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Frankfooter

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basketcase said:
Your usual attempt to blur lines. Canada does not consider Ben Gvir a terrorist. He may have a similar ideological view as Kach which is banned in Canada (and Israel) but being a racist is not the same as being a terrorist (almost every Palestinian group including the PA share an ideological root with terror or former terror groups so I'm sure you don't want that distinction ignored). Canada and the US have also started sanctioning current settler groups and I support Canada's determinations.


Your interesting in portraying Jewish groups as terrorists though is pathetic because you have consistently claimed that the Palestinian and Iran-linked group on that same list aren't terrorists.
If you accept Kach as a terror group, why do you keep backing Abu Nidal (Fatah revolutionary Council), Al Aqsa Martyr's brigade (Fatah), Hamas in it's entirety, Harakat al-Sabireen, Hizbullah, Iran's IRGC and it's Qud's force, the PLF, PIJ, PFLP?
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You continually use the word 'terrorist' as a racist slur. You base your definition on race, not on the acts committed.
Otherwise you'd have to admit that Israeli settlers commit far more terrorist attacks in a year than Hamas and they have done so for a long time.

Its Israel that are the terroriists.


West Bank: Israel Responsible for Rising Settler Violence
Entire Palestinian Communities Displaced Months After Attacks

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West Bank: Israel Responsible for Rising Settler Violence

The Israeli military either took part in or did not protect Palestinians from violent settler attacks in the West Bank that have displaced people from 20 communities and have entirely uprooted at least 7 communities since October 7, 2023.
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basketcase said:
Just another excuse for you to ignore what Palestinians are saying.

In your mind,the Lancet's estimation despite having no one on site is authoritative yet believe Palestinians are incapable of running a poll.
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You argue that Palestinians can't count the dead in one breath and then in the next you say they can hold accurate polls during a genocide.

The ICC is coming, Israel is worried.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1835360241786978567
 
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shack

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Frankfooter said:
Latest numbers say that its likely over 200,000 dead with most of the rest of the population sick, injured and starving.
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Yet there were only 20,000 dead at the beginning of the year. Your faux and futile calls for a ceasefire, instead of a Hamas surrender, have resulted in 180,000 unnecessary deaths. You must be very proud.

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Do you really think the genocide can continue?
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Neither you nor Hamas have any desire to see this incestuous genocide stop.
 
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Frankfooter said:
How do you take polls during the genocide where there are no safe zones, no power and no infrastructure left?
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So the death totals of 40,000, 186,000, 200,000, 360,000 are all imaginary works of fantasy. It's impossible to count them for the above stated reasons.
 
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shack said:
Yet there were only 20,000 dead at the beginning of the year. Your faux and futile calls for a ceasefire, instead of a Hamas surrender, have resulted in 180,000 unnecessary deaths. You must be very proud.
Neither you nor Hamas have any desire to see this incestuous genocide stop.
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Millions of people around the world have called for Israel to stop the genocide on Palestinians, Shazi.
Its only zionists and Netanyahu that cheer on the killings.

There aren't that many of you.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833640260389027929
 
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I have read past articles by him and they all seem well thought out and seem to hold merit in investigating further, he has an impressive biography and is well respected.
This is why i asked if there was more to the article, it doesn't have his normal investigative reasoning and seems incomplete.
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He's a first class bullshitter actually.
Everyone knows Israel's army invaded to fight the PLO who at the time were firing katyusha rockets into Israel
from Lebanese villages. Ask any villager from the south what they think of the PLO and Palestinians in general.
The PLO units ran away like cowards and preferred to hide and fire from civilian areas leaving the fighting to
Lebanese units. Israel did establish a buffer zone with the assistance of south Lebanese, google to find
the videos where they welcomed the Isreali forces after the PLO ran away.

In 1982, I was with Israel’s army when it invaded southern Lebanon. We moved from menacing village to village ready for an attack by Hezbollah fighters.
Israel’s objective was to seize the southern portion of Lebanon, notably the Litani River, the region’s major source of potable water. The historic Port of Tyre – old when Rome was young – was another key target. It had been largely seized by Maronite fascist militias allied and supplied by Israel.

Israel claimed it was battling ‘terrorism.’ In fact, Israel’s ultimate objective was – as always – more land for the Jewish state. When Israel was created in 1948, there was much speculation about whether the new Jewish state would go on to annex all of southern Lebanon.
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Frankfooter

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wlkf1 said:
He's a first class bullshitter actually.
Everyone knows Israel's army invaded to fight the PLO who at the time were firing katyusha rockets into Israel
from Lebanese villages. Ask any villager from the south what they think of the PLO and Palestinians in general.
The PLO units ran away like cowards and preferred to hide and fire from civilian areas leaving the fighting to
Lebanese units. Israel did establish a buffer zone with the assistance of south Lebanese, google to find
the videos where they welcomed the Isreali forces after the PLO ran away.
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PLO belong in Palestine.

www.hrw.org

75 Years Later, Israel Blocking Palestinian Refugees’ Return

From the morgues of Cairo to the cells of Guantanamo, I’ve seen a lot of anguish and cruelty in my human rights work over the years. But often more than blood spilled, it’s the lives stunted, solely because of a person’s identity, that hits the hardest.
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www.amnesty.org

Israel must respect rights of return for Palestinians

More than 70 years after the state of Israel was created, displaced Palestinian refugees continue to face the devastating consequences
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

 
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Frankfooter said:
Millions of people around the world have called for Israel to stop the genocide on Palestinians, Shazi.
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That's my point:

shack said:
Yet there were only 20,000 dead at the beginning of the year. Your faux and futile calls for a ceasefire, instead of a Hamas surrender, have resulted in 180,000 unnecessary deaths. You must be very proud.

You are calling and cheering for more Palestinians to die. The marches are useless.
 
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Frankfooter

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shack said:
That's my point:

shack said:
Yet there were only 20,000 dead at the beginning of the year. Your faux and futile calls for a ceasefire, instead of a Hamas surrender, have resulted in 180,000 unnecessary deaths. You must be very proud.

You are calling and cheering for more Palestinians to die. The marches are useless.
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Sure, Shazi.
You think that the 40,000 people that zionists have killed are the correct numbers despite them having been about the same for 6 months of bombings.

The occupation is illegal, Israel needs to get the fuck out of Palestine.
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shack

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Frankfooter said:
Look, Shazi, the news you've been waiting for.
The UN says Israel's occupation of Palestine is illegal and must be ended within a year.
Where do you move the goal posts to now?
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In a discussion of your false claims of what the Lancet (didn't say) regarding the number of dead in Gaza, you bring up the West Bank and the UN. That's not moving goal posts, that's changing venues altogether. You never stay on topic.
 
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Frankfooter

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shack said:
In a discussion of your false claims of what the Lancet (didn't say) regarding the number of dead in Gaza, you bring up the West Bank and the UN. That's not moving goal posts, that's changing venues altogether. You never stay on topic.
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Here, why don't you read the Lancet letter again and see if it rings a bell.
There are only so many times I can tell you the same thing.
You really should get your head looked at.

 
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Frankfooter said:
You argue that Palestinians can't count the dead in one breath and then in the next you say they can hold accurate polls during a genocide.
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I accept Hamas' numbers of dead as reasonably accurate and you are the one rejecting them. I call out Hamas for refusing to distinguish between combatants and civilians and potentially fraudulent numbers of 'children' listed.

You refuse to accept Hamas' numbers now and you refuse to accept Palestinian opinion when you don't approve like the white supremacist you are.
 
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