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N1ghth4wk

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He effectively was torturing an animal which is more heinous than any of the other punishable offences you cited. It also caused a disturbance of the peace.

So if the TPS make an arrest or write a ticket for something that isn't usually enforced the odd time, that's reason to reduce their numbers by 500? That's absurd.

Sounds like you'll think of any argument to justify whacking a mammal to death that's legally protected against cruelty.
What I'm saying is that if they really have nothing better to do, then the TPS should be trimmed. 3 cop cars to this call.... give me a fucking break!!

It's so typical ..... don't address the issue.... turn this into a "you just want to kill animals" argument. You can't (or won't) accept the logic, so you turn to personal attacks.
 

N1ghth4wk

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Exactly. Whatever the wisdom and non-wisdom about raccoons and animal control in the city that has been posted here and elsewhere, this is an apparent instance of cruelty to animals which is the law under which the man was arrested.

While we humans may often be brutal and thoughtlessly hurtful, pretty much all human cultures decry cruelty. And for those who just can't let go of their conviction that the only good raccoon is a dead one, maybe you can see this guy's method was stupidly inefficient. The more so when the weight of the law fell on him.
Who said that all raccoons should be killed..... the point is that killing of this raccoon should not cost this man a criminal record. Maybe fine him because of the clumsy way in which he did it, but to suggest that this warrants a criminal record is just idiotic.
 

oldjones

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Who said that all raccoons should be killed..... the point is that killing of this raccoon should not cost this man a criminal record. Maybe fine him because of the clumsy way in which he did it, but to suggest that this warrants a criminal record is just idiotic.
He acted like a deranged psycho, letting his rage overcome whatever he uses for brains, and maimed a living creature by smashing at it with a shovel. That is criminal behaviour in my books, and according to the law of the land.

But do tell us just what amount of enraged shovel-swinging and maiming you might find intolerable, and how you'd want the laws changed to allow it.
 

N1ghth4wk

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He acted like a deranged psycho, letting his rage overcome whatever he uses for brains, and maimed a living creature by smashing at it with a shovel. That is criminal behaviour in my books, and according to the law of the land.

But do tell us just what amount of enraged shovel-swinging and maiming you might find intolerable, and how you'd want the laws changed to allow it.
If it's wild life, it can be killed. If you want to regulate its killing (fishing, hunting, etc), that's fine. Issue licences and fines for behaviour outside the of the licence terms, but don't make it a criminal offence. If you want to add additional fines for cruelty... I can live with that too. Just doesn't make sense that this man should have a criminal record.
 

GG2

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They just can't let go of a losing argument.

Perfect example of humans being unrelentingly irrational.
 

Terminator2000

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So, let me get this straight...

A man goes out to get rid of rodents on his property and he get charged and treated like a common criminal. What is wrong with this picture?

After just seeing on TV how the cops paraded him out to their car in handcuffs, I think this is a disgrace. And the way they described the mother raccoon and 'her baby raccoons' as if they were a 'family' living in the house???? A raccoon is not a furry, cuddly creature. If this were the case, we would all have them in our houses, sleeping on the couches, and taking them for walks. Giving them kisses, and cleaning out their litter boxes. To me they are nothing more than large over-sized rodents, and should be treated like the pests they are. What's next? We can't kill cockroaches, since they are just minding their own business in our houses?

This is another reason why we have too much cops in this city. When we make criminals out of ordinary people something is wrong. When 3 or more cars respond to this incident, arrest somebody in handcuffs, take him to court, waste a ton of money on lawyers, judges ,etc, then something to me is wrong, and we should start reducing the size of the force, so they can focus on real issues and stop criminalizing (sic) the residents of the city.

(just had to get my rant out before I went to bed)
you know, while we're at hating raccoons because we are 'higher lifeforms' and 'we were here first' and this is our land and any other creature is therefore, trespassing on it and therefore, we deem our right to deal with them however we see fit - even if that means beating and/or maiming them senseless with a shovel.

my question is:

WHY STOP THERE?

why just raccoons? why not beat and kill the squirrels too? Last I checked, a squirrel was a rodent, and while we're at it. Why not the birds? they're wild and sure, some of them are cute and furry, but we can't domesticate them and keep them as pets. and the damn things are trespassing on OUR land and eating from OUR gardens!

I say KILL THEM ALL!

Every last bird. Every single squirrel!

why discriminate?

why only raccoons? Kill All the damn squirrels and birds too! EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM! they're all trespassers and eating in our precious gardens and land which belongs to us and only us!
 

oldjones

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Maiming or killing an animal, vs criminal record.
Do you have one iota of an idea of what a criminal record means?

He did not act like a deranged psycho, those are your words and your spin.
If it was a rat you would you think differently? Google pictures of Rats, they are fairly cute too, so are mice.
Why do you insist raccoons be treated differently? The law cannot explain this, and it is prejudiced.
He wasn't competent to kill his prey so let's stop talking about that.

I do know what it's like to have a criminal record; don't drink and drive. And don't let some two-pound furball enrage you to the point you ignore the criminal law and start swinging a shovel. If that's how he 'protects' his trash can what's he gonna do when he thinks[sic] someone's scratched his car?

If it was a rat, I would think the same; humans are supposed to be intelligent, and kill efficiently and humanely. Think about that word. If you're too psychotic to get the job done, and only inflict pain and suffering, then you're stupid, out of control and dangerous. As the law says.

Your spin is that raccons should be treated differently. What I say is that this has almost nothing to do with any animal, and everything to do with a dangerous man who couldn't control his rage or obey the law.

BTW: the law doesn't say anything about 'cute widdle waccoons' either. All it requires is that humans do not cause unecessary suffering.

What part of that do you need explained?
 

GG2

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WHY STOP THERE?

why just raccoons? why not beat and kill the squirrels too? Last I checked, a squirrel was a rodent, and while we're at it. Why not the birds? they're wild and sure, some of them are cute and furry, but we can't domesticate them and keep them as pets. and the damn things are trespassing on OUR land and eating from OUR gardens!
why only raccoons? Kill All the damn squirrels and birds too! EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM! they're all trespassers and eating in our precious gardens and land which belongs to us and only us!
We shouldn't stop at raccoons and we don't. We also kill mice, rats, ants and other pests. However, Dong wasn't interested in killing every last animal on Earth. He was only interested in killing the animal that was destroying his property. If some other pest was destroying his garden, be it a squirrel, ants, birds, or other, he should be able to kill it too. If I had pigeons on my property leaving droppings destroying my property, I'd kill them. Only a psychologically disturbed person would want to kill all living creatures when they're causing no harm.
 

blackrock13

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They just can't let go of a losing argument.

Perfect example of humans being unrelentingly irrational.
I guess some people just hold a grudge way too long, considering that rats were the vector for spreading the Black Plague and killing about a third of the known world's population. What's next, stories or culling deer and showing pictures of Bambi. The only losers around this patch is you and Nightie, as you seem to be the only two that have continued this stupid argument when nobody else seems to agree with you two newbies.
 

GG2

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I guess some people just hold a grudge way too long, considering that rats were the vector for spreading the Black Plague and killing about a third of the known world's population. What's next, stories or culling deer and showing pictures of Bambi. The only losers around this patch is you and Nightie, as you seem to be the only two that have continued this stupid argument when nobody else seems to agree with you two newbies.
You forgot about the other "newbie losers" kbear, rockslinger, northpole, totourist, greatbear, burtohmy, splowed, worf (the OP), Mr_bingoBrown2234, C Dick, bananaman, and others (maybe due to your cataracts and alzheimers?). If it's numbers that you're interested in, you're in the minority position worldwide.

Your tangential statements about deer make no sense.
 

blackrock13

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You forgot the other "losers" kbear, rockslinger, northpole, totourist, and others (cataracts and alzheimer's old man?). If it's numbers that you're interested in, you're in the minority position worldwide.

Your tangential statements about deer make no sense.

Ya, but they had a different position all together, ie. KBear, Totourist(who posted one only post also taking a different view suggesting a bullit), or gave it up a some time ago seeing the whole picture, but you with Woodie's bucket over your head just don't do either. World wide! Are you telling us that this story has hit the worldwide press and they have spoken up defending him? Gimme a break?

As if your picture of cute rats make sense either
 

GG2

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Ya, but they had a different position all together, ie. KBear, or gave it up a some time ago seeing the whole picture, but you with Woodie's bucket over your head just don't do either. World wide! Are you telling us that this story has hit the worldwide press and they have spoken up defending him? Gimme a break?

As if your picture of cute rats make sense either
Nobody gave up anything some time ago other than posting in the thread realizing you can't be taught. No worldwide news coverage is required. Most people in the world couldn't care less about killing pests in their backyard. If you need some type of poll to confirm this, you know less about the world than you do on this topic.

Those aren't rats in the pictures; they are mice. Wow. The picture was posted directly after the cute raccoon pictures to show that we kill cute animals without caring so why are raccoons treated any differently?

People like you mistakenly believe that people like me hate animals. I can gaurantee that I have more love and respect for animals than you do. I've taken an interest in animals since I was a child and often study them in my spare time. I'm certain I know more about animals and ecosystems than you do. In your shallow world, you believe that owning a pet and kissing it as if it were human means that you have a greater affinity for it.
 

N1ghth4wk

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I guess some people just hold a grudge way too long, considering that rats were the vector for spreading the Black Plague and killing about a third of the known world's population. What's next, stories or culling deer and showing pictures of Bambi. The only losers around this patch is you and Nightie, as you seem to be the only two that have continued this stupid argument when nobody else seems to agree with you two newbies.
This statement is so typical of the self-righteous left wing animal loving bleeding heart hypocrites. People like you cannot be engaged in any kind of adult, reasoned debate or discussion, because you refuse to see things that do not line up or support your point of view. Guys like you will never be convinced that you are wrong because you are both too insecure. No matter how stringent the logic presented to you might be, you will never accept it because to admit you're mistaken would be seen as some threat to your manhood.

I'm not sure what your reference to newbies is all about. If it is to suggest that your opinion carries more weight because you have been a terb member longer, then that is consistent with other arguments you have made on this thread - stupid and irrelevant.
 

blackrock13

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Nobody gave up anything some time ago other than posting in the thread realizing you can't be taught. No worldwide news coverage is required. Most people in the world couldn't care less about killing pests in their backyard. If you need some type of poll to confirm this, you know less about the world than you do on this topic.

They aren't rats in the pictures, they are mice. Wow. The picture was posted directly after the cute raccoon pictures to show that we kill cute animals without caring so why are raccoons treated any differently?

As for as love and respect for animals - I gaurantee I have both in spades more than you do. I've taken an interest in animals since I was a child and often study them in my spare time.
Again, you know so little as a newbie, or you would know from past posts that I get paid to study and deal with wildlife dead or alive, all over the world fpr a good chunk of my professional life. Dealing with more serious events than a crazy homeowner raining hate on family of Racoons, so you can study animals part-time all you want, but it pails against anything I've put on my CV.

As for the rodent picture, you only recognized them as mice because you posted the picture and it told you so, big deal.
 

GG2

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Again, you know so little as a newbie, or you would know from past posts that I get paid to study and deal with wildlife dead or alive, all over the world fpr a good chunk of my professional life. Dealing with more serious events than a crazy homeowner raining hate on family of Racoons, so you can study animals part-time all you want, but it pails against anything I've put on my CV.

As for the rodent picture, you only recognized them as mice because you posted the picture and it told you so, big deal.
Congrats, you've been right about one thing thus far. You see, it's not so hard to admit being wrong. I just did. Now you should too about your indefensible logic concerning Dong and treatment of pesky wildlife.
 

blackrock13

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This statement is so typical of the self-righteous left wing animal loving bleeding heart hypocrites. People like you cannot be engaged in any kind of adult, reasoned debate or discussion, because you refuse to see things that do not line up or support your point of view. Guys like you will never be convinced that you are wrong because you are both too insecure. No matter how stringent the logic presented to you might be, you will never accept it because to admit you're mistaken would be seen as some threat to your manhood.

I'm not sure what your reference to newbies is all about. If it is to suggest that your opinion carries more weight because you have been a terb member longer, then that is consistent with other arguments you have made on this thread - stupid and irrelevant.
You can't even get it it straight as I'm not a leftie, not even close. As for the rest of your post, it's all been covered before in spades or just total garbage from a newbie. Any member who's been active on here longer than you and just not a lurker/troll, can tell you I've admitted errors numerous times in past threads , so you are just showing how quick you are to spout baseless arguments.
 

blackrock13

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Congrats, you've been right about one thing thus far. You see, it's not so hard to admit being wrong. I just did. Now you should too about your indefensible logic concerning Dong and treatment of pesky wildlife.
It's not the first time i've been wrong on TERB and admitted it and won't be the last, but I've got DONG's issue bang on. Tell you're bucket buddy Nightie that will ya?

How are the part time studies coming along?
 

GG2

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How are the part time studies coming along?
Good but I haven't found as much time in the past few years because making $$$ comes first. Part time as in hobby, moreso with aquatic species than land animals.

Tell us about some of the serious events you've been involved in and exactly what your job title is.
 

GG2

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but I've got DONG's issue bang on.
You've got it wrong.

To argue that something is ok (eg. criminalizing Dong for protecting his property) because it is the law isn't good enough. To argue that some animals should be priviledged over others (eg. raccoons over rats) because it is the law isn't good enough. Bad laws should be challenged.

A 14 year old was charged with child porn of herself. As oldjones and you would proclaim: it's the law! http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/03/27/pn.teen.faces.porn.charges.cnn

By the way, it's not just me who holds a 'grudge' against rats. It's everybody in the city who has ever dealt with them, save for you. Presumably you'd prefer we not kill them. Unfortunately living side by side with wildlife in cities isn't always sanitary.
 
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