Revealed: How the five wealthiest Gulf Nations have so far refused to take a refugee

[fuji]

Both sides are to blame.


But what else would I expect from you, there isn't a single act of depravity committed by Israel that you don't support.

Like shelling kids on a beach in Gaza.
You still back that one, right?

Nope. You can keep saying that until you are blue in the face and it still won't be true.

It is an indisputable fact that the Jews accepted the partition plan.

It is an indisputable fact that the Arabs rejected it.

It is an indisputable fact that the Arabs started the civil war, attacking the day after the UN vote to create Israel.

It is an indisputable fact that without any provocation the Arab nations invaded when the Palestinian side lost the civil war.

The whole conflict could have been avoided if the Arabs had simply accepted the UN partition plan.

You are just doing you stupid clown dance now, denying indisputable facts, just like you stupidly lied and said the UN called Israel apartheid even after you were shown proof that the rapporteurs do not speak for the UN.

All you do is lie and ignore facts in order to get your hate on.

 

[Butler1000]

They also announced that they didn't accept the partition plan borders and felt that they were free to take as much land as they could take.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

That's not accepting the UN plan, the UN plan had specific borders.

That's called winning a war started by the other guy. And yes when you start a wa and lose miserably, then start a few more and continue to lose miserably, you will tend to lose ground.

Lord know if they wanted to the Israeli could have kept a lot more. Instead they used it to achieve peace by forcing Nations to the table when they lost.

That's what Nations do in wars. They negotiate peace and but the borders back.

But the Pali's are sore losers and pretty dumb to trust the other Arab nations have their best interests a heart. They are being used as propaganda and nothing more. Oh and occasion front line fodder.

 

[Frankfooter]

Nope. You can keep saying that until you are blue in the face and it still won't be true.

It is an indisputable fact that the Jews accepted the partition plan.

It is an indisputable fact that the Arabs rejected it.

Not too surprising, is it?

The country was called Palestine before the UN decided to give half of it away to make amends for European issues.
Previously it was a fairly diverse country, partition, and the continual attempts to divide the country by race have only lead to more wars.

Time to fix the problem and enact the one state solution.
As you noted, the two state solution is dead.

 

[basketcase]

They also announced that they didn't accept the partition plan borders and felt that they were free to take as much land as they could take.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

That's not accepting the UN plan, the UN plan had specific borders.

Amazing that you can read a quote that starts with the plain English statement of " "We accepted the UN Resolution, but the Arabs did not." and then claim Israel rejected the Partition.

 

[basketcase]

Both sides are to blame.
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Yet you only blame one side.


Since this thread is about Arab states refusing Arab refugees, you could start there.

 

[basketcase]

That was a genius British idea to divide their former colonies by ethnicity/ faith in India and Palestine. It created more sources of conflicts in South Asia and middle East rather than solving problems

Actually the idea was used pretty universally in the 20th century when trying to RESOLVE ethnic conflicts. All of those ethnic conflicts long preceded any divisions.

 

[fuji]

Not too surprising, is it?

The country was called Palestine before the UN decided to give half of it away to make amends for European issues.
Previously it was a fairly diverse country, partition, and the continual attempts to divide the country by race have only lead to more wars.

Time to fix the problem and enact the one state solution.
As you noted, the two state solution is dead.

Right here you expose what you really are.

Disgusting.

Let's look closely at what you have said:

You admit the Arabs started the war but say it is "not too surprising" and go on to claim Israel has no right to exist. You think Israel's existence is a "problem" and say "time to fix the problem" by annihilating it with an Arab majority state.

You think the Arab war of aggression to destroy Israel was justified and you want to finish the job!

And you base this on a slew of total lies. Here are some facts:

1. You claim there was previously a country called Palestine. There was never a country called Palestine, that is a blatant lie. There an Ottoman province with its capital in Damascus that was split into Syria, Jordan, Israel, and Palestine.

2. You LIED and said the British have half it away. The partition of the remaining British mandate created two states with land areas proportional to their populations. Everybody got an equal share of land, by population. Nobody was given land they weren't entitled to.

And then you end with a blatant lie, wholesale made up by you, that I claimed the two state solution is dead, when in fact I support the two state solution.

 

[SkyRider]

Actually the idea was used pretty universally in the 20th century when trying to RESOLVE ethnic conflicts. All of those ethnic conflicts long preceded any divisions.

Singapore is the shining example. The wise Singapore Chinese said we must not be a minority in a Muslim dominated Malaysia. The wise Brits agreed.

 

[basketcase]

Great. So would you support creating a Chinese state in BC and kick out non Chinese to other provinces like what happened in India/Pakistan and Palestine ?

Your examples are pretty idiotic.

Palestine had a significant Jewish population under the Ottomans. Without Ottoman over-lordship, various Arab leaders objected to the concept of Jews having rights in 'Muslim' lands and started campaigns convincing the poor that had been screwed by those same Arab leaders that the Jews were to blame. 30 years of ethnic violence followed, often directed at the ancient non-zionist Jewish communities. And plans to partition Mandate Palestine were already discussed at high levels before WWII (but once again the Arab leaders outright refused).

Jews were already there. The conflict was already there. Arab leaders didn't want to live alongside Jews and Jews were fearful of living under Muslim rule so the sensible plan was to partition. Same thing happened with Greece and Turkey. Same thing happened in much of central Europe. Only difference here is that after the initial conflict, most of those other groups decided to move on and make the most of it.


And next thing you are going to say that solving the post-Yugoslav ethnic conflict by creating Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, etc. was a stupid idea.

 

[basketcase]

p.s. In 1920, before the British Mandate, the Palestinian leaders including future Nazi collaborator Amin al-Husayni used a festival to incite Arabs to violence against Jews claiming Jews were trying to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. The result, Arabs ransacking the ancient Jewish community in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem.

Fast forward almost 100 years. Arab leaders claim Israel is trying to destroy Al Aqsa further heightening the violence including pipe bombs, molotovs, and stone throwing that has already claimed the life of one Israeli as he drove his car home, other rock attacks damaged a public transit buses and light rail, and another bus set on fire.

Unfortunately some things haven't changed.

 

[fuji]

Great. So would you support creating a Chinese state in BC and kick out non Chinese to other provinces like what happened in India/Pakistan and Palestine ?

Nobody was kicked out of Israel by the partition plan. But keep lying, it ensures everybody reading knows the Palestinian cause is based on bullshit and lies.

 

[basketcase]

Great. So would you support creating a Chinese state in BC and kick out non Chinese to other provinces like what happened in India/Pakistan and Palestine ?

p.p.s. India has a significant Muslim minority. Israel has a significant Muslim minority. Pakistan and the Arab states are the ones who have driven almost all Hindus and Jews out.

 

[SkyRider]

Great. So would you support creating a Chinese state in BC and kick out non Chinese to other provinces like what happened in India/Pakistan and Palestine ?

Leave the Chinese alone. They are not troublemakers like some ethnic groups. On the other hand if a majority of Quebecers vote in a fair referendum to secede, I would say let them go in peace. Same if Scotland wants to secede. Same if Northern Ireland wants to reunite with Ireland. Czechoslavakia(sp) had a peaceful split not that long ago.

 

[SkyRider]

now all those states want to come back together as part of European Union because they didn't get any benefits from this partition.

I think it would be strictly an economic and not a political union. Quebec was also proposing an economic union if they had separated. I think Scotland also proposed an economic union if they had separated. I also think that Northern Ireland, Scotland and Quebec said they would respect minority rights.

 

[fuji]

The difference is that Quebec and Scottish separatists didn't have a plan to create a racist state for a specific ethnicity/ faith like Pakistan and Israel.

Oh please, stop with the hate lies. Israel extends full democratic rights to all its citizens, it is not a racist state no matter how much hate you spew.

Quebec infringes rights of minorities to preserve its ethnic culture but that is fine by you. Israel does not infringe the rights of any of its citizens and you call it racist.

Your mentality is clear. What you are is clear.

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh please, stop with the hate lies. Israel extends full democratic rights to all its citizens, it is not a racist state no matter how much hate you spew.

No, they don't allow the same marriage rules or immigration rules with families.

The bigger question is how does Israel decide who can be a citizen.

 

[basketcase]

Indeed it was a stupid Idea, now all those states want to come back together as part of European Union because they didn't get any benefits from this partition.
Also you were wrong the conflict was a result of the collapse of former Yugoslavia ,the collapse wasn't a result of the conflict because it preceded the conflict

Actually they gained the great benefit of not having to worry about their neighbours marching in and killing them which was going on regularly. And no, they are not looking for reunification but rather being a part of a larger body that would keep their borders secure.

p.s. The conflict between Bosnians, Serbs, and Croats did not start when Yugoslavia collapsed. It started almost 1000 years earlier.

 

[basketcase]

And groggy's banned again?

 

[fuji]

No, they don't allow the same marriage rules or immigration rules with families.

The bigger question is how does Israel decide who can be a citizen.

Immigration rules apply to non citizens, liar. As for marriage, the rules are set by the religious authorities. Absolutely nothing stops the Muslim authorities from marrying anyone that want, it isn't a government policy.

Israel provides the same full rights to all its citizens.

 

[SkyRider]

p.p.s. India has a significant Muslim minority. Israel has a significant Muslim minority. Pakistan and the Arab states are the ones who have driven almost all Hindus and Jews out.

Muslim countries (with the possible exception of Malaysia) have virtually no non-Muslim minorities. So much for diversity, eh.