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That's kind of a blanket statement, don't you think?
Nope, it is a true statement. Jews have been ethnically cleansed from every Arab country. Israel needs a Jewish majority in order to ensure its survival.

Syrians are indeed a diverse group, as are Egyptians, Palestinians, Jordanians, and Lebanese, but ALL those nations not only ethnically cleansed themselves of Jews, they repeatedly went to war to ethnically cleanse Israel too.

The point here is not about the opinions or behaviors of individual people, but the macro policies adopted in aggregate politics by every single Arab regime.

Note that not every Arab has to agree with ethnic cleansing, it is enough that they don't actively oppose it, and it becomes national policy

You should perhaps review the origins of the 47 civil war to see how it happens.

In any case Israel has a reasonable, existential, imperative based on its own survival for rejecting any immigration that would increase the risk of a long term Arab majority forming in the country.

To argue against this fact is to argue against the last eighth years of history, including recent history.
 

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Considering the anti-West sentiment in much of the Muslim world, I'm not sure why you think Canada is a great place for them....
Pretty amazing that you can say an anti west sentiment in the Muslim world is a reason to exclude them from Canada, and in the SAME POST suggest that Israel should take some.

Which do you think is the stronger sentiment in the Arab world, anti Canadian or antisemitism? Which country do you think faces a greater threat from Arab terrorism, Canada? Or Israel?

Hard to imagine you tongue wasn't in your cheek somewhere here..
 

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Of course you think that using children as human shields is a praise worthy and legitimate military practice, which is why you praised Hamas and compared them to Nelson Mandela. Because you believe launching rockets from a school is just like Mandela's non violent method.

The rest of us think you are sick in the head, and blame Hamas for deaths resulting from their use of human shields around their rocket launchers.
Nonsense.
The only uses of human shields that have been found through investigations was Israel using Palestinian children as human shields.
Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

And again here:
This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.

In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

The Guardian reports:

These claims [that Hamas is using human shields] have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza …. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.

Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.

In fact, tens of thousands of people have fled their homes for what they hope is a safer place. UNRWA reports that more than 140,000 people have sought shelter in its properties; churches and mosques have been overwhelmed by displaced civilians; the grounds of the Shifa hospital in Gaza City have begun to resemble a makeshift refugee camp. These families are in fear of their lives, but they overwhelmingly cite Israeli bombing and shelling as the cause, rather than threats from Hamas.

Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.

The current war is not being fought on a conventional battlefield. Israel is pounding Gaza from the air, and its troops are increasingly fighting battles against a guerrilla army in densely populated urban areas – which constitute much of the Gaza Strip.

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Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...onism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html

Now being an Israeli hasbara right wing racist maniac, I expect you to accuse the HRW, the Washington Post, the Nation, me and everyone else on this board of 'spamming' and 'lying', since thats what you do with every post.

What I know you won't do is either call out Israel for really using human shields or show even the slightest remorse for the hundreds of children Israel bombed to death.
 

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why should they shoulder a burden that was caused by the west?
Idiotic statement of the week, you've outdone yourself yet again. Congratulations.
 

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So you support creating a racist state in order to pool all the people of one race into one, walled in state?
As long as their neighbours stated goal is their destruction I don't see an issue with it.

How about opening diplomatic relations and dropping the whole drive them into the sea thing. That might help.
 

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Pretty amazing that you can say an anti west sentiment in the Muslim world is a reason to exclude them from Canada, and in the SAME POST suggest that Israel should take some.

Which do you think is the stronger sentiment in the Arab world, anti Canadian or antisemitism? Which country do you think faces a greater threat from Arab terrorism, Canada? Or Israel?

Hard to imagine you tongue wasn't in your cheek somewhere here..
Well, I wasn't actually the one saying Israel should take them in, that was another poster. I agree with you that Israel would be a bad choice. I just disagree that Canada is a great choice. Sure, Canada is a better choice, but we're still talking the difference between disastrous and terrible.
 

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What is the demographics of these Gulf states? Are the aging? Are they depopulating? Fuji claims that Canada is aging and depopulating if we don't have a massive influx of immigrants. BTW: "Racist" and "bigoted" me would love to have more Chinese, Korean, Filipino, Portuguese, Korean and E.I. immigrants to replenish our population.
 

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Nonsense.....
As I said to notty, 2,000 dead in Gaza and you post thousands of times criticizing Israel and whitewashing Hamas.

250,000 dead Syrians, 10 million refugees and displaced people and you reaction is to blame global warming.

Nonsense pretty much sums things up.
 

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That's kind of a blanket statement, don't you think? T....
As I said, the fact that Syria has been at war with Israel since 1948 when Syria forces invaded is the only relevant reason.

Of course the topic at hand is the Gulf states no matter how much frank tries to make it an excuse to blame Israel.
 

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As long as their neighbours stated goal is their destruction I don't see an issue with it.

How about opening diplomatic relations and dropping the whole drive them into the sea thing. That might help.
That would be a good start.
Israel should stop trying to drive Palestinians into the sea and open up for peace talks.
I agree.
 

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As I said to notty, 2,000 dead in Gaza and you post thousands of times criticizing Israel and whitewashing Hamas.

250,000 dead Syrians, 10 million refugees and displaced people and you reaction is to blame global warming.

Nonsense pretty much sums things up.
And I gave you articles and studies backing it up.
What's happened since the start has been horrible, civilians screwed over with no side we should support.
But blame the start on climate change/drought, not Assad.

This is probably only the first of strife caused or made worse by climate change. We can and should find ways for all nations to help out as much as possible, including Canada and Israel as well as the gulf states.
 

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But blame the start on climate change/drought, not Assad.
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Fucking pathetic. 45 years of brutal dictatorship by Assad Sr. and Jr. Quarter of a million dead, many in indiscriminate bombing of cities by Assad's forces. 10+ million refugees and you can't bring yourself to voice concern.

Sure as hell shows that you care little for humanity or suffering of Arabs unless you can blame your favourite scapegoat.
 

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Nonsense.
The only uses of human shields that have been found through investigations was Israel using Palestinian children as human shields.
Hamas was video taped by reporters firing their rockets from hospitals and hotels. There were many reports in the media confirming this. Hamas themselves then admitted it.

You just fucking lie about everything, just like you lied and said rapporteurs speak for the UN. You spammed that repeatedly even after being shown proof that are independent, proving that you are a blatant liar.

And here you are telling another lie you previously were clearly refuted on.

All you do is lie.

Coming from the guy who praised Hamas and compared them to Nelson Mandela, no one should be surprised by the constant lying. You have no morals and you support terrorism.
 

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And I gave you articles and studies backing it up.
What's happened since the start has been horrible, civilians screwed over with no side we should support.
But blame the start on climate change/drought, not Assad.

This is probably only the first of strife caused or made worse by climate change. We can and should find ways for all nations to help out as much as possible, including Canada and Israel as well as the gulf states.
Climate change didn't bomb entire towns killing everybody. Assad did that. Then Hezbollah moved in and helped, now Iran. A trifecta of evil. And you think we should love them and praise then as new Nelson Mandelas and think of them as Western allies because in addition to butchering their own people they also fight against another bunch of evil shits, ISIS.
 

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Hamas was video taped by reporters firing their rockets from hospitals and hotels. There were many reports in the media confirming this. Hamas themselves then admitted it.
The only legit studies show that Israel is the only side that makes a policy of using human shields.
Why do you refuse to denounce this?

The only uses of human shields that have been found through investigations was Israel using Palestinian children as human shields.
Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

And again here:
This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.

In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

The Guardian reports:

These claims [that Hamas is using human shields] have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza …. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.

Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.

In fact, tens of thousands of people have fled their homes for what they hope is a safer place. UNRWA reports that more than 140,000 people have sought shelter in its properties; churches and mosques have been overwhelmed by displaced civilians; the grounds of the Shifa hospital in Gaza City have begun to resemble a makeshift refugee camp. These families are in fear of their lives, but they overwhelmingly cite Israeli bombing and shelling as the cause, rather than threats from Hamas.

Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.

The current war is not being fought on a conventional battlefield. Israel is pounding Gaza from the air, and its troops are increasingly fighting battles against a guerrilla army in densely populated urban areas – which constitute much of the Gaza Strip.

***

Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...onism-uses-jews-everywhere-human-shields.html
 

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There you go again, spamming lies. You were shown video of Hamas doing it AND HAMAS ADMITTED IT.

You are pathetic, all you do is lie and spam.
 
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