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Geno, I need to see more fake images of starved children, not that I believe they are from this conflict. Are you going to stop posting these images?
Shazi, there is an endless supply of photos of dead Palestinian children, even though Israel is trying to stop them from getting out.
There are 15,000 dead kids and another 20,000 missing. I assume there are photos of those missing, but if I posted one a day here it would take about 50 years to get through photos of all those kids zionists have killed in the last 9 months.

Sane people, not Shazis, are building memorials because there are so many dead kids at the hands of zionists.


My only worry posting these pictures is that you're using them to get off, Shazi.
 

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Guns & bombs have not silenced resistance so why will injunctions?
Because the little fuckers will be collected by the cops and charged with contempt of court and placed on bail conditions not to return. And if they flout those conditions, they will just be kept in jail.

And get criminal records that completely block any career plans they might have.

Those good enough reasons?
 

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It's going down. Gonna be some very miffed, overly-entitled kiddies gonna jail on this!!

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Shazi, why are you fixated on this story?
You're the one that posted the picture, Geno.

I'm fixated on exposing how all of your pics are fakes and you constantly lie. Nothing you post can be trusted.

Here we have evidence that your claims of genocide being Israeli policy is total BS. Claims that killing Pali children is hate speech.

Do you have a follow up story about how the soldier was charged with disobeying direct orders. As usual since you have no back up to your lies you attack the messenger and then divert with more BS on a different topic, Geno.
 

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Shazi, there is an endless supply of photos of dead Palestinian children, even though Israel is trying to stop them from getting out.
Proof?
There are 15,000 dead kids and another 20,000 missing.
Unverified numbers of which Hamas or Hamas agencies provide. The UN has already stated Hamas' numbers are widely inflated.
 

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The mother of an 11-year-old Jewish boy brutally assaulted at Belsize Park Tube station has said her 'terrified' family is now considering fleeing Britain following the shocking attack.

The woman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that her son is now 'struggling to sleep' and that he is 'deeply shaken' after being beaten up with his school friends in an incident currently being investigated by police as a hate crime.

Speaking to MailOnline she said: 'There's a lot of support being given by the British Transport Police and the school but my son is very shaken and he's struggling to sleep.


'He keeps asking "why me, why us?" We're British, like everyone else is British.

'And we love this country, and we participate and we contribute but now we're being singled out in exactly the same way as Jews were singled out in 1936 in Berlin.

'And for the first time in my life I am terrified of using the tube. What's going on?'


On Monday evening a group of around 8 year 7 schoolchildren from Hasmonean High School for Boys were physically attacked on the platform of Belsize Park tube station by a gang of slightly older, currently unidentified children.

As the Jewish boys left school they were followed to the station by the assailants who were yelling racial obscenities at the group. This is not the first time they have harassed the Jewish school boys.

Once they reached the tube station the attackers ran in front of the children and tried to push one of the Jewish schoolboys onto the train track before giving up and throwing his skullcap onto the tracjs.

They then charged at another child and kicked him in the knees causing him to collapse.

Finally they elbowed a third child in the face causing his head to smash against the wall - dislodging his tooth.

As they did this the attackers allegedly yelled: 'Get out of this city, Jew'.

Following this violent incident, the distressed mother now fears she may need to escape Britain which she worries may now be unsafe for Jews.

She said: 'It's a serious consideration to leave the country. It's an enormous fear. Will we have to and if so, where are we supposed to go?

'We're from Britain, but what can we do? That being said, the police are being amazing and are taking it all very seriously.'

Students from Hasmonean High School are being encouraged by their school not to wear their school uniforms or any Jewish symbols in public to mitigate the risk of possible anti-semitic violence.

Terrified Jewish mother claims she is contemplating LEAVING Britain after her son was assaulted | Daily Mail Online
 

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Proof?
Unverified numbers of which Hamas or Hamas agencies provide. The UN has already stated Hamas' numbers are widely inflated.
The reported numbers are around 40,000 dead, 16,000 of which are children.
The real numbers will be much higher, Shazi, since the hospitals where bodies are counted are destroyed and 20-50,000 thousand more are 'missing' or buried in rubble.

You have no reason to believe the numbers are lower, and even if you did, its still genocide you're backing.


 

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Because the little fuckers will be collected by the cops and charged with contempt of court and placed on bail conditions not to return. And if they flout those conditions, they will just be kept in jail.

And get criminal records that completely block any career plans they might have.

Those good enough reasons?
That sounds very fascist.
 

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You're the one that posted the picture, Geno.

I'm fixated on exposing how all of your pics are fakes and you constantly lie. Nothing you post can be trusted.

Here we have evidence that your claims of genocide being Israeli policy is total BS. Claims that killing Pali children is hate speech.

Do you have a follow up story about how the soldier was charged with disobeying direct orders. As usual since you have no back up to your lies you attack the messenger and then divert with more BS on a different topic, Geno.
You've never proven any photo or video I've posted is fake, Shazi.
You repeatedly make these accusations and not once have been able to back them up.

Why would I have a story about that IDF soldier being charged for disobeying orders when he was clearly following IDF orders and protocols.


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31 accusations of lying, 45 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof

 

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The reported numbers are around 40,000 dead, 16,000 of which are children.
The real numbers will be much higher, Shazi, since the hospitals where bodies are counted are destroyed and 20-50,000 thousand more are 'missing' or buried in rubble.
Those are Hamas' numbers. They have no credibility in this regard since their goal is to have as many dead civilians as possible to foment outrage against Israel. Of course they're going to inflate the numbers.

You have no reason to believe the numbers are lower,
I have very good reason to do so since the UN reported, a couple of months ago, that the numbers were being overstated.
How the UN Got Away With Wildly Inflating the Casualty Numbers in Gaza—and the Media Bought It (fdd.org)

reported that more than 9,500 women and 14,500 children had been killed so far in Gaza. The office had been reporting similar figures for nearly two months. Yet on May 8, the reported numbers fell to fewer than 5,000 women and 8,000 children—a reduction of more than 11,000 fatalities over all.

The U.N. did not call attention to the change, which was buried in the fine print of one of its numerous updates on Gaza. But a handful of journalists noticed. The first wave of headlines put the U.N. on the defensive: “United Nations halves estimate of women and children killed in Gaza“, “UN revises Gaza death toll,” and more along those lines.
 
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That sounds very fascist.

ELBIT TROUBLES BREWING AT GILLER


Giller Prize juror warns award in peril over sponsor Scotiabank subsidiary’s ties to Israeli weapons company
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With the Scotiabank Giller Prize board of directors set to meet Wednesday afternoon, a jury member for this year’s prize believes the prestigious literary award is in peril over its corporate bank affiliation.
Ethiopian-American novelist Dinaw Mengestu told The Globe and Mail there is strong opposition within the Canadian literary community toward the country’s richest award for fiction because of the investment of a Scotiabank subsidiary in Israel-based defence company Elbit Systems Ltd.
“I think the damage to the reputation that is happening now is already going to be difficult to recover from, and it is growing week by week,” Mr. Mengestu said.
The annual Giller Prize for Canadian novels and short stories was created in 1994 by Montreal businessman Jack Rabinovitch. Scotiabank has been the Giller Prize’s corporate title sponsor since 2005.
Filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission show that Scotiabank subsidiary 1832 Asset Management had a 2.5-per-cent stake in Elbit at the end of March, down from 4.2 per cent at the end of 2023. Scotiabank declined to comment for this story.
On Nov. 13, 2023, at the Four Seasons Hotel in Toronto, anti-Israel protesters disrupted the televised Giller ceremony by mounting the stage while holding signs reading “Scotiabank funds genocide.” Master of ceremonies Rick Mercer attempted to grab one of the signs and some audience members booed. Others, though, walked out as the protesters were escorted from the room and later arrested.
Elana Rabinovitch, executive director of the Giller Prize, issued a statement the next day saying the protesters showed “disrespect to Canadian authors and their literary achievements that were made throughout the year.”
That Giller officials have not publicly addressed the title sponsorship of the $100,000 prize since then is problematic, according to Mr. Mengestu. He is the director of the Center for Ethics and Writing at Bard College in upstate New York and vice-president of PEN America, which champions the freedom to write.
“Silence becomes an invitation for more forceful response from people,” he said. “Writers will come under pressure, and the prize should not let writers be in that difficult position.”
Ms. Rabinovitch, daughter of the late Mr. Rabinovitch, issued a statement to The Globe on Tuesday.

“We have been working hard for some time now on a solution that will support the foundation, the prize and all authors, which will be shared publicly shortly,” the statement read. It went on to say that the Giller Prize would “provide any update that we have” after a Giller board meeting on Wednesday, adding, “we ask that people not construe our silence for endorsement of the status quo. Systems take time to dismantle.”
After last fall’s disrupted gala, Canadian authors launched an online letter in support of the protesters. Among the more than 2,000 signees are Sarah Bernstein, who accepted the 2023 Giller Prize for her novel Study for Obedience, and Erum Shazia Hasan, longlisted for her debut novel We Meant Well.
Both authors withdrew from recent online Giller Book Club events. They later participated in an online book club organized by No Arms in the Arts, a Toronto-based campaign targeting Scotiabank-sponsored arts programs. Ms. Bernstein addressed the issue of arts funding, and the ways writers are paid, “and the ways we are necessarily enmeshed in these systems that we don’t necessarily ethically want to be involved with.”
The Montreal-born, Scotland-based author said that while it was a “difficult decision” to pull out of her Giller Book Club event, she was told that questions from the audience in reference to Palestinians or related protests “might be censored.”
Other signatories to the letter in support of protesters at the Giller Prize ceremony include past winners Omar El Akkad, David Bergen and Sean Michaels, and former jury members including Casey Plett and Waubgeshig Rice.
Mr. Mengestu believes the Giller Prize’s standing is tied to its relationship with the authors. “If you begin to lose the trust and support of the writers who make these prizes viable, and the writers begin to feel like the association with the prize is either against their own values or damaging to their reputation or what they believe is the fundamental role of literature, the legitimacy of the prize quickly begins to come under pressure,” he said.
As a member of this year’s five-person jury panel, Mr. Mengestu receives $10,000. He says the Giller Prize can and needs to exist without Scotiabank.
“I’m not Canadian. I’ll never get this prize, and I’ll probably never have any affiliation with it after this year. My engagement with the Giller Prize is because I’m a writer and I feel deeply about what these awards can do for our culture.”
 
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Those are Hamas' numbers. They have no credibility in this regard since their goal is to have as many dead civilians as possible to foment outrage against Israel. Of course they're going to inflate the numbers.
Why would anyone care what some Shazi says about what is legit or not?
Those numbers are used by Israel, the UN and the world.
They are the best we've got until Israel allows the press and investigators in.


I have very good reason to do so since the UN reported, a couple of months ago, that the numbers were being overstated.
How the UN Got Away With Wildly Inflating the Casualty Numbers in Gaza—and the Media Bought It (fdd.org)

reported that more than 9,500 women and 14,500 children had been killed so far in Gaza. The office had been reporting similar figures for nearly two months. Yet on May 8, the reported numbers fell to fewer than 5,000 women and 8,000 children—a reduction of more than 11,000 fatalities over all.

The U.N. did not call attention to the change, which was buried in the fine print of one of its numerous updates on Gaza. But a handful of journalists noticed. The first wave of headlines put the U.N. on the defensive: “United Nations halves estimate of women and children killed in Gaza“, “UN revises Gaza death toll,” and more along those lines.
No, Shazi, we went over this. The numbers are the same, they just separated the dead brought to hospitals and counted there from other dead.
Those numbers are still very conservative, with tens of thousands missing and buried in rubble.


 

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Why would anyone care what some Shazi says about what is legit or not?
Those numbers are used by Israel, the UN and the world.
They are the best we've got until Israel allows the press and investigators in.




No, Shazi, we went over this. The numbers are the same, they just separated the dead brought to hospitals and counted there from other dead.
Those numbers are still very conservative, with tens of thousands missing and buried in rubble.


COURAGEOUS PEOPLE

JULY 2, 2024Service in Dissent: Joint Statement of U.S. Government Officials Who Have Resigned Over U.S. Policy Towards Gaza, Palestine, and Israel
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We are former U.S. Government Officials who resigned from our respective positions over the last nine months due to our grave concerns with current U.S. policy towards the crisis in Gaza, and U.S. policies and practices towards Palestine and Israel more broadly. We are subject matter experts representing the interagency, and are a multifaith and multiethnic community of professionals and patriots dedicated to the service of the United States of America, its people, and its values. Whether in the civil service, foreign service, armed forces, or as political appointees, each of us has sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and as our nation celebrates its Independence Day, each of us are reminded that we resigned from government not to terminate that oath but to continue to abide by it; not to end our commitment to service, but to extend it.
Alone, we each made the somber and difficult decision to resign based on the individual circumstances we encountered at different times during these past nine months as we performed our specific jobs. But today we stand united in a shared belief that it is our collective responsibility to speak up.
The Administration’s policy in Gaza is a failure and a threat to U.S. national security. America’s diplomatic cover for, and continuous flow of arms to, Israel has ensured our undeniable complicity in the killings and forced starvation of a besieged Palestinian population in Gaza. This is not only morally reprehensible and in clear violation of international humanitarian law and U.S. laws, but it has also put a target on America’s back. This intransigent policy risks U.S. national security and the lives of our service members and diplomats as has already been made evident with the killing of three U.S. service members in Jordan in January and the evacuations of diplomatic facilities in the Middle East, and also poses a security risk for American citizens at home and abroad. Despite this, the Administration’s choices have continued to threaten U.S. interests throughout the region. Our nation’s political and economic interests across the region have also been significantly harmed, while U.S. credibility has been deeply undermined worldwide at a time we need it most, when the world is characterized by a new era of strategic competition.
Critically, this failed policy has not achieved its stated objectives—it has not made Israelis any safer, it has emboldened extremists while it has been devastating for the Palestinian people, ensuring a vicious cycle of poverty and hopelessness, with all the implications of that cycle, for generations to come. As a group of dedicated Americans in service of our country, we insist that there is another way. In this Statement, we describe the current crisis, explain what we have seen, and address the Biden Administration with policy proposals that we, based on our extensive experience in government, believe must be adopted, including to ensure that catastrophic policy failure like this can never happen again. Finally, but with the deepest devotion, we address the thousands of honorable individuals still in government who are struggling on a daily basis with difficult moral and personal choices.
The Current Crisis
U.S. policy choices have begotten a disaster. First and foremost is the catastrophic and rapidly escalating humanitarian crisis that the Israeli government has created for the Palestinian people, for whom the missteps of the ink of American bureaucracy has been paid in the blood of innocent men, women, and children. To date, over 37,000 Palestinians have been killed, the vast majority of civilian and humanitarian infrastructure has been destroyed, thousands of innocent people remain missing under the rubble, and millions continue to face a manufactured famine due to Israel’s arbitrary restrictions on food, water, medicine, and other critical humanitarian goods. Yet, rather than hold the Government of Israel responsible for its role in arbitrarily impeding humanitarian assistance, the U.S. has cut off funding to the single largest provider of humanitarian assistance in Gaza: UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinians.
Second, we note with further concern and sadness that U.S. policy for many years, but particularly since October 2023, has not only contributed to immense humanitarian harm, but has failed when measured against its own declared intent: to contribute to the peace and safety of all in the Middle East, and particularly that of Israel. Rather than using our immense leverage to establish guardrails that can guide Israel towards a lasting and just peace, we have facilitated its self-destructive actions that have deepened its political quagmire and contributed to its enduring global isolation; there is no regional settlement, no agreement with autocratic regimes, no diplomatic step short of the resolution of the Palestinian right to self-determination that can provide Israel with real security.
Third, U.S. policies in this regard have been deeply damaging not only for U.S relations in the region, but for our global credibility, the credibility of U.S. values, and the credibility of the West —a particularly perilous state of affairs in the context of this era of strategic competition. Not only have we inflicted deep and lasting damage to our relations across the region and destabilized the Middle East, but our policies towards Gaza have led us to double-down on our support to brittle regional autocracies as a hedge against public opinion. Meanwhile, on the global stage, who does not see us as hypocrites when the United States condemns Russian war crimes while unconditionally arming and excusing Israel’s? Who does not now laugh when Secretary Blinken describes the “rules based international order” while simultaneously undermining it in favor of Israel?—a tragedy after the decades Americans have spent building that order.
How did it go wrong?
Each of us has had our own experience of the cascading failures of process, leadership, and decision-making that have characterized this Administration’s intransigent response to this continuing calamity. Taken together, these paint a picture of an overlapping and systemic set of problems in this Administration’s policy approach, and a series of warnings that have gone unheeded:
In our collective experience, we have seen for years the silencing of concerns about Israel’s human rights record and the failure of the Oslo process and broader U.S. policy. We have seen debate silenced in government; facts distorted; laws sidestepped and wilfully ignored, even violated; and lawyers working overtime to avoid faithfully implementing the law. We have seen America, in a process turned on its head, rush to arm Israel even as civilians are massacred with U.S. arms, and efforts to share intelligence with Israel that have contributed to this catastrophe. We have seen peaceful protests met with rancid accusations of antisemitism and with violence, while an Administration that previously fought for free speech on college campuses stood by as it was silenced. We have seen unconditional U.S. support for Israeli military operations in Gaza make it impossible to advocate for human rights in the Middle East and lead regional advocates to turn their backs on our diplomats. We have seen a U.S. Government that dehumanizes both Palestinians and Jews, making the former victims of its weapons and the latter scapegoats for its war machine. We have seen an Administration that is willing to lie to Congress, and a Congress that punishes the truth.
Both our individual and common experiences demonstrate an Administration that has prioritized politics over just and fair policymaking; profit over national security; falsehoods over facts; directives over debate; ideology over experience, and special interest over the equal enforcement of the law. The impact of these injustices has resulted in tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian lives taken, reflecting a clear picture to the world of whose lives matter, and whose lives simply do not to United States policy makers. As members of the United States Government, each of us witnessed this abrogation of American values, leading us to resign.
What is to be done?
+ A fundamental principle, and the first step in correcting U.S. policy, is for the Government of the United States to faithfully execute the law. It is abundantly clear that the Administration is currently willfully violating multiple U.S. laws and attempting to deny or distort facts, use loopholes, or manipulate processes to ensure a continuous flow of lethal weapons to Israel. As practically every credible and independent international human rights organization has identified, there have been clear gross violations of human rights by units of the Israeli security forces, dating back well before 2023, that should compel ineligibility determinations under the Leahy Laws. As multiple credible humanitarian aid organizations have identified, Israel has also, and continues to, arbitrarily obstruct U.S.-funded humanitarian assistance, which should trigger a suspension of security assistance under Section 620I of the Foreign Assistance Act. A government that acts above, or around, the laws set by elected legislatures is not a government that is faithful to the Constitution, or to its commitments to the people of these United States.
+ Secondly, we believe the U.S. Government should use all necessary and available leverage to bring the conflict to an immediate close and to achieve the release of all hostages, be they Israelis kidnapped on October 7th, or the thousands of Palestinians, many of them children, sitting uncharged in Israeli administrative detention.
+ Third, we believe the United States should commit the funding and the support needed to ensure an immediate expansion of humanitarian assistance to the people of Gaza, and the reconstruction of that territory—a moral obligation given that the harm and destruction to-date has largely been dealt by American weapons.
+ Fourth, we believe the United States should immediately announce that the policy of the United States will be to support self-determination for the Palestinian people, and an end to military occupation and settlements, including in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
+ Fifth, we believe there is an urgent need for change in the organizational cultures and structures that have enabled the current U.S. approach. This includes the strengthening of oversight and accountability mechanisms within the Executive Branch, greater transparency regarding arms transfers and legal deliberations, an end to the silencing and sidelining of critical voices, and statutory change via the legislative process; we commit to working with the Executive and Legislative branches to detail and pursue such reforms.
+ Finally, we believe freedom of speech is under threat in this country, and we abjure political pressure on colleges and universities in particular that have led to a militarized police response to peaceful protests, and we call upon the U.S. Government, including the Departments of Education and Justice, to take any and all necessary steps to protect free speech and nonviolent protest. Our message to our former colleagues: Your voice matters. We write to you with hope that you will use your positions to amplify calls for peace and hold your respective institution accountable to the violence unfolding in Palestine. We thank those of you who are working day in and day out to press for just and equitable policies that protect all lives. We recognize the systemic obstacles you face, both as you perform your work, and as you consider leaving it. We particularly embrace those of you representing America’s diversity who feel that your voices have been disempowered, ignored, and tokenized. We are with you, and we know that a better way is possible, but only when we are all brave enough to challenge institutions and outdated forces that attempt to silence us. We encourage you to keep pushing. In our experience, no decision point is too minor to challenge, so while you are in government service, use your voice, write letters to leaders in your agencies, and bring up your disagreements with your team. Speaking out has a snowball effect, inspiring others to use their voice. There is strength in numbers, and we urge you to not be complicit. We encourage you to consult with your Inspectors General, with your legal advisors, with appropriate Members of Congress, and via other protected channels, to question the veracity and/or legality of specific actions or policies. There are resources, and you have advocates, including all of us, who can support you in speaking your truth. We close with wisdom from Dr. Martin Luther King in his message about the Vietnam War that resonates today: “the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak … for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.”
May we all have the moral courage to speak and push for a better world, for a better America.
Our message to our former colleagues
Your voice matters. We write to you with hope that you will use your positions to amplify calls for peace and hold your respective institution accountable to the violence unfolding in Palestine. We thank those of you who are working day in and day out to press for just and equitable policies that protect all lives. We recognize the systemic obstacles you face, both as you perform your work, and as you consider leaving it. We particularly embrace those of you representing America’s diversity who feel that your voices have been disempowered, ignored, and tokenized. We are with you, and we know that a better way is possible, but only when we are all brave enough to challenge institutions and outdated forces that attempt to silence us.
We encourage you to keep pushing. In our experience, no decision point is too minor to challenge, so while you are in government service, use your voice, write letters to leaders in your agencies, and bring up your disagreements with your team. Speaking out has a snowball effect, inspiring others to use their voice. There is strength in numbers, and we urge you to not be complicit. We encourage you to consult with your Inspectors General, with your legal advisors, with appropriate Members of Congress, and via other protected channels, to question the veracity and/or legality of specific actions or policies. There are resources, and you have advocates, including all of us, who can support you in speaking your truth.
We close with wisdom from Dr. Martin Luther King in his message about the Vietnam War that resonates today: “the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak … for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.” May we all have the moral courage to speak and push for a better world, for a better America.
 
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