Revealed: How the five wealthiest Gulf Nations have so far refused to take a refugee

[fuji]

Sounds good, then Israel has the responsibility to respect stateliness convention and give them Israeli citizenship if it doesn't have the intention of allowing them to have a state ( Netanyahu confirmed the latter)

Israel has every intention of allowing a state. Even Netanyahu supports that, the UN has recognized it.

The Palestinians are currently blocking the creation of a Palestinian state by refusing to disarm the terrorists and avoiding the peace negotiations.

Once the Palestinians disarm Hamas a deal should be easy to negotiate. Most of the rest of the details have been agreed in previous rounds, everybody knows in broad terms what the deal looks like.

 

[fuji]

We were talking about the use of human shields and how the only studies on the matter show that only Israel uses human shields.
Only Israel uses human shields.

We were talking about who is responsible for the deaths of civilians in Gaza and concluded that Hamas was, because they used those civilians as human shields while Israel tried it's best to minimize civilian casualties.

You were the one who tried to turn the discussion to other situations because you don't like that you lost this argument.

Because Israel refuses to allow Palestinians to build, blocking almost all building permits under Israeli occupation.
And Israel instead plans on tearing down 13,000 more Palestinian homes.

In Area C where the Palestinians are only trying to build in order to occupy strategic areas. Not in Area A.

Right, so why won't Israel let either Palestinian or Syrian refugees into the West Bank, at the very least?
Why won't Israel allow that charity to happen?

Because Israel's survival depends on maintaining a clear Jewish majority state. History proves that every Arab majority state has engaged in ethnic cleansing. This is also why there will be no right of return for the descendents of refugees.

Of course your hope that Israel can one day be destroyed is EXACTLY why you support these things. You, GoWest, etc, are very aware of why it is a security issue. And you wish to reduce Israel's security.

Its the occupation.

Israel is worried about demographics, already Palestinians outnumber Jews in Eretz Israel (Israel and the occupied territories), so Israel has a policy whereby anybody who can claim any relationship to Judaism or Jewish blood can come for free, while Israel also refuses to allow the 4.5 million Palestinian refugees who were ethnically cleansed over the years and who still live mostly in refugee camps neighbouring Israel (including Syria) to return to their ancestral homes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee

However, inside the wall there is no risk to Israel's demographic security.

(And see you KNOW what the threat of. Which is why you advocate for it.)

 

[fuji]

But Fuji and basketcase said that vwest bank isn't part of Israel, so why would the care if the settle in a foreign state? Are you saying that Israel intends to keep the west bank as part of Israel and that's why it tries to keep the demographics of Arabs low

I didn't hear of any refugees that wanted to go to the west bank, you asked about Israel. I agree that the west bank is a whole different topic. Are you saying there are hordes of refugees hoping to go to the west bank? Or Gaza?

Isn't it already pretty crowded?

 

[fuji]

So basically if a group of thugs come up to you and takes your stuff and you are too weak to defend yourself then you deserve to have your stuff taken?

Fortunately Haganah and later IDF were strong enough to fend the thugs off.

 

[Frankfooter]

I didn't hear of any refugees that wanted to go to the west bank, you asked about Israel. I agree that the west bank is a whole different topic. Are you saying there are hordes of refugees hoping to go to the west bank? Or Gaza?

Isn't it already pretty crowded?

There are 4.5 million Palestinian refugees waiting for their UN mandated return to Israel/Palestine.

 

[Butler1000]

So basically if a group of thugs come up to you and takes your stuff and you are too weak to defend yourself then you deserve to have your stuff taken?

In this case it was the group of thugs who got their asses kicked and now instead of moving on are stuck in the past.

My sympathy for the street Arabs in the camps has waned as the leadership continues to be tolerated. You would think after 60 years they would have figured out there is no going back. Maybe you think it was isn't fair but life is like that.

 

[Butler1000]

There are 4.5 million Palestinian refugees waiting for their UN mandated return to Israel/Palestine.

And so will their children, and grandchildren...etc etc.

Because it isn't going to happen. And how dumb are they to think it will.

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't think it's that crowded because it's already have a room for new Jewish settlers coming there every year

Must just be a racist state.

 

[jcpro]

I used to have sympathy for the Palestinian Arabs and then I became a teenager and started thinking for myself. The fact is, even their Arab "brothers" want nothing to do with them. Every place they ever settled turned to crap and, eventually, they had to be ejected(Lebanon, Jordan, the Gulf States). Above all, they're the enemies of ours and our values. And what really takes the cake, are all the half witted Palestinian defenders who, somehow, manage to turn almost any subject into the Palestinian one. Like this one and so many others, before. Back to the topic?

 

[basketcase]

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So the ones who were deported 60 years ago should have more right to return the ones 2000 years ago ,that makes more sense

Very, very few were deported. Most left out of fear and that fear was spread by Arab and Jewish leaders.

Many of my ancestors had their land ACTUALLY stolen by the English landowners and ACTUALLY forced off their land by English soldiers. Do I have a 'right of return' to Ireland and compensation for my family land?


And last I checked, a country has the right to determine immigration policy.

 

[basketcase]

Sounds good, then Israel has the responsibility to respect stateliness convention and give them Israeli citizenship ...

Interesting. Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and a half dozen Arab states where those people currently live have no obligation to give citizenship but Israel does despite Palestinian objections to Israel existing. Yep, no double standard there.

And as I said, since neither the Palestinians or their leaders want to be Israeli, on what moral ground do you think they should be forced to be?

 

[basketcase]

Oh, that explains it.
Its a racist state.

And you think all of the Muslim states and Christian states are racist too?

 

[basketcase]

There are 4.5 million Palestinian refugees waiting for their UN mandated return to Israel/Palestine.

Actually not. They are awaiting for a peace treaty and "For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;"

 

[basketcase]

Sounds good. Syria is no longer a place where they can live and achieve a just a just settlement of the refugee problem. Where should they go?Most of them already left Syria

Their leaders should accept the offer of talks Netanyahu put out, agree to a peace deal, and disarm all militant factions opposed to Israel existing. Then the Palestinians can chose the options laid out in the 2000 talks and Clinton parameters of staying in the country of their birth, immigration to a third party state, or moving to Palestine with compensation to all of them..

Olmert made an offer that was completely in line with the Arab League plan. Abbas walked away without comment.

 

[fuji]

There are 4.5 million Palestinian refugees waiting for their UN mandated return to Israel/Palestine.

More blatant lying. The number who were both in Israel is dwindling and nowhere, NOWHERE, is there any mandate or requirement for Israel to resettle their descendants.

UNRWA considers the descendants eligible for welfare but that rule applies only to UNRWA and in no way entities those people to Israeli citizenship.

Just stop lying.

 

[fuji]

Sounds good. Syria is no longer a place where they can live and achieve a just a just settlement of the refugee problem. Where should they go?Most of them already left Syria

Same places the other refugees are going. We are back to why you think Palestinians should be treated worse than other Syrian refugees.

 

[SkyRider]

And last I checked, a country has the right to determine immigration policy.

This is true for other countries but the activists in Canada say we should open our door to everybody and anybody who shows up on our doorstep.

 

[fuji]

So why do you expect countries like Germany and Sweden to solve a refugee problem created by Israel?

There couldn't be a clearer example of your "blame Israel" mentality. Thr war that resulted in those Palestinian refugees was started by Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan. Lebanon, etc, yet you don't think they have any responsibility. Israel has already taken in HALF the refugees from that conflict yet you think it should take the other half too . In your mind the aggressors that started that war have no responsibility, only their victim, Israel, is to blame?

The problem wasn't created by Israel. The problem was created by Arab countries invading Israel. The problem was then compounded by Arab countries refusing to uphold their convention obligation to try and integrate refugees. And Israel had nothing to do with the current problem which resulted from Assad murdering his own people.

In any case Arab migration into Israel would create the risk of a future ethnic cleansing and genocide, creating an even bigger problem than what we have today, so it is totally off the table.

Why aren't Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, etc, taking refugees, given that they caused all the problems?

 

[Frankfooter]

There couldn't be a clearer example of your "blame Israel" mentality. Thr war that resulted in those Palestinian refugees was started by Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan. Lebanon, etc, yet you don't think they have any responsibility. Israel has already taken in HALF the refugees from that conflict yet you think it should take the other half too . In your mind the aggressors that started that war have no responsibility, only their victim, Israel, is to blame?

The problem wasn't created by Israel.

Sure they did.
Israel tried to ethnically cleanse Palestine to take it over.
Just as they are trying to do now slowly through settlements.

 

[fuji]

Sure they did.
Israel tried to ethnically cleanse Palestine to take it over.
Just as they are trying to do now slowly through settlements.

Nope. But Arab countries did pledge to ethnically cleanse Jews, then carried out that pledge in every area they captured. For example, gleefully bragging that they had ethnically cleansed every Jew from the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem and showing off to journalists that historically important synagogues had been converted to pig stys.

Neither you nor GoWest had any reply to the facts:

1. The Palestinian refugees were created by a war the Arab nations started

2. Israel has already taken in and integrated half the refugees from that war

The Arab aggressors who started the war need to own up to their responsibility for the other half.