Remembering 9/11

[huckfinn]

They went into Iraq and Iran and murdered hundreds of thousands in the name of the "war on terror", many of those who were children and babies - these are the guys we are talking about. Bar minimum, they knew about 911 before it happened and did nothing about it. There are so many whistleblowers, some have been killed, John O'Neil & others. Edward Snowden is a perfect example of what happens to whistleblowers. Listen, you can continue to believe it was terrorists and I will continue to question that.

...and btw, that famous video shot of the ball of flame hitting the pentacon, I've seen a different angle, one from the concrete post in front of the post that had the camera, there were other cameras there. They confiscated the security cameras from neighbouring businesses, which they had to fight in court to get back. You comment is based on ignorance, sorry to say

As I posted earlier, they would confiscate them to keep the terrorists from getting them......let me see, learn from the videos to see what's working for future attacks, propaganda?

As you mentioned, they killed hundreds of thousands, why not this guy or a few 'whistleblowers'? What is the difference. Would be much easier and cleaner, and they obviously have no qualms about killing people.

It is a known fact they knew there was a planned attack. They had no idea when, where, how, how big, or who.

So, it is fair to say your comment is based on taking a truth (see statement above about where, when, etc.) and stretch it to sound like more than it is.

You should look up "conjecture".

And, no-one has answered the question of what they did with the original airplane and all the passengers if they struck with a missile instead of an airplane. Also, where was the missile launched from?

 

[SuperCharge]

As I posted earlier, they would confiscate them to keep the terrorists from getting them......let me see, learn from the videos to see what's working for future attacks, propaganda?

There is nothing to hide accept their lies. The video is out there, let us see a clear picture of the plane. Here is the shot from the video camera without the column in the way, still can't see shit!

And, no-one has answered the question of what they did with the original airplane and all the passengers if they struck with a missile instead of an airplane. Also, where was the missile launched from?

Nobody has answered because we don't know. The last phone call from CeeCee Lyles on flight 93 to her husband leaves much to question. Her last comment was "it's a frame"
http://youtu.be/fUrxsrTKHN4

 

[huckfinn]

Nobody has answered because we don't know. The last phone call from CeeCee Lyles on flight 93 to her husband leaves much to question. Her last comment was "it's a frame"

That could mean anything! Someone could have showed her something, like a frame.

Let's assume she meant that. In all the chaos, hijacked flight, people panicking, screaming, crying, calling loved ones, etc., how would they ever know or even care at that point.

I looked at the video a number of times. Its such a blur, you can't tell if its a car, missile, airplane or a space shuttle. So, I'm not sure you can't definitively say what it is......

In addition, back to the '"where did they hide the airplane and all the passengers?", your answer that 'nobody knows' is just as evasive as saying what was in the video. If you make that statement, its important to fill in the huge gaps, like where is the airplane and 100's of passengers that want to get home.

BTW, its convenient that after the crash, no-one was able to make a cell phone call. Great timing.

 

[SuperCharge]

That could mean anything! Someone could have showed her something, like a frame.

These people were scared for their lives but someone decided to pull out a frame, just because lol. Just wow

Let's assume she meant that. In all the chaos, hijacked flight, people panicking, screaming, crying, calling loved ones, etc., how would they ever know or even care at that point.

Those were her last words to her husband , she chose them carefully and told him to listen carefully. What would you say in that situation?

I looked at the video a number of times. Its such a blur, you can't tell if its a car, missile, airplane or a space shuttle. So, I'm not sure you can't definitively say what it is......

I would think a 757 would be quite noticeable.

Good news - Congress votes to over-ride Obama's veto on 911 victims bill

 

[GPIDEAL]

I'm asking you the question, If you were told many firefighters and war vets spoke about numerous explosions that day, would that warrant some credibility to you, in your opinion or not really?

So what? Sound bites taken out of context. Show me one fire chief who believes that what he saw AND heard was evidence of controlled demolitions?

We hear explosions when each floor pancaked under the extreme compressive strength of air being pushed down floor by floor to blast out the windows, BUT we do not see flashes of light like we do in true controlled demolitions.

Also, in a controlled demolition, the explosions on multiple floors almost happen simultaneously, not as each floor descends or collapses. Those explosions take place BEFORE the collapse of a building, concomitant with flashes of light in most cases.

 

[GPIDEAL]

They went into Iraq and Iran and murdered hundreds of thousands in the name of the "war on terror", many of those who were children and babies - these are the guys we are talking about. Bar minimum, they knew about 911 before it happened and did nothing about it. There are so many whistleblowers, some have been killed, John O'Neil & others. Edward Snowden is a perfect example of what happens to whistleblowers. Listen, you can continue to believe it was terrorists and I will continue to question that.

...and btw, that famous video shot of the ball of flame hitting the pentacon, I've seen a different angle, one from the concrete post in front of the post that had the camera, there were other cameras there. They confiscated the security cameras from neighbouring businesses, which they had to fight in court to get back. You comment is based on ignorance, sorry to say

Indeed the war on terror in Iraq was a lie reinforced by the terrorist attack on NYC, but I see no evidence that the buildings went down as a result of a U.S. led conspiracy which entailed controlled demolitions.

Maybe there was some foreknowledge about an attack which would be used as an excuse for an invasion to secure oil interests, but that's it.

 

[GPIDEAL]

A) Yes however following the alternative - would you please explain the street light damage, where the missile came from, where the f!ck is Flight 77, the crew and why not one bolt has turned up; who did it and why ? Why the missile and not the plane ??? It's hard to offer some vague alternative concept leaving out the most important details.
B) The aluminium hollow tube (i.e. the plane) hit a reinforced concrete structure at over 500 mph - it virtually disintegrated on impact. The idea of a Wile E Coyote silhouette entering the building is fantasy. I suggest you google some aircraft collisions into buildings and you will find very little large pieces other than steel engine parts exist.
C)

If you could tell which little pieces came from the plane from the rest of the Pentagon debris - they should have given you some tweezers and glue to do it for them.
D) Why did it have to skid ? It did hit at an angle:

Yeah, I'm comfortable with the plane until someone comes up with a complete explanation that covers the evidence presented.

I didn't know that it flew over 500 mph into the Pentagon (530 mph according to Wiki).

Shit, no camera will see that!

Crash[edit]
Fileentagon Security Camera 1.ogv
Security camera footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. Impact is at 1:27.[37]
According to the 9/11 Commission Report, as Flight 77 was 5 miles (8.0 km) west-southwest of the Pentagon, it made a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet (670 m), pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. Hani Hanjour advanced the throttles to maximum power and dived toward the Pentagon. While level above the ground and seconds from the crash, the wings knocked over five street lampposts and the right wing struck a portable generator, creating a smoke trail seconds before smashing into the Pentagon.[38][39] Flight 77, flying at 530 mph (853 km/h, 237 m/s, or 460 knots) over the Navy Annex Building adjacent to Arlington National Cemetery,[40] crashed into the western side of the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, just south of Washington, D.C., at 09:37:46.[41] The plane hit the Pentagon at the first-floor level,[42] and at the moment of impact, the airplane was rolled slightly to the left, with the right wing elevated.[43] The front part of the fuselage disintegrated on impact, while the mid and tail sections moved for another fraction of a second, with tail section debris penetrating furthest into the building.[42] In all, the airplane took eight-tenths of a second to fully penetrate 310 feet (94 m) into the three outermost of the building's five rings[44] and unleashed a fireball that rose 200 feet (61 m) above the building.[42]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

BTW, an alerted C-130 Hercules plane SAW the AA flight but lost it in the haze but then saw the fireball right after the crash.

 

[huckfinn]

These people were scared for their lives but someone decided to pull out a frame, just because lol. Just wow.

Those were her last words to her husband , she chose them carefully and told him to listen carefully. What would you say in that situation?

Same 'Just Wow to you'. First of all, they aren't going to be thinking of 'framing' in the last few minutes / seconds of their life. And, it certainly wouldn't be the last thing I want to share with a spouse. Also, if I recall correctly, she was in the process of hanging up the phone when she stated that, or something close to that. How could she have gotten that information? Any conspirators on the flight would not share information like that, especially if they see people on their cell phone speaking to people not in the plane.

What would I say in that situation, "I love you sweetheart, please don't grieve too much."

Your theory assumes she is alive, or held elsewhere. Where would that be, and do you not think they would make every effort to contact loved ones?
Maybe they killed them another way, hid the airplane and all traces, and paid off all the people where they landed the plane to keep it quiet. Or, maybe they flew it to a foreign country, not noticed on radar, or having to ask for landing rights. Now they are holding all of them hostage, feeding them, and no-one is asking any questions.

Oh, and the airline isn't looking for their multi-million dollar airplane either, to avoid lawsuits, or negative press. The airlines insurance company isn't looking either, because they want to pay for the airplane.

Wait, all of the hundreds of people on the flight with life insurance, their insurers aren't looking either. They would rather pay out millions in life insurance.

I would think a 757 would be quite noticeable.

Note the camera only takes a picture about once a second, so a 757 coming in at high speed and the camera capturing limited frames, it really wouldn't be noticeable.

 

[SuperCharge]

So what? Sound bites taken out of context. Show me one fire chief who believes that what he saw AND heard was evidence of controlled demolitions?

It is obvious you haven't been paying attention and I don't feel like spoon feeding you the many examples in this thread alone.

I didn't know that it flew 500 MPH into the pentagon. Shit, no camera will see that!

Again, where have you been? Clearly you don't know that the planes that hit the WTC buildings were going just as fast, because if you did know you would realize how ridiculous what you just said was. Funny, many great images and captures of that.

 

[SuperCharge]

Lots of people saw the plane that hit the Pentagon. Put down the crack pipe!

Only if you stop eating dog, deal?

 

[fuji]

Only if you stop eating dog, deal?

Nah. You go ahead and keep on smoking crack.

 

[SuperCharge]

Nah. You go ahead and keep on smoking crack.

You're living proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

 

[fuji]

You're living proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

You are getting close to getting yourself banned.

 

[basketcase]

So Newton's 3rd law took a break that day, ...

I guess all the scientific explanations discussed in this thread aren't important when you can just repeat the same wrong statements over and over.

 

[basketcase]

Listen to yourself right now, look up how impossible and difficult that maneuver would be for the best of pilots,...

The only difficulty is doing it without causing discomfort to the passengers and keeping the plane in good repair. Those weren't exactly concerns of AQ.

 

[basketcase]

Not at all, I'm simply saying that so many crazy improbable things happened in ONE day. How ironic huh? ....

As compared to the massively crazy improbable things in your convoluted conspiracy theory?

 

[basketcase]

lol 9/11 Commission Report, these guys were covering up tracks of the government. So much B.S. with their "report".
But because it's "commissioned" by the government it must be true. :sad:

So any evidence contrary to your faith is part of a cover up? Shit how many thousands of people do you think were in on it?

 

[basketcase]

If anyone is interested, Kurt Sonnenfeld worked for FEMA at ground zero and was one of 4 photographers permitted to be on scene. He has 20 hours worth of film. He is in exile in Argentina right now...

Actually he is awaiting extradition for murder of his wife.

But I'm sure that you believe it is really just a part of the conspiracy where the government killed his wife and planted evidence to frame him.

 

[basketcase]

So firefighters and Vietnam vets who obviously know what an explosion sounds like, are not credible eye witnesses in your opinion? Just curious what I'm dealing with here?

Credibility of witnesses is mainly based on their ability to interpret events and that depends on past experiences. Almost everyone has seen enough airplanes to be able to identify one as it flies by. Random firefighters and vets who have never been involved in demolitions or the collapse of large buildings wouldn't have enough experience to differentiate between sounds of collapse and explosions.

 

[SuperCharge]

You are getting close to getting yourself banned.

Says who, you? Lmao get a life!