Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures

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A FEW, FAR TOO FEW, ADVENTURERS AND HAMAS-LOVERS IN THE ........EAST????


Opinion | An Annihilation Discourse Has Taken Over Israel
Calls for Israel to launch a nuclear attack on Iran by historian Benny Morris and many others, including those on the left, is the continuation of a strategy of vengeance that would destroy everything. We must take to the streets and protest, while we still can
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A Palestinian woman holding the body of her daughter, killed in an Israeli airstrike in the Maghazi refugee camp, in Gaza last month.Credit: Abdel Kareem Hana/AP

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For years, Israeli historian Benny Morris has been warning about Iran going nuclear.

In September 2021, he wrote in Haaretz: "Time is pressing. The moment Israel must decide between launching a preventive strike and coming to terms with a nuclear Iran and living in its shadow is very near."

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In October 2023, at the beginning of the Israeli maneuvers in Gaza, he wrote: "The timing will never be better [to attack] than it is now," and it's "the only way remaining."

And now he has stated that if Israel can't attack the Iranian nuclear project through conventional means, "then it may not have any option but to resort to its nonconventional capabilities" (Haaretz English, July 1).



In a 2008 article in The New York Times, he proposed an Israeli nuclear attack because "the alternative is letting Tehran have its bomb." At the time, he acknowledged that "in either case, a Middle Eastern nuclear holocaust would be in the cards."

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Observers on the bridge of the USS Mt. McKinley watching a huge cloud mushroom over Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands following an atomic test blast, July 1946.Credit: Jack Rice / AP
Morris didn't say how the use of nuclear weapons would eliminate the Iranian project, but since he doesn't relate to such "trivialities," there is no need to deal with his proposal. It's also unclear why he determined that "Israel can expect reprimands from the international media, the ignorant and mindless youngsters on the campuses and assorted world leaders, but it will also enjoy significant understanding if not active support from many in the international community."



Would breaking the most important international taboo, against the use of nuclear weapons – which hasn't been violated since August 1945 – only lead to a few complaints against Israel? That's a baseless conclusion.

He's also not bothered by the political, diplomatic and military significance of the use of a nuclear weapon, or the fact that no government (whether democratic or authoritarian) has the legitimacy to use such a bomb. There's also an international effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.

Would dropping nuclear bombs on Iran and the elimination of the taboo assure Israel's future? Shouldn't one shudder at the suggestion that such weapons be resorted to?

More disturbing than the "strategic" absurdity of nuking Iran is the outlook that has taken hold of many Israelis that from a diplomatic standpoint, "all is lost" – along with the normalization and legitimization of the annihilation discourse that has taken over a large segment of the public that views itself as left wing. In other words, a moral fissure.



A nuclear Iran is the greatest threat to Israel. Yitzhak Rabin stated that Israel had a window of opportunity to sign peace agreements with its neighbors before the Middle East goes nuclear. There don't appear to be many subjects on which there is a consensus that transcends parties and political movements more than the danger of the nuclearization of the Middle East. Yigal Allon, and Rabin after him, claimed that if there were a real, genuine danger of the "destruction of the Third Temple" (meaning the State of Israel), it would involve the introduction of nuclear weapons into the region. And now Iran has advanced to become a nuclear threshold state on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's watch.

It would be difficult to exaggerate the significance to Israel of a nuclear Iran. And yet, before deciding to deploy bombs, Israel has the capacity – albeit a shrinking one – to influence the international approach in the region. It should play a central role in assembling a coalition with the United States and Arab nations to build a new regional order. Clearly that's not possible under the government of Netanyahu, who recently brought about the cancellation of a meeting between Israel and the United States on the subject after he released a video critical of the Biden administration. (Netanyahu has for years been scuttling nuclear diplomacy efforts against Iran.)

People in the know, such as Ehud Barak, Yisrael Beiteinu leader Avigdor Lieberman and New Hope-United Right head Gideon Sa'ar, have recently made tough predictions in Haaretz. Last month, Yossi Verter quoted Barak as saying: "In six months to a year, Iran will launch a multifront war of attrition – Hamas, Hezbollah, Iraqi militias that will attack the Golan Heights, the Houthis and maybe a third intifada. It will be a war of attrition until collapse and then annihilation."

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Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak at the Labor primary results in May.Credit: Moti Milrod
That's why Netanyahu has to be removed from office through huge protests that would paralyze the country. It's the only way to perhaps prevent a collision with the iceberg. But Morris and others have thrown up their hands and are adopting a policy of annihilation.

The October 7 massacre has done damage to many people's rationality. When Netanyahu declared that Gaza would be turned to rubble, he received legitimacy for it from the Israeli public. Airstrikes over Gaza in the initial days of the war didn't prompt criticism from most of the left. On the contrary, it's only now that former senior figures such as ex-Mossad director Tamir Pardo have been prepared to state publicly that the bombardments were an act of revenge, plain and simple, which actually only further complicated our situation and, to a great extent, foiled our capacity to achieve what we wanted to do.

U.S. President Joe Biden said similar things at the beginning of the war, recounting in December that Netanyahu had told him: "You carpet-bombed Germany. You dropped the atom bomb. A lot of civilians died."

"Yeah," Biden responded. "That's why all these [international] institutions were set up after World War II to see to it that it didn't happen again." People on the left in Israel also needed the vengeance of annihilation that Netanyahu announced and which harmed the interests of those seeking peace in the region. Morris' suggestion that the doomsday weapon be used is a continuation of a strategy of vengeance that would destroy everything.

"Annihilation" has been made legitimate in the Israeli discourse. It's also evidence of Israel's moral decline. It should be rejected. People need to take to the streets and protest.

Adam Raz is a researcher at the Akevot Institute for Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Research. His (Hebrew) book "The Road to October 7: Benjamin Netanyahu, the Production of the Endless Conflict and Israel's Moral Degradation," was published in May.
 

Frankfooter

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they got people talking how they support terrorism...they got you doing your best and failing to defend terrorism...
Sorry dude, but if you back Israel you're the one backing terrorism.
Israeli settlers commit way more terrorism than Hamas and were committing way more terrorism in 2023.
Are you against terrorism or just Palestinians?

 
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Sorry dude, but if you back Israel you're the one backing terrorism.
Israeli settlers commit way more terrorism than Hamas and were committing way more terrorism in 2023.
Are you against terrorism or just Palestinians?

Hamas aren't recognized as terrorists...Hamas is...easy to spot the difference... leave the palestinians out of it...
 

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(July 4, 2024 / JNS)
Canadian Member of Parliament Anthony Housefather of the Liberal Party condemned on Wednesday an antisemitic flyer calling him a neo-Nazi and telling him to “get out of Canada.”

Housefather tweeted a photo of the flyer on X. The flyer, taped to a concrete lamppost in Montreal, shows a Nazi flag and an Israeli flag whose Star of David is replaced with a swastika.


Written on the flyer: “Housefather = Neo-Nazi,” “Get out of Canada” and “Zionism = terrorism.” Also written on it were the statements: “Housefather: We helped build this country,” and “We built the autobahn & much more.”

Housefather wrote in his post, “My family has been here since the 19th century and we have indeed helped build this country. I am not going anywhere. Sorry antisemites. You may not like what I have to say but I will keep saying it.”


Housefather told CBC News that he learned of the poster when community members sent him a photo. It wasn’t posted in his district but in a neighboring one.

‘Get out of Canada': Montreal MP targeted with antisemitic flyer - JNS.org
 

shack

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You've never proven any photo or video I've posted is fake, Shazi.
You repeatedly make these accusations and not once have been able to back them up.
They are backed up by the fact that everything you post is a lie. It's a pattern for you.

I've asked you several times: Who took those pictures? When? Where? Who published/posted them.

Easy questions for someone who is legit. You NEVER answer. The logical conclusion is that your pics are phony.
 

Frankfooter

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They are backed up by the fact that everything you post is a lie. It's a pattern for you.

I've asked you several times: Who took those pictures? When? Where? Who published/posted them.

Easy questions for someone who is legit. You NEVER answer. The logical conclusion is that your pics are phony.
You've accused me of lying 40 times and never been able to back it up once.
You're weak sauce, Shazi.
Just an old hateful zionist who won't believe what he's turned into.


shack counter:
40 accusations of lying, 45 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof

 

shack

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You've accused me of lying 40 times and never been able to back it up once.
There's nothing to prove, Geno.

Geno, 1 of us already has a well-earned and deserved reputation of being the biggest liar on TERB. Don't look now, but it's not me. Why don't you start a poll if you don't believe it.

Your accusations and denials hold as much water as a colander.
 

Klatuu

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There's nothing to prove, Geno.

Geno, 1 of us already has a well-earned and deserved reputation of being the biggest liar on TERB. Don't look now, but it's not me. Why don't you start a poll if you don't believe it.

Your accusations and denials hold as much water as a colander.
Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
 
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