Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures

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Why would anyone care what some Shazi says about what is legit or not?
Those numbers are used by Israel, the UN and the world.
They are the best we've got until Israel allows the press and investigators in.




No, Shazi, we went over this. The numbers are the same, they just separated the dead brought to hospitals and counted there from other dead.
Those numbers are still very conservative, with tens of thousands missing and buried in rubble.


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JULY 2, 2024Service in Dissent: Joint Statement of U.S. Government Officials Who Have Resigned Over U.S. Policy Towards Gaza, Palestine, and Israel
BY COUNTERPUNCH NEWS SERVICE
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We are former U.S. Government Officials who resigned from our respective positions over the last nine months due to our grave concerns with current U.S. policy towards the crisis in Gaza, and U.S. policies and practices towards Palestine and Israel more broadly. We are subject matter experts representing the interagency, and are a multifaith and multiethnic community of professionals and patriots dedicated to the service of the United States of America, its people, and its values. Whether in the civil service, foreign service, armed forces, or as political appointees, each of us has sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and as our nation celebrates its Independence Day, each of us are reminded that we resigned from government not to terminate that oath but to continue to abide by it; not to end our commitment to service, but to extend it.
Alone, we each made the somber and difficult decision to resign based on the individual circumstances we encountered at different times during these past nine months as we performed our specific jobs. But today we stand united in a shared belief that it is our collective responsibility to speak up.
The Administration’s policy in Gaza is a failure and a threat to U.S. national security. America’s diplomatic cover for, and continuous flow of arms to, Israel has ensured our undeniable complicity in the killings and forced starvation of a besieged Palestinian population in Gaza. This is not only morally reprehensible and in clear violation of international humanitarian law and U.S. laws, but it has also put a target on America’s back. This intransigent policy risks U.S. national security and the lives of our service members and diplomats as has already been made evident with the killing of three U.S. service members in Jordan in January and the evacuations of diplomatic facilities in the Middle East, and also poses a security risk for American citizens at home and abroad. Despite this, the Administration’s choices have continued to threaten U.S. interests throughout the region. Our nation’s political and economic interests across the region have also been significantly harmed, while U.S. credibility has been deeply undermined worldwide at a time we need it most, when the world is characterized by a new era of strategic competition.
Critically, this failed policy has not achieved its stated objectives—it has not made Israelis any safer, it has emboldened extremists while it has been devastating for the Palestinian people, ensuring a vicious cycle of poverty and hopelessness, with all the implications of that cycle, for generations to come. As a group of dedicated Americans in service of our country, we insist that there is another way. In this Statement, we describe the current crisis, explain what we have seen, and address the Biden Administration with policy proposals that we, based on our extensive experience in government, believe must be adopted, including to ensure that catastrophic policy failure like this can never happen again. Finally, but with the deepest devotion, we address the thousands of honorable individuals still in government who are struggling on a daily basis with difficult moral and personal choices.
The Current Crisis
U.S. policy choices have begotten a disaster. First and foremost is the catastrophic and rapidly escalating humanitarian crisis that the Israeli government has created for the Palestinian people, for whom the missteps of the ink of American bureaucracy has been paid in the blood of innocent men, women, and children. To date, over 37,000 Palestinians have been killed, the vast majority of civilian and humanitarian infrastructure has been destroyed, thousands of innocent people remain missing under the rubble, and millions continue to face a manufactured famine due to Israel’s arbitrary restrictions on food, water, medicine, and other critical humanitarian goods. Yet, rather than hold the Government of Israel responsible for its role in arbitrarily impeding humanitarian assistance, the U.S. has cut off funding to the single largest provider of humanitarian assistance in Gaza: UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinians.
Second, we note with further concern and sadness that U.S. policy for many years, but particularly since October 2023, has not only contributed to immense humanitarian harm, but has failed when measured against its own declared intent: to contribute to the peace and safety of all in the Middle East, and particularly that of Israel. Rather than using our immense leverage to establish guardrails that can guide Israel towards a lasting and just peace, we have facilitated its self-destructive actions that have deepened its political quagmire and contributed to its enduring global isolation; there is no regional settlement, no agreement with autocratic regimes, no diplomatic step short of the resolution of the Palestinian right to self-determination that can provide Israel with real security.
Third, U.S. policies in this regard have been deeply damaging not only for U.S relations in the region, but for our global credibility, the credibility of U.S. values, and the credibility of the West —a particularly perilous state of affairs in the context of this era of strategic competition. Not only have we inflicted deep and lasting damage to our relations across the region and destabilized the Middle East, but our policies towards Gaza have led us to double-down on our support to brittle regional autocracies as a hedge against public opinion. Meanwhile, on the global stage, who does not see us as hypocrites when the United States condemns Russian war crimes while unconditionally arming and excusing Israel’s? Who does not now laugh when Secretary Blinken describes the “rules based international order” while simultaneously undermining it in favor of Israel?—a tragedy after the decades Americans have spent building that order.
How did it go wrong?
Each of us has had our own experience of the cascading failures of process, leadership, and decision-making that have characterized this Administration’s intransigent response to this continuing calamity. Taken together, these paint a picture of an overlapping and systemic set of problems in this Administration’s policy approach, and a series of warnings that have gone unheeded:
In our collective experience, we have seen for years the silencing of concerns about Israel’s human rights record and the failure of the Oslo process and broader U.S. policy. We have seen debate silenced in government; facts distorted; laws sidestepped and wilfully ignored, even violated; and lawyers working overtime to avoid faithfully implementing the law. We have seen America, in a process turned on its head, rush to arm Israel even as civilians are massacred with U.S. arms, and efforts to share intelligence with Israel that have contributed to this catastrophe. We have seen peaceful protests met with rancid accusations of antisemitism and with violence, while an Administration that previously fought for free speech on college campuses stood by as it was silenced. We have seen unconditional U.S. support for Israeli military operations in Gaza make it impossible to advocate for human rights in the Middle East and lead regional advocates to turn their backs on our diplomats. We have seen a U.S. Government that dehumanizes both Palestinians and Jews, making the former victims of its weapons and the latter scapegoats for its war machine. We have seen an Administration that is willing to lie to Congress, and a Congress that punishes the truth.
Both our individual and common experiences demonstrate an Administration that has prioritized politics over just and fair policymaking; profit over national security; falsehoods over facts; directives over debate; ideology over experience, and special interest over the equal enforcement of the law. The impact of these injustices has resulted in tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian lives taken, reflecting a clear picture to the world of whose lives matter, and whose lives simply do not to United States policy makers. As members of the United States Government, each of us witnessed this abrogation of American values, leading us to resign.
What is to be done?
+ A fundamental principle, and the first step in correcting U.S. policy, is for the Government of the United States to faithfully execute the law. It is abundantly clear that the Administration is currently willfully violating multiple U.S. laws and attempting to deny or distort facts, use loopholes, or manipulate processes to ensure a continuous flow of lethal weapons to Israel. As practically every credible and independent international human rights organization has identified, there have been clear gross violations of human rights by units of the Israeli security forces, dating back well before 2023, that should compel ineligibility determinations under the Leahy Laws. As multiple credible humanitarian aid organizations have identified, Israel has also, and continues to, arbitrarily obstruct U.S.-funded humanitarian assistance, which should trigger a suspension of security assistance under Section 620I of the Foreign Assistance Act. A government that acts above, or around, the laws set by elected legislatures is not a government that is faithful to the Constitution, or to its commitments to the people of these United States.
+ Secondly, we believe the U.S. Government should use all necessary and available leverage to bring the conflict to an immediate close and to achieve the release of all hostages, be they Israelis kidnapped on October 7th, or the thousands of Palestinians, many of them children, sitting uncharged in Israeli administrative detention.
+ Third, we believe the United States should commit the funding and the support needed to ensure an immediate expansion of humanitarian assistance to the people of Gaza, and the reconstruction of that territory—a moral obligation given that the harm and destruction to-date has largely been dealt by American weapons.
+ Fourth, we believe the United States should immediately announce that the policy of the United States will be to support self-determination for the Palestinian people, and an end to military occupation and settlements, including in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
+ Fifth, we believe there is an urgent need for change in the organizational cultures and structures that have enabled the current U.S. approach. This includes the strengthening of oversight and accountability mechanisms within the Executive Branch, greater transparency regarding arms transfers and legal deliberations, an end to the silencing and sidelining of critical voices, and statutory change via the legislative process; we commit to working with the Executive and Legislative branches to detail and pursue such reforms.
+ Finally, we believe freedom of speech is under threat in this country, and we abjure political pressure on colleges and universities in particular that have led to a militarized police response to peaceful protests, and we call upon the U.S. Government, including the Departments of Education and Justice, to take any and all necessary steps to protect free speech and nonviolent protest. Our message to our former colleagues: Your voice matters. We write to you with hope that you will use your positions to amplify calls for peace and hold your respective institution accountable to the violence unfolding in Palestine. We thank those of you who are working day in and day out to press for just and equitable policies that protect all lives. We recognize the systemic obstacles you face, both as you perform your work, and as you consider leaving it. We particularly embrace those of you representing America’s diversity who feel that your voices have been disempowered, ignored, and tokenized. We are with you, and we know that a better way is possible, but only when we are all brave enough to challenge institutions and outdated forces that attempt to silence us. We encourage you to keep pushing. In our experience, no decision point is too minor to challenge, so while you are in government service, use your voice, write letters to leaders in your agencies, and bring up your disagreements with your team. Speaking out has a snowball effect, inspiring others to use their voice. There is strength in numbers, and we urge you to not be complicit. We encourage you to consult with your Inspectors General, with your legal advisors, with appropriate Members of Congress, and via other protected channels, to question the veracity and/or legality of specific actions or policies. There are resources, and you have advocates, including all of us, who can support you in speaking your truth. We close with wisdom from Dr. Martin Luther King in his message about the Vietnam War that resonates today: “the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak … for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.”
May we all have the moral courage to speak and push for a better world, for a better America.
Our message to our former colleagues
Your voice matters. We write to you with hope that you will use your positions to amplify calls for peace and hold your respective institution accountable to the violence unfolding in Palestine. We thank those of you who are working day in and day out to press for just and equitable policies that protect all lives. We recognize the systemic obstacles you face, both as you perform your work, and as you consider leaving it. We particularly embrace those of you representing America’s diversity who feel that your voices have been disempowered, ignored, and tokenized. We are with you, and we know that a better way is possible, but only when we are all brave enough to challenge institutions and outdated forces that attempt to silence us.
We encourage you to keep pushing. In our experience, no decision point is too minor to challenge, so while you are in government service, use your voice, write letters to leaders in your agencies, and bring up your disagreements with your team. Speaking out has a snowball effect, inspiring others to use their voice. There is strength in numbers, and we urge you to not be complicit. We encourage you to consult with your Inspectors General, with your legal advisors, with appropriate Members of Congress, and via other protected channels, to question the veracity and/or legality of specific actions or policies. There are resources, and you have advocates, including all of us, who can support you in speaking your truth.
We close with wisdom from Dr. Martin Luther King in his message about the Vietnam War that resonates today: “the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak … for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.” May we all have the moral courage to speak and push for a better world, for a better America.
 

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A FEW, FAR TOO FEW, ADVENTURERS AND HAMAS-LOVERS IN THE ........EAST????


Opinion | An Annihilation Discourse Has Taken Over Israel
Calls for Israel to launch a nuclear attack on Iran by historian Benny Morris and many others, including those on the left, is the continuation of a strategy of vengeance that would destroy everything. We must take to the streets and protest, while we still can
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A Palestinian woman holding the body of her daughter, killed in an Israeli airstrike in the Maghazi refugee camp, in Gaza last month.Credit: Abdel Kareem Hana/AP

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For years, Israeli historian Benny Morris has been warning about Iran going nuclear.

In September 2021, he wrote in Haaretz: "Time is pressing. The moment Israel must decide between launching a preventive strike and coming to terms with a nuclear Iran and living in its shadow is very near."

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In October 2023, at the beginning of the Israeli maneuvers in Gaza, he wrote: "The timing will never be better [to attack] than it is now," and it's "the only way remaining."

And now he has stated that if Israel can't attack the Iranian nuclear project through conventional means, "then it may not have any option but to resort to its nonconventional capabilities" (Haaretz English, July 1).



In a 2008 article in The New York Times, he proposed an Israeli nuclear attack because "the alternative is letting Tehran have its bomb." At the time, he acknowledged that "in either case, a Middle Eastern nuclear holocaust would be in the cards."

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Observers on the bridge of the USS Mt. McKinley watching a huge cloud mushroom over Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands following an atomic test blast, July 1946.Credit: Jack Rice / AP
Morris didn't say how the use of nuclear weapons would eliminate the Iranian project, but since he doesn't relate to such "trivialities," there is no need to deal with his proposal. It's also unclear why he determined that "Israel can expect reprimands from the international media, the ignorant and mindless youngsters on the campuses and assorted world leaders, but it will also enjoy significant understanding if not active support from many in the international community."



Would breaking the most important international taboo, against the use of nuclear weapons – which hasn't been violated since August 1945 – only lead to a few complaints against Israel? That's a baseless conclusion.

He's also not bothered by the political, diplomatic and military significance of the use of a nuclear weapon, or the fact that no government (whether democratic or authoritarian) has the legitimacy to use such a bomb. There's also an international effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.

Would dropping nuclear bombs on Iran and the elimination of the taboo assure Israel's future? Shouldn't one shudder at the suggestion that such weapons be resorted to?

More disturbing than the "strategic" absurdity of nuking Iran is the outlook that has taken hold of many Israelis that from a diplomatic standpoint, "all is lost" – along with the normalization and legitimization of the annihilation discourse that has taken over a large segment of the public that views itself as left wing. In other words, a moral fissure.



A nuclear Iran is the greatest threat to Israel. Yitzhak Rabin stated that Israel had a window of opportunity to sign peace agreements with its neighbors before the Middle East goes nuclear. There don't appear to be many subjects on which there is a consensus that transcends parties and political movements more than the danger of the nuclearization of the Middle East. Yigal Allon, and Rabin after him, claimed that if there were a real, genuine danger of the "destruction of the Third Temple" (meaning the State of Israel), it would involve the introduction of nuclear weapons into the region. And now Iran has advanced to become a nuclear threshold state on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's watch.

It would be difficult to exaggerate the significance to Israel of a nuclear Iran. And yet, before deciding to deploy bombs, Israel has the capacity – albeit a shrinking one – to influence the international approach in the region. It should play a central role in assembling a coalition with the United States and Arab nations to build a new regional order. Clearly that's not possible under the government of Netanyahu, who recently brought about the cancellation of a meeting between Israel and the United States on the subject after he released a video critical of the Biden administration. (Netanyahu has for years been scuttling nuclear diplomacy efforts against Iran.)

People in the know, such as Ehud Barak, Yisrael Beiteinu leader Avigdor Lieberman and New Hope-United Right head Gideon Sa'ar, have recently made tough predictions in Haaretz. Last month, Yossi Verter quoted Barak as saying: "In six months to a year, Iran will launch a multifront war of attrition – Hamas, Hezbollah, Iraqi militias that will attack the Golan Heights, the Houthis and maybe a third intifada. It will be a war of attrition until collapse and then annihilation."

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Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak at the Labor primary results in May.Credit: Moti Milrod
That's why Netanyahu has to be removed from office through huge protests that would paralyze the country. It's the only way to perhaps prevent a collision with the iceberg. But Morris and others have thrown up their hands and are adopting a policy of annihilation.

The October 7 massacre has done damage to many people's rationality. When Netanyahu declared that Gaza would be turned to rubble, he received legitimacy for it from the Israeli public. Airstrikes over Gaza in the initial days of the war didn't prompt criticism from most of the left. On the contrary, it's only now that former senior figures such as ex-Mossad director Tamir Pardo have been prepared to state publicly that the bombardments were an act of revenge, plain and simple, which actually only further complicated our situation and, to a great extent, foiled our capacity to achieve what we wanted to do.

U.S. President Joe Biden said similar things at the beginning of the war, recounting in December that Netanyahu had told him: "You carpet-bombed Germany. You dropped the atom bomb. A lot of civilians died."

"Yeah," Biden responded. "That's why all these [international] institutions were set up after World War II to see to it that it didn't happen again." People on the left in Israel also needed the vengeance of annihilation that Netanyahu announced and which harmed the interests of those seeking peace in the region. Morris' suggestion that the doomsday weapon be used is a continuation of a strategy of vengeance that would destroy everything.

"Annihilation" has been made legitimate in the Israeli discourse. It's also evidence of Israel's moral decline. It should be rejected. People need to take to the streets and protest.

Adam Raz is a researcher at the Akevot Institute for Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Research. His (Hebrew) book "The Road to October 7: Benjamin Netanyahu, the Production of the Endless Conflict and Israel's Moral Degradation," was published in May.
 

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they got people talking how they support terrorism...they got you doing your best and failing to defend terrorism...
Sorry dude, but if you back Israel you're the one backing terrorism.
Israeli settlers commit way more terrorism than Hamas and were committing way more terrorism in 2023.
Are you against terrorism or just Palestinians?

 
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Sorry dude, but if you back Israel you're the one backing terrorism.
Israeli settlers commit way more terrorism than Hamas and were committing way more terrorism in 2023.
Are you against terrorism or just Palestinians?

Hamas aren't recognized as terrorists...Hamas is...easy to spot the difference... leave the palestinians out of it...
 

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(July 4, 2024 / JNS)
Canadian Member of Parliament Anthony Housefather of the Liberal Party condemned on Wednesday an antisemitic flyer calling him a neo-Nazi and telling him to “get out of Canada.”

Housefather tweeted a photo of the flyer on X. The flyer, taped to a concrete lamppost in Montreal, shows a Nazi flag and an Israeli flag whose Star of David is replaced with a swastika.


Written on the flyer: “Housefather = Neo-Nazi,” “Get out of Canada” and “Zionism = terrorism.” Also written on it were the statements: “Housefather: We helped build this country,” and “We built the autobahn & much more.”

Housefather wrote in his post, “My family has been here since the 19th century and we have indeed helped build this country. I am not going anywhere. Sorry antisemites. You may not like what I have to say but I will keep saying it.”


Housefather told CBC News that he learned of the poster when community members sent him a photo. It wasn’t posted in his district but in a neighboring one.

‘Get out of Canada': Montreal MP targeted with antisemitic flyer - JNS.org
 

shack

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You've never proven any photo or video I've posted is fake, Shazi.
You repeatedly make these accusations and not once have been able to back them up.
They are backed up by the fact that everything you post is a lie. It's a pattern for you.

I've asked you several times: Who took those pictures? When? Where? Who published/posted them.

Easy questions for someone who is legit. You NEVER answer. The logical conclusion is that your pics are phony.
 

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They are backed up by the fact that everything you post is a lie. It's a pattern for you.

I've asked you several times: Who took those pictures? When? Where? Who published/posted them.

Easy questions for someone who is legit. You NEVER answer. The logical conclusion is that your pics are phony.
You've accused me of lying 40 times and never been able to back it up once.
You're weak sauce, Shazi.
Just an old hateful zionist who won't believe what he's turned into.


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40 accusations of lying, 45 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof

 

shack

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You've accused me of lying 40 times and never been able to back it up once.
There's nothing to prove, Geno.

Geno, 1 of us already has a well-earned and deserved reputation of being the biggest liar on TERB. Don't look now, but it's not me. Why don't you start a poll if you don't believe it.

Your accusations and denials hold as much water as a colander.
 

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There's nothing to prove, Geno.

Geno, 1 of us already has a well-earned and deserved reputation of being the biggest liar on TERB. Don't look now, but it's not me. Why don't you start a poll if you don't believe it.

Your accusations and denials hold as much water as a colander.
Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
 
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