This is probably true for some of them but if the economy is picking up by then, they would be replaced with new willing clients at the higher rate anyways. It will balance out.
Rates need to be lowered - Would a rate decrease influence you?
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Of course, there are scammers on Twitter but it is much easier to see their history than Leo List. The bulk of ladies I see are through agencies. When it comes to Twitter I have simple Squeezer rules, $400 is my max, and I do not send out personal info or deposits. On Twitter I find once you establish a good repertoire of back and forth usually some ladies will allow the booking feeling safe if not, no hard feelings, I move on. I also ask girls I've seen before through an agency, who have gone Indy, and know me, this helps a lot, or a referral from a lady who knows me. No reason whatsoever for me to use LeoList.
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Personally, if a lady currently is out of my price range and she lowered her rates, short term to something affordable, then definitely give her a try to see if she’s worth visiting at Her regular rate. Then cut back on other visits to see her regularly!
So this is something I've also contemplated. That if I really liked her but her rates went up, maybe I would see her like once a month instead of twice, but this kinds of proves my point about my previous post that she would end up making less money off me. Let say her regular rate is $350 an hour, but her promo rate is $250 an hour, at her promo rate I see her twice a month so she makes $500 off me. At her regular rate I see her once a month so she makes $350 off me.
For me personally, I still don't think a "promo" rate would lure me in knowing I can't be the regular I would like to be after the promo ends, but it is something I at least thought about.
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If prices were lowered, I would see more girls and more often.
I’ve definitely become stricter about hitting the half hours and promo rates where available. I repeat a lot if I like a girl and she’s available, but the first sessions aren’t great a lot of the time and it just feels a lot better when you’re out under $200.
Once I like a girl though I’ll spend a great deal more - I know what to expect so it rarely feels wasted.
Once I like a girl though I’ll spend a great deal more - I know what to expect so it rarely feels wasted.
It really is that simple, yet the unenlightened choose to be frustrated by the incessant sounds of crickets.
I have been noticing a trend these past months. Most new agency girls are starting at the $250/hr rate. Last summer it was a different and inflated story.
Personally for me lowering rates would have no impact on whether I want to see a specific provider or not. If i want to go see a provider bad enough I don't care if she's charging $1k/hr or $100/hr. On the other hand if a provider is charging higher rates then the rest of her peers my expectations do go up naturally so she will need to do a better job in motivating me and enticing me to come see her over someone else. That means having a better website, more interaction with clients, sexier pics etc. When you price yourself higher or lower then the rest expectations are also aligned with your pricepoint
As long as the promo makes sense. You can't really compare SPs to Mattresses persay - but if you go on Sleep Country's website they are constantly advertising a sale of 15% off for a limited time.
It's a Marketing Trick - there is so much profit margin built in that the store can always advertise a "sale."
Me personally I have difficulties spending more than $300-$320/HR - because I don't think anyone is worth $400, $500, or $600 an hour. There is one girl who I used to see prior to COVID, who then retired and moved out of Toronto during COVID, and who has now unretired.
Last time I saw her was 5 years ago and I know she's great - but she wants $400 an hour now. And she doesn't give you a discount if you book multiple hours. Now, I'm not going to insult her by contacting her and trying to negotiate a discount - I'll just go somewhere else for my fix. If she can get enough business at $400 to have a sustainable income for herself, then she'll stay at $400 an hour and she doesn't need my contributions.
Yes. If a sp who has good review on tetb and lower her rates, I will definitely book more.
Same thing on LL. Starting to see lower prices. I guess between the competition and slow business due to people not having as much disposable income, some of the SP's are adjusting.
The funny part is, many of them want/need money but they can't make common sense decisions. Maybe this SP doesn't need the money, but sooooo many do. Some of the SP's I've contacted could have made soooo much money off me, but they are so focused on the quick buck they lose the thousands they would make of me per year. Their ad says they do pretty everything, BBBJ, full service...etc.
I contact them telling them I'm looking to be a regular and not even looking for full service, more massage type service. (I like mild body worship). They then respond and say shit like "that's an extra $50 hun". Okay, so you'll suck a guys dick, let him fuck you, for your regular rate, but you want me to pay extra to lick and kiss your body and get a massage?? I even tell them if they have sexy outfits they can keep it on as I love certain outfits. Pretty mild and tame if you ask me.
Them going for the extra $50 for more mild service cause they think it falls under the "fetish" category cost them thousands because once they pull that shit, I see what kind of greedy provider they are and move on. I'm not a foot fetish guy, but some of the guys in the fetish section have said the same thing. SP's trying to up charge them for foot fetish, meanwhile they give bbbj, and full service at their regular rates. Shows how stupid so many of them are.
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I wouldn’t go as far as insulting SPs and calling them stupid. Only because for indies, we have to be everything. Not everyone went to business school and most are just following what they see others do.
I know about the loss leading strategy and ROI and marketing, etc. Many ladies don’t.
Also to some, a massage is more work than a blow job. Silly as that may seem but a massage is more hands on a physical level. I know for me; I would rather give a 15 mins blow job and make a 100 instead of spending all the time giving a massage at 150 for a hh. I can take a full service client for a hh and it be less physical on my end. Plus with full service, I will probably cum while with a massage; I won’t.
So there are other things involved. I mean I don’t upcharge for it. What happens in your time is your time. I’m not paid by service but by time. a lot of SPs don’t understand this concept either. Only because they dont have the education background in business to understand.
well I'm not saying all of them are stupid, but my point was the ones that can't wrap their heads around the fact that them trying to make an extra $50 instead of thousands off me by having me as a regular is pretty stupid. I mean you don't need any business education to understand that if you keep me coming back, you'll make bank as opposed to trying to squeeze me for an extra $50. Now I get the fact that some providers charge for time while others charge for certain services, but sometimes I don't even tell them about the massage part, and they still want to up charge me because I'm requesting something slightly different. My main point was, they just don't think about it logically. Like I said, they try spin it that this is some kind crazy fetish, and quite frankly it does fall into the fetish category, but it's still less risky and less of a service then bbbj and full service.
So I'm not trying to be insulting, but that train of thought is pretty stupid and there's really no way to sugar coat it. I wish I could tell you it's only happened to me a few times, but it's happens the majority of the time as opposed the odd time. So between that, and all the other nonsense that goes on with LL girls I've kind of given up.
As far as the massage thing goes, it even happened with an MA that was also escorting. She was working at Muse and I was talking to her via twitter. She was also advertising on LL as an escort. When I messaged on twitter explaining I would like to be her regular and see her at Muse (thinking I would pretty much only have to pay massages prices) she basically up charged me her escort rate.
Spending an hour with me for what I'm looking is should like taking candy from kids. I mean some of these SP's and MA's even like some of their clients. My last regular used to tell me that all the time and laugh about it. She would be like "I'm getting paid to hang out with people I like" and paid very lucratively. She wouldn't say that...lol. I'm just saying not only was she getting paid, but paid quite well to do something she liked doing.
This city used to be such a great place both sides, and it's completely gone to shit.
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I agree but that is what I am saying. To them it is not common sense. They don’t know business so they don’t understand the concept of long term income over short term income. This may be common sense and logic to you but they don’t because they don’t have the experience or the education. You can’t expect SPs to understand everything.
For example, I know someone who is always losing money in his business. Why? Because you uses stupid math to quote the job. Why? Because he simply doesn’t understand the business concept of setting a proper quote. He knows how to tile the shit out of your tub surround but he can’t do math that seems simple to me and others. He is not a business man, he is a contractor.
Just because someone is running a business doesn’t mean they know anything about business. It may frustrate you but I don’t hold someone’s ignorance against them in cases like this. They sell sex, if they knew more about business, they may not be struggling for one and for two, they may have ended up with a completely different career.
Discounts feel weird and uncomfortable.
Lower the rate or don't but rebate, discounts or worst grand-father rate makes us uncomfortable.
Okay well we can use whatever word you want to be politically correct, but it's all the same thing.
P.S, ask your tiling buddy if he needs help on the administration side as I'm always looking...lol. He can do the tiling while take care of the selling and quotes..lol.
Why would a grand father rate make you feel uncomfortable??? It's quite common in the industry.
Either i see girl at asking price or i don't. I am not buying a bbq and looking for best rebate. I am buying a fantasy. Just give me a rate that will make us both feel comfortable. Either i accept the rate or i pass on.
