Reverie

Revealed: How the five wealthiest Gulf Nations have so far refused to take a refugee

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You are a kook.
I gave you links with references and quotes from reports from human rights organizations.

Those are legit.
What you claim is 'spam'.
You also claimed that Assad's slaughter in Syria should be blamed on climate change and not Assad's disgusting dictatorship.
 

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You also claimed that Assad's slaughter in Syria should be blamed on climate change and not Assad's disgusting dictatorship.
Assad has always been a brutal leader.
But the start of this civil war was based off of protests caused by climate change drought.
I also gave you serious studies and reports to back this claim up.

That's not a defence of Assad, that's a statement of fact.
 

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Assad has always been a brutal leader.
But the start of this civil war was based off of protests caused by climate change drought.
I also gave you serious studies and reports to back this claim up.

That's not a defence of Assad, that's a statement of fact.
The fact that you continue to downplay Assad's nastiness pretty much eliminates you from any discussion on morals.
 

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You are a kook.
I gave you links with references and quotes from reports from human rights organizations.

Those are legit.
What you claim is 'spam'.
Your link had nothing to do with Hamas firing rockets from hospitals, schools, hotels, and other civilian areas, a fact repeatedly documented by the media, and ADMITTED TO by Hamas.

You don't get to lie your way out of this, it is a fact. All you every do is lie and praise terrorists.

You are repulsive.
 

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Your link had nothing to do with Hamas firing rockets from hospitals, schools, hotels, and other civilian areas, a fact repeatedly documented by the media, and ADMITTED TO by Hamas.

You don't get to lie your way out of this, it is a fact. All you every do is lie and praise terrorists.

You are repulsive.
My links were to the only legit reports on the matter, which say that Hamas didn't use human shields, only Israel did.
Those are the facts.

You just keep lying and spamming us with your personal opinion to justify the use of human shields.
That is repulsive.
 

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My links were to the only legit reports on the matter, which say that Hamas didn't use human shields, only Israel did.
Those are the facts.

You just keep lying and spamming us with your personal opinion to justify the use of human shields.
That is repulsive.
Just because you make a statement,...does not make it fact,...quite the opposite,...considering the source.

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Just because you make a statement,...does not make it fact,...quite the opposite,...considering the source.

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Just to show that these are the findings of the only legit findings into the matter, and not 'my opinions', I'll 'spam and lie' for your benefit (as fuji likes to call quoting with references).


The only uses of human shields that have been found through investigations was Israel using Palestinian children as human shields.
Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

And again here:
This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.

In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

The Guardian reports:

These claims [that Hamas is using human shields] have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza …. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.

Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.

In fact, tens of thousands of people have fled their homes for what they hope is a safer place. UNRWA reports that more than 140,000 people have sought shelter in its properties; churches and mosques have been overwhelmed by displaced civilians; the grounds of the Shifa hospital in Gaza City have begun to resemble a makeshift refugee camp. These families are in fear of their lives, but they overwhelmingly cite Israeli bombing and shelling as the cause, rather than threats from Hamas.

Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.

The current war is not being fought on a conventional battlefield. Israel is pounding Gaza from the air, and its troops are increasingly fighting battles against a guerrilla army in densely populated urban areas – which constitute much of the Gaza Strip.

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Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...onism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html

Now being an Israeli hasbara right wing racist maniac, I expect you to accuse the HRW, the Washington Post, the Nation, me and everyone else on this board of 'spamming' and 'lying', since thats what you do with every post.

What I know you won't do is either call out Israel for really using human shields or show even the slightest remorse for the hundreds of children Israel bombed to death.
 

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Just to show that these are the findings of the only legit findings into the matter, and not 'my opinions', I'll 'spam and lie' for your benefit (as fuji likes to call quoting with references).


The only uses of human shields that have been found through investigations was Israel using Palestinian children as human shields.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

And again here:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...onism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html

Now being an Israeli hasbara right wing racist maniac, I expect you to accuse the HRW, the Washington Post, the Nation, me and everyone else on this board of 'spamming' and 'lying', since thats what you do with every post.

What I know you won't do is either call out Israel for really using human shields or show even the slightest remorse for the hundreds of children Israel bombed to death.
Did you even read your spamming links,...???

And once again,...consider the source,...!!!

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My links were to the only legit reports on the matter, which say that Hamas didn't use human shields, only Israel did.
Those are the facts.

You just keep lying and spamming us with your personal opinion to justify the use of human shields.
That is repulsive.
Now you are just lying. Calling the media not a legit source.

This is as pathetic as when you compared Hamas to Nelson Mandela, you are fucked in the head. You add absolutely nothing to this forum!

Hamas ADMITTED IT YOU IMBECILE.
 

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Now you are just lying. Calling the media not a legit source.
You are getting really unhinged.
Here are the links provided on those two previous links, showing Israel is the only side that has a policy of using human shields.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html
IDF Soldiers Convicted of Using 11-year-old as Human Shield in Gaza
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-11-year-old-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.316867
The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.
http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/lebanon0907.pdf
These claims [that Hamas is using human shields] have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza …. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tary-bases-guerrilla-war-civilians-israel-idf

Just as Goldstone found in 2009.
Goldstone documented nightmarish case of a Palestinian ‘human shield’ - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2010/01/golds...palestinian-human-shield#sthash.XuzOGZ9b.dpuf
And finally a post with video (as you prefer) of Israeli forces using human shields.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/09/goldstone-commission-on-human-shields.html


You are the one here supporting the use of human shields, you are repulsive.
 

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You are getting really unhinged.
Here are the links provided on those two previous links, showing Israel is the only side that has a policy of using human shields.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html


http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/lebanon0907.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tary-bases-guerrilla-war-civilians-israel-idf

Just as Goldstone found in 2009.


And finally a post with video (as you prefer) of Israeli forces using human shields.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/09/goldstone-commission-on-human-shields.html


You are the one here supporting the use of human shields, you are repulsive.
Nice try changing the topic, ass. We were talking about civilian deaths in Gaza and how Hamas is to blame because of their INDISPUTABLE use of human shields there. Indisputable because Hamas admitted to it, but even if they hadn't we have proof from a half dozen different journalists, including video of it.

You really do just run from lie to lie. You know you can't deny that Hamas used human shields (you tried but hey we have proof) so now you want to talk about something else.

Just like after spamming is for months with your bullshit lie that the UN called Israel apartheid you no longer want to talk about that either, since we have indisputable proof that the rapporteurs don't even speak for the UN

Keep running.
 

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What about Palestinians living in Syria who were displaced by war? Where should they go?
Same places all the other Syrian refugees go. Why should these Syrians being ethnically Palestinian matter? Do you think Syrians who are ethnically Alawite or Kurd should get different treatment?
 

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Nope. They aren't Syrian citizens. And it makes more sense that Israel help to settle ,why Germany or Sweden?
They were born in Syria. They are Syrians. Syria is a fucked up place that attacks lots of its own citizens and clearly abused its native born Palestinians, but as outsiders considering the refugees from there we shouldn't perpetuate that atrocity.

A refugee from Syria is a refugee from Syria, particularly if the government of Syria discriminated against them so heavily that they weren't even given Syrian ID cards.

And no it makes no sense to try and use the Syrian conflict as an excuse to destroy Israel. Arab immigration to Israel is ab existential threat to the survival of Israel.
 

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What about Palestinians living in Syria who were displaced by war? Where should they go?
Generations born in Syria sure should be treated like every other Syrians. Of course the Arab neigbours including Jordan have had their army turning them back at the border.
 

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Nope. They aren't Syrian citizens. And it makes more sense that Israel help to settle ,why Germany or Sweden?
That is yet another criticism of Assad (Jr and Sr) that generations born in Syria have been systematically denied rights.

And if those people want to be Israeli and accept Israeli law then the argument might have merit but to date the Palestinian leadership (and the Syrian leadership) have said no.
 

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There are only two countries in the world that give automatic citizenship by birth: Canada and the US. Most of the countries in the world don't grant citizenship by birth
That is a good reason to criticize Syria but you don't seem interested in doing that.
 

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There are only two countries in the world that give automatic citizenship by birth: Canada and the US. Most of the countries in the world don't grant citizenship by birth
Now you are justifying Syria's oppression of Palestinians?

You have received a grade of F minus in Morality 101.
 
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