-1.3683371
Based on this article it looks like there was a lot more to her suicide than just the online bullying. She was alienated from her Father because he did not believe her when she claimed her Grandfather(his Dad) molested her. She was moved to a group home when she was 12 and her Mother was bipolar. Truly Sad.
Based on this article it looks like there was a lot more to her suicide than just the online bullying. She was alienated from her Father because he did not believe her when she claimed her Grandfather(his Dad) molested her. She was moved to a group home when she was 12 and her Mother was bipolar. Truly Sad.
I really liked August Ames. She was a breath of fresh air. For awhile she seemed to have brought a bit of normalcy back to porn. GND looks. Nothing over the top. She put out some great scenes that I have enjoyed.
So I guess I would call myself a fan, though a casual one I guess because I didnt obsess over her or anything.
She may not have made the best decision in saying what she said and I do think she back pedaled a bit ...
Depression...anxiety...panic...horrible things to live with. What may seem small and trivial to some are downright catastrophic to others. Does not discriminate by race...wealth...gender...sexuality. All are subject to it.
Poor girl. She had so much life ahead of her. Sadly, she is one of many many out there. She just happened to have somewhat of a celebrity status which is why we are all talking about it.
So I guess I would call myself a fan, though a casual one I guess because I didnt obsess over her or anything.
She may not have made the best decision in saying what she said and I do think she back pedaled a bit ...
Depression...anxiety...panic...horrible things to live with. What may seem small and trivial to some are downright catastrophic to others. Does not discriminate by race...wealth...gender...sexuality. All are subject to it.
Poor girl. She had so much life ahead of her. Sadly, she is one of many many out there. She just happened to have somewhat of a celebrity status which is why we are all talking about it.
This makes a lot more sense now. Not to minimize the hateful things that people said online, but it's too easy to jump on the band-wagon and say that nothing critical should ever be said online.
I agree, I don't like that there is no attempt separate those who'd merely criticized her logic from those who got really fucking nasty.
And people really need to stop throwing around the term victim blaming, because while the way she was treated online really was horrible and her death is really horrible, August Ames committed suicide, she wasn't murdered, she inflicted the physical violence on herself, hurting her loved ones in the process. So yes it partly is her fault, no one else killed August Ames. She should turned twitter off or liberally used the ignore button.
Look I cried when I found out August Ames died, and I cursed out her bullies and I do hold them partly responsible, but August Ames still had a lot to live for and she ultimately was the one who choose a horrible way to deal with this, so its not victim blaming to acknowledge some of the responsibility lay with the person who ultimately decided to commit suicide. August Ames had full agency and used it poorly.
I hate to say it, but your right, people say nasty shit to each other all the time on twitter and if doesn't lead to suicide.
I had no idea she had such massive mental health issues going on. August Ames dad was a bad father, who should be ashamed of himself.
She had multiple personalities, it makes me wonder who we we're dealing with at any given time?
She seemed like she had it together.
The mental health industry failed her, it needs to be changed, there needs to be non judgmental training in dealing with sex workers.
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